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LastLiberal in PalmSprings

(13,008 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 05:38 PM Monday

Trump says U.S. may turn to allies for shipbuilding efforts

Source: Yonhap News Agency

WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 (Yonhap) -- U.S. President Donald Trump said Monday that the United States may use allies in its efforts to build naval vessels, amid expectations that his second administration might seek cooperation with South Korea's shipbuilding industry after taking office later this month.

Trump made the remarks in an interview on the Hugh Hewitt Show, a conservative radio program, amid calls for America to bolster its shipbuilding capacity amid an intensifying rivalry with China. China is known to have over 230 times the shipbuilding capacity of the U.S.

During a call with now-impeached President Yoon Suk Yeol in November, Trump said the U.S. seeks to work with South Korea in the shipbuilding industry, particularly in naval shipbuilding, exports, repairs and maintenance, Yoon's office has said.

"We are going to do something with ships. We need ships and we may have to go a different route than you would normally go," Trump said.

Read more: https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20250107000351315



What happened to "Proudly Made in America"? And all the good union jobs that are going to be shipped overseas?

Trump lied. Surprise! Surprise!
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Trump says U.S. may turn to allies for shipbuilding efforts (Original Post) LastLiberal in PalmSprings Monday OP
I assume this involves a plan to skim some of the money JoseBalow Monday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Monday #10
That's the nice thing about ships JoseBalow Monday #11
Yes. Sorry, I accidentally deleted my post. brush Monday #12
I would guarantee there's a plan to shovel massive amounts of money into his donors' pockets. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Monday #20
Every potential defense contract is an opportunity to squeeze an ally for something Trump wants. (besides a kickback) LudwigPastorius Monday #21
None of our allies are going to participate in anything with us if he keeps pissing them off like this. Walleye Monday #2
Could definitely be a way to make more ships Unladen Swallow Monday #3
he's an idiot Snoopy 7 Tuesday #34
Actually this isn't one of his scams jgmiller Monday #4
We still have several places angrychair Monday #17
Yup lonely bird Monday #23
There's an even worse loss. Shipwack Tuesday #31
What allies, once he takes office. Buddyzbuddy Monday #5
Agree, you have named three countries that will be the republianmushroom Monday #14
What allies? Sanity Claws Monday #6
Ummmm SARose Monday #7
What the Hell, he is not president. TNNurse Monday #8
"We are going to do something with ships" maxrandb Monday #9
We have weak capacity. Igel Monday #13
It may be a temporary solution but the need to build up national capacity so we have the know-how, summer_in_TX Tuesday #28
This is pure bullshit angrychair Monday #15
We will be lucky to have allies by Feb 1 relayerbob Monday #16
What makes him think Figarosmom Monday #18
LOL. Allies? Well, we'll have at least russia and north korea as reliable allies. PSPS Monday #19
So- Iran, North Korea, China and Russia? mahina Monday #22
Doing so for US Navy ships would involve breaching national security, not that DJT is a strange to that. Ford_Prefect Monday #24
maga outsourcee good union shipyard jobs rampartd Monday #25
Yes, because outsourcing worked so well with our space program. Hope22 Monday #26
We did apparently outsouce the presidency Miguelito Loveless Tuesday #37
I wonder if Bath Iron Works will remain viable. OAITW r.2.0 Monday #27
Why not china Donald Historic NY Tuesday #29
"...a different route than you would normally go," dchill Tuesday #30
So much for America first iemanja Tuesday #32
But the price of eggs.... Old Crank Tuesday #33
General Dynamics LizfromRI Tuesday #35
Which allies? Miguelito Loveless Tuesday #36

Response to JoseBalow (Reply #1)

20. I would guarantee there's a plan to shovel massive amounts of money into his donors' pockets.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:04 PM
Monday

Building ships on the other side of the world is a license to steal. There would be absolutely no meaningful oversight, so the operation would be rife with corruption from day one.

LudwigPastorius

(11,245 posts)
21. Every potential defense contract is an opportunity to squeeze an ally for something Trump wants. (besides a kickback)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:10 PM
Monday

There is no such thing as a win-win deal in Trump's rotting brain.

Walleye

(36,714 posts)
2. None of our allies are going to participate in anything with us if he keeps pissing them off like this.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:00 PM
Monday

Great piss off our allies and then get them to build a US Navy ship. What could possibly go wrong?

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
3. Could definitely be a way to make more ships
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:01 PM
Monday

in a shorter amount of time. Parallel manufacturing in multiple nations at once maybe? The Navy will remain hyper-critical in the next 25 years.

