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BumRushDaShow

(145,061 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:45 AM Yesterday

New Orleans attack would've had 'completely different outcome' if steel barriers were used, inventor says

Source: The Guardian

Sat 11 Jan 2025 07.00 EST


The deadly New Year’s Day truck attack in New Orleans “would have had a completely different outcome” if city officials had put out 700lb (317kg) barriers that they bought years earlier and have a track record of preventing intentional vehicle rammings, the blockades’ inventor has told the Guardian.

But the city “did not have a full slate of accessories to help move and deploy” those steel Archer barriers quickly in the way they were designed to be – and how authorities elsewhere have managed to do it, Peter Whitford, the chief executive officer of the Meridian Rapid Defense Group, said in an interview. Though the Archers had stopped a relatively similar ramming attack in California exactly a year earlier, in New Orleans, officials came to regard them as too cumbersome to put out and pick back up, according to prior reporting from the Guardian.

New Orleans emergency preparedness officials therefore stored them away. And they were one of three types of barriers meant to stop motorists from purposely targeting crowds that were missing in action on 1 January when an Islamic State (IS) terror group sympathizer fatally struck 14 people while injuring about 35 others on the city’s famous Bourbon Street.

Whitford late Thursday said the attack and subsequent revelations about why New Orleans chose not to set up its Archers had prompted him and other members of his defense company to travel to the city and personally handle furnishing its public safety establishment with the deployment equipment it evidently lacked.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/11/archer-barriers-new-orleans-truck-attack

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New Orleans attack would've had 'completely different outcome' if steel barriers were used, inventor says (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Yesterday OP
I guess they weren't expecting intentional vehicle attacks IronLionZion Yesterday #1
The Feds had warned cities about vehicle attacks in early December (Dec 6?) because of attacks in Europe. LauraInLA Yesterday #3
Cities might put up more barriers after this IronLionZion 22 hrs ago #8
The truck used comes in two varieties. Igel 21 hrs ago #10
All the news reports said electric Ford F-150 Lightning IronLionZion 20 hrs ago #12
If they ha known Srkdqltr Yesterday #2
Cities had been warned by the Feds in early December after the attacks in Europe. LauraInLA 21 hrs ago #9
I was being a little sarcastic. Most places don't want to believe it could happen...until it does. Srkdqltr 20 hrs ago #13
Governor fail Roy Rolling Yesterday #4
Sounds like "city fail." Igel 20 hrs ago #11
Every sidewalk in the city would have had to have barriers. rickford66 Yesterday #5
There are only a few obvious blocks to protect. yardwork 23 hrs ago #7
I know there exist those temporary concrete barriers for road construction. forgotmylogin Yesterday #6
Criminal negligence hueymahl 19 hrs ago #14

IronLionZion

(47,283 posts)
1. I guess they weren't expecting intentional vehicle attacks
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:49 AM
Yesterday

or an American from Texas to do it.

LauraInLA

(1,437 posts)
3. The Feds had warned cities about vehicle attacks in early December (Dec 6?) because of attacks in Europe.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:03 PM
Yesterday

I believe they had some kind of barriers which had been taken down for repair or something. I honestly feel like cities should have been conscious of this.

IronLionZion

(47,283 posts)
8. Cities might put up more barriers after this
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:07 PM
22 hrs ago

lots of big pickup trucks in America. It can happen anywhere.

I'm uneasy in big crowds for other reasons. But the risk of a truck ramming into a crowd is yet another thing to worry about.

Igel

(36,350 posts)
10. The truck used comes in two varieties.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:52 PM
21 hrs ago

One is ICE.

The other is EV.

The EV version weighs something like 30% more than the ICE version.

The rental chosen by the killer, who may have been a fanatic but wasn't entirely stupid, was the ICE version.

The more mass at a given speed, the harder it is to stop. I mean, high school physics kids have learned this since I was in HS physics in '75. If I wanted to smash crap with a vehicle, I'd go for heavy.

As a bonus, if you damage the battery just right you can get it to catch on fire--and battery fires are hard to extinguish because those Li+ cells want to release their energy. So there's always that. I wonder if his Air BnB had a charging station or if he'd charged it recently.

IronLionZion

(47,283 posts)
12. All the news reports said electric Ford F-150 Lightning
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:37 PM
20 hrs ago

Where did you see that it wasn't the EV version?

Srkdqltr

(7,825 posts)
2. If they ha known
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:00 AM
Yesterday

They could have had trash trucks or other large trucks to block the ends of the street and the sidewalk. If they had known.

Srkdqltr

(7,825 posts)
13. I was being a little sarcastic. Most places don't want to believe it could happen...until it does.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:38 PM
20 hrs ago

Roy Rolling

(7,227 posts)
4. Governor fail
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:43 PM
Yesterday

The new governor took office Jan 2024 and sent state police into New Orleans to fight crime.

After tons of PR about how crime had been eliminated they forgot to do their job.

He took the authority to send police, he didn’t take responsibility for success, just TV coverage for sending them.

His first mission in 2024 was to send National Guard troops to babysit Gov Abbott of Texas at the Mexico border—800 miles away from Louisiana.

New Orleans could’ve used those troops and expertise. There’s danger in Louisiana. The most dangerous place is between Gov. Jeff Landry and a TV camera.

Igel

(36,350 posts)
11. Sounds like "city fail."
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:01 PM
20 hrs ago

This wasn't a decision by the NOPD. It was done by the NOHSEP.

Unless you want the governor to take full control over all preparations for everything in NOLA because you think the mayor and civilian city government there are so incompetent that a (R) governor can do better and must do more than send in some state troopers to help patrol.

Personally, I think the police probably did okay. (Although some are criticizing them because they shot the killer when video shows they didn't need to; a police review cleared them and properly so, I think. The only drawback is that they can't interrogate him and find out if he had contacts in Egypt or Montreal, where he'd visited in the previous year.)

rickford66

(5,725 posts)
5. Every sidewalk in the city would have had to have barriers.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:48 PM
Yesterday

Any where a pedestrian could be hit by a vehicle, hence practically everywhere.

yardwork

(64,926 posts)
7. There are only a few obvious blocks to protect.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:24 PM
23 hrs ago

Bourbon Street, a few other places where tourists gather.

But yes, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback and say coulda shoulda woulda. People intent on creating chaos find ways.

forgotmylogin

(7,701 posts)
6. I know there exist those temporary concrete barriers for road construction.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:56 PM
Yesterday

In my brain, I'm wondering if several rows of of regular cinderblocks laid out on a road strategically in a grid would serve to stop or slow a speeding vehicle. They're not huge, but seems they would act like caltrops and cause axle and tire damage if someone tried to speed through them.

hueymahl

(2,678 posts)
14. Criminal negligence
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:44 PM
19 hrs ago

The NOLA leadership should be fired for their utter incompetence. The deaths are on their heads.

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