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BumRushDaShow

(145,065 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 07:31 AM Tuesday

Oath Keepers leader is a former Las Vegas police detective who welcomed 'race war': Report

Source: The Independent

Tuesday 07 January 2025 01:22 GMT


A man allegedly in control of a Utah-based spinoff of the far-right anti-government Oath Keepers group is reportedly a former Las Vegas police detective who once spoke approvingly of a coming “race war” and “revolution” inside the U.S. Robert “Bobby” Kinch has been listed as state leader of Oath Keepers Utah, and is president of a company called Northbridge Patriots LLC, which has held the trademarks for Oath Keepers USA since May 2023, The Guardian reports.

The information about Kinch emerged after an unnamed individual spent years infiltrating far-right groups throughout the Western U.S., including visiting Kinch’s home in the Utah mountains. The Distributed Denial of Secrets whistleblower coalition provided chat logs and other files to the outlet.

The infiltrator reportedly photographed plaques commemorating Kinch’s police service, a membership certificate for the Utah Oath Keepers listing Kinch as “state leader,” and an Ernest Hemingway quote on a plaque reading, “Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter.”

The individual also claimed Kinch had a stockpile of weapons and shelf-stable food. The Independent has contacted Kinch for comment. Kinch was a longtime officer in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/oath-keepers-robert-kinch-police-b2674788.html

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Oath Keepers leader is a former Las Vegas police detective who welcomed 'race war': Report (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Tuesday OP
Wow, who knew. Mike Niendorff Tuesday #1
The ProPublica report BlueMTexpat Tuesday #2
Thanks for that link. Drum Tuesday #3
Why are these terrorist groups out in the open? Marthe48 Tuesday #4
Better to have them out in the open. Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #13
We aren't hitting them Marthe48 Tuesday #14
When does the hitting start? ck4829 Tuesday #15
Race War. Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #5
Because they believe that God gave America to white men. yardwork Tuesday #6
Enlightening post. oasis Tuesday #7
Thanks. yardwork Tuesday #12
Manifest Destiny? Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #9
I think there are a lot of different currents at work. yardwork Tuesday #11
Biden would have done worse than Harris. Elessar Zappa Tuesday #16
Well if that's the case, then Frank D. Lincoln Tuesday #17
How many women, poc, lgbtq+ , immigrants investigations he bungled "accidentally"? Clouds Passing Tuesday #8
Hemingway hunted himself. And shot his prey. NM Grins Tuesday #10

Mike Niendorff

(3,570 posts)
1. Wow, who knew.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:23 AM
Tuesday

That whole "hunters becoming the hunted" thing? -- well, apparently that works both ways.

Nice work to all those who outed this piece of shit.


MDN

Marthe48

(19,582 posts)
4. Why are these terrorist groups out in the open?
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 09:16 AM
Tuesday

Why can't they nurse their hatred under a rock? On another planet.

ck4829

(36,204 posts)
15. When does the hitting start?
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:43 PM
Tuesday

Because all I see is a government that handles them with kid gloves.

Frank D. Lincoln

(696 posts)
5. Race War.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 09:42 AM
Tuesday

If this small subset of white Americans are so obsessed with causing a race war to get rid of people of color, if they're that obsessed with their whiteness and living in a country entirely of white people, then why don't they just emigrate to a country in Europe that's all-white or virtually all white? They would be a lot happier and America would be rid of them. A win-win.

That is particularly infuriating because America originally consisted of people of color (Native Americans) before white Europeans came here and took the country over. But now all these years later a small subset of the descendants of these white Europeans want to start a race war to get rid of people of color. Oh, the irony.

yardwork

(64,926 posts)
6. Because they believe that God gave America to white men.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:01 AM
Tuesday

The entire U.S. mythology is built around a fantasy. It's a fantasy designed to cover up the actual facts.