Snoopy 7

(602 posts)
34. he's an idiot
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 06:35 AM
Tuesday

putin gave him a ball with a listing device, so whoever builds the ship will, not can but will, install listening and tracking devices thru out the ship. No they won't be able to locate them. The guy with the blond squirl on his head doesn't care it's exactly like everyone believes it's the GRIFT for his self enrichment and nothing more.

jgmiller

(455 posts)
4. Actually this isn't one of his scams
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:01 PM
Monday

This is him trying to take credit for something he didn't do, so par for the course just on a different angle.

Biden allowed a South Korean company to purchase the company that took over part of the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard so that they could improve it and increase capacity. The Navy has been talking about using South Korean yards for over a year as well.

Unfortunately when the cold war ended and we rushed head long into closing bases we also closed shipyards. Closing an army or air force base is a big deal but in the end it's just flat land, if you need to build a new one of those bases there is plenty of land especially in the west where you can do it. A shipyard is an entirely different animal, you need a port on a bay and the last time I checked we've built up cities and marinas around pretty much every port in the US. So when they closed Long Beach, Hunter's Point, Mare Island and the Philadelphia Navy Yard we lost most of that capacity. That doesn't just mean the ability to build new ships, it means the ability to repair existing ones as well. Right now on the West coast the navy can only drydock carriers in Bremeton, WA for instance.

It was a stupid shortsighted decision and one you can't go back from unless you take all that land back but nobody is going to do that.

angrychair

(9,949 posts)
17. We still have several places
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:04 PM
Monday

All over the country. From San Diego California to Newport News Virginia and everything inbetween.
The smaller ones for the Coast Guard, Navy and Army can be built in Mississippi or Louisiana or Connecticut. Not counting the Naval shipyards in Virginia and Washington.
So we do have the capacity
It's skilled labor and the transitory nature of the trades that can hurt us.

Shipwack

(2,364 posts)
31. There's an even worse loss.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 01:22 AM
Tuesday

When a shipyard closes you lose a lot of skilled specialized labor.

That's why we still have two companies building submarines, even though we could get by with one, given our current rate of production.

Well, that and safety in not having all our eggs in one basket.

SARose

(960 posts)
7. Ummmm
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:22 PM
Monday

How many ship building employees are undocumented or here under asylum?

How do you build a ship with no one to weld? Asking for a friend…

maxrandb

(16,051 posts)
9. "We are going to do something with ships"
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:28 PM
Monday

equals - "I have no fucking idea what I am taking about".

Scratch that! It's not just building ships that he has no fucking clue about.

Actually, this might be a great idea.

Send Hegseth to Wanwol-dong in Busan and he'll get so drunk we may never see him again.

Igel

(36,353 posts)
13. We have weak capacity.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:13 PM
Monday

And when we build, there are meaningful delays and large cost overruns.

SK has capacity.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2024/february/united-states-must-improve-its-shipbuilding-capacity

They probably also don't have the same delay and cost overrun issues, either.

summer_in_TX

(3,351 posts)
28. It may be a temporary solution but the need to build up national capacity so we have the know-how,
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 12:13 AM
Tuesday

skills, and manpower to build ships here seems to me to be very much a national security concern.

We lost capacity after World War I that slowed us down and hurt us in the early part of WWII.

angrychair

(9,949 posts)
15. This is pure bullshit
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:53 PM
Monday

By law all ships have to be made in America and with only American sourced parts.
Also I have a feeling that Republicans controlled states like Louisiana and Mississippi might have a word. Not to mention California, Washington, Connecticut and Virginia. Not to mention that some ships source their parts from all 50 states.

Not to mention that some parts only have a single source and without orders for that part with go out of business and then we won't have a source for that part.

Figarosmom

(3,639 posts)
18. What makes him think
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:50 PM
Monday

The allies will do anything for us?

I'm guessing that he's saying yeah we will continue to protect you for ship's. Pay up. Extortion plain and simple. Yet I'll bet it will be spun as deal making

PSPS

(14,218 posts)
19. LOL. Allies? Well, we'll have at least russia and north korea as reliable allies.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:04 PM
Monday

Our former allies will be too busy reinforcing their own fleets.

Hope22

(3,239 posts)
26. Yes, because outsourcing worked so well with our space program.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:54 PM
Monday

Maybe we could outsource our president. We would have a better chance of finding a sane one!

OAITW r.2.0

(28,888 posts)
27. I wonder if Bath Iron Works will remain viable.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:58 PM
Monday

They've been building cutting edge Destroyer technology for 100 years.

LizfromRI

(4 posts)
35. General Dynamics
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 06:43 AM
Tuesday

My son works for General Dynamics. He always says he's surrounded by idiots at work. They are all MAGAs so he basically has to hold his tongue and it's been very stressful these last few months. RI would be devastated if we lose those high paying jobs. General Dynamics in RI is not unionized. Makes me sick that the idiot MAGAs are going to bring us all down with them.

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