Oath Keepers leader is a former Las Vegas police detective who welcomed 'race war': Report
Source: The Independent
Tuesday 07 January 2025 01:22 GMT
A man allegedly in control of a Utah-based spinoff of the far-right anti-government Oath Keepers group is reportedly a former Las Vegas police detective who once spoke approvingly of a coming race war and revolution inside the U.S. Robert Bobby Kinch has been listed as state leader of Oath Keepers Utah, and is president of a company called Northbridge Patriots LLC, which has held the trademarks for Oath Keepers USA since May 2023, The Guardian reports.
The information about Kinch emerged after an unnamed individual spent years infiltrating far-right groups throughout the Western U.S., including visiting Kinchs home in the Utah mountains. The Distributed Denial of Secrets whistleblower coalition provided chat logs and other files to the outlet.
The infiltrator reportedly photographed plaques commemorating Kinchs police service, a membership certificate for the Utah Oath Keepers listing Kinch as state leader, and an Ernest Hemingway quote on a plaque reading, Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter.
The individual also claimed Kinch had a stockpile of weapons and shelf-stable food. The Independent has contacted Kinch for comment. Kinch was a longtime officer in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.
Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/oath-keepers-robert-kinch-police-b2674788.html
Mike Niendorff
(3,570 posts)That whole "hunters becoming the hunted" thing? -- well, apparently that works both ways.
Nice work to all those who outed this piece of shit.
MDN
BlueMTexpat
(15,506 posts)this article is at least partly based on is absolutely terrifying!
See https://www.propublica.org/article/ap3-oath-keepers-militia-mole
Drum
(9,965 posts)Marthe48
(19,582 posts)Why can't they nurse their hatred under a rock? On another planet.
Buddyzbuddy
(145 posts)We can't hit what we can't see.
Marthe48
(19,582 posts)Unfortunately.
ck4829
(36,204 posts)Because all I see is a government that handles them with kid gloves.
Frank D. Lincoln
(696 posts)If this small subset of white Americans are so obsessed with causing a race war to get rid of people of color, if they're that obsessed with their whiteness and living in a country entirely of white people, then why don't they just emigrate to a country in Europe that's all-white or virtually all white? They would be a lot happier and America would be rid of them. A win-win.
That is particularly infuriating because America originally consisted of people of color (Native Americans) before white Europeans came here and took the country over. But now all these years later a small subset of the descendants of these white Europeans want to start a race war to get rid of people of color. Oh, the irony.
yardwork
(64,926 posts)The entire U.S. mythology is built around a fantasy. It's a fantasy designed to cover up the actual facts.
This legend tells that white men and their families were sent to America by God in order to build a special, wonderful nation. Using only their strength and the power of God, these white men hacked their way through a dangerous wilderness and built homes, farms, and a nation. They did this as rugged individualists, with no help from government.
You can see (1) how this myth is designed to cover up the actual facts of genocide, enslavement, indentured servitude, etc., and (2) how this myth keeps people from accepting the idea of government as a coalition of people working together. "Rugged individualists" don't want that.
We can see how this myth leads straight to Trump. Or, rather, how the people who wrote Trump's scripts used our mythology against us.
oasis
(51,842 posts)Frank D. Lincoln
(696 posts)Regarding Trump and the 2024 presidential election, there were definitely racial overtones. Undoubtedly many people viewed it symbolically as people of color (Kamala Harris) versus white people (Donald Trump) or as a contest between a multi-racial, egalitarian society and a white supremacist society.
For the above reason, I think we lost the presidential election as soon as Biden stepped aside and immediately endorsed Harris. That apparently resulted in many of the people who voted for Biden in 2020 not voting for Harris in 2024.
With Barack Obama being an anomaly, it seems clear that Americans prefer to have a white man to lead our nation. Even if it means a white man totally unfit for public office versus a black woman who was pretty close to an ideal presidential candidate (though gender was also a factor, of course).
yardwork
(64,926 posts)Obama's elections showed that racists will vote for a Black man if they think it will help their pocketbooks. Many Americans don't have a lot of respect for the government (rugged individualists don't need government), so they don't really care if the person is "qualified" in the sense that matters to those of us who understand what the position requires. That's why they don't care that Trump is a fool - as long as he lowers taxes and eliminates gubmint regulation, they're cool with that.
Likewise, I think Americans would vote for a woman, including a woman of color, but only if they felt confident that she would help their pocketbooks.
Their big fear is that liberals (whom they've been taught to think are weak fools) will "destroy" America with "woke" stuff that weakens us. Clearly, many Americans feared that Harris would do that. Her gender and ethnicity were already suspect, and the GOP ads of her defending trans rights were the last straw. Facts didn't matter. The news media (and probably Biden himself) did a poor job informing Americans of what was actually happening. All they saw were higher prices and "woke" multicultural talk from the Democrats. "We're stronger together" doesn't resonate with racists who believe in the rugged individualist myth.
Our first female president will probably be a Republican whose policies are worse than Trump's.
Elessar Zappa
(16,218 posts)As Ive said on other posts, his internal polling was terrible. He was down double digits in NM and NV and losing NJ. The debate performance killed his political viability.
Frank D. Lincoln
(696 posts)Biden, being personally aware of internal polling at that time, should have immediately stepped aside when first asked and NOT endorsed Kamala Harris, creating the opportunity for another Democratic primary (which admittedly would have had to happen extremely quickly) that would have likely produced a more electable Democratic ticket. This is what Nancy Pelosi, who didn't want Harris to be the nominee, was trying to make happen, but when Biden waited so long to finally step aside and when he followed that up with that quick endorsement of Harris, that set things up to happen the way they did.
From the Mitch McConnell controlled Senate not convicting and removing Trump from public office after Trump's second impeachment for inciting J6, to Merrick Garland waiting too long to appoint a special counsel, to SCOTUS slow-walking Jack Smith's court case against Trump, to Biden's atrocious debate performance, to two apparent assassination attempts on Trump's life, to Biden's delay in stepping aside, to Biden's quick endorsement of Kamala Harris who went on to lose the election, to Elon Musk jumping in and using his immense wealth to help Trump win, it seems to me that we were just fated to get the election result we did.
Rest in peace, American democracy. You will be sorely missed.