Turnabout is fair play.

It's not going anywhere, but whatever illegitimacy can be rubbed into Trump, have at it.

They have already been tried, convicted, and jailed for their crimes against our country.

With Putin, is just one example.

Just look at all our top secret agents that disappeared in Russia. Anybody who would allow our
top secret agents to be killed for no more than "brownie points" with Putin does not belong in
the Oval Office, more deserving of a firing squad, you reap what you sow.

...the classification process catalogues all classified documents. If the archive doesn't have them, he (or any of his co-conspirators) does.

Will we ever find out? Astounding and infuriating that he has gotten away with so much. And he gets Round 2. I can't forgive the Trump voters. Just can't..

convicted for their crimes against our country, no?

I haven't kept up with all the course cases.

As far as trying to overthrow the government or granting