This legend tells that white men and their families were sent to America by God in order to build a special, wonderful nation. Using only their strength and the power of God, these white men hacked their way through a dangerous wilderness and built homes, farms, and a nation. They did this as rugged individualists, with no help from government.

You can see (1) how this myth is designed to cover up the actual facts of genocide, enslavement, indentured servitude, etc., and (2) how this myth keeps people from accepting the idea of government as a coalition of people working together. "Rugged individualists" don't want that.

We can see how this myth leads straight to Trump. Or, rather, how the people who wrote Trump's scripts used our mythology against us.

Frank D. Lincoln

(696 posts)
9. Manifest Destiny?
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:34 AM
Tuesday

Regarding Trump and the 2024 presidential election, there were definitely racial overtones. Undoubtedly many people viewed it symbolically as people of color (Kamala Harris) versus white people (Donald Trump) or as a contest between a multi-racial, egalitarian society and a white supremacist society.

For the above reason, I think we lost the presidential election as soon as Biden stepped aside and immediately endorsed Harris. That apparently resulted in many of the people who voted for Biden in 2020 not voting for Harris in 2024.

With Barack Obama being an anomaly, it seems clear that Americans prefer to have a white man to lead our nation. Even if it means a white man totally unfit for public office versus a black woman who was pretty close to an ideal presidential candidate (though gender was also a factor, of course).

yardwork

(64,926 posts)
11. I think there are a lot of different currents at work.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 01:13 PM
Tuesday

Obama's elections showed that racists will vote for a Black man if they think it will help their pocketbooks. Many Americans don't have a lot of respect for the government (rugged individualists don't need government), so they don't really care if the person is "qualified" in the sense that matters to those of us who understand what the position requires. That's why they don't care that Trump is a fool - as long as he lowers taxes and eliminates gubmint regulation, they're cool with that.

Likewise, I think Americans would vote for a woman, including a woman of color, but only if they felt confident that she would help their pocketbooks.

Their big fear is that liberals (whom they've been taught to think are weak fools) will "destroy" America with "woke" stuff that weakens us. Clearly, many Americans feared that Harris would do that. Her gender and ethnicity were already suspect, and the GOP ads of her defending trans rights were the last straw. Facts didn't matter. The news media (and probably Biden himself) did a poor job informing Americans of what was actually happening. All they saw were higher prices and "woke" multicultural talk from the Democrats. "We're stronger together" doesn't resonate with racists who believe in the rugged individualist myth.

Our first female president will probably be a Republican whose policies are worse than Trump's.

Elessar Zappa

(16,218 posts)
16. Biden would have done worse than Harris.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:53 PM
Tuesday

As I’ve said on other posts, his internal polling was terrible. He was down double digits in NM and NV and losing NJ. The debate performance killed his political viability.

Frank D. Lincoln

(696 posts)
17. Well if that's the case, then
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 05:55 PM
Tuesday

Biden, being personally aware of internal polling at that time, should have immediately stepped aside when first asked and NOT endorsed Kamala Harris, creating the opportunity for another Democratic primary (which admittedly would have had to happen extremely quickly) that would have likely produced a more electable Democratic ticket. This is what Nancy Pelosi, who didn't want Harris to be the nominee, was trying to make happen, but when Biden waited so long to finally step aside and when he followed that up with that quick endorsement of Harris, that set things up to happen the way they did.

From the Mitch McConnell controlled Senate not convicting and removing Trump from public office after Trump's second impeachment for inciting J6, to Merrick Garland waiting too long to appoint a special counsel, to SCOTUS slow-walking Jack Smith's court case against Trump, to Biden's atrocious debate performance, to two apparent assassination attempts on Trump's life, to Biden's delay in stepping aside, to Biden's quick endorsement of Kamala Harris who went on to lose the election, to Elon Musk jumping in and using his immense wealth to help Trump win, it seems to me that we were just fated to get the election result we did.

Rest in peace, American democracy. You will be sorely missed.

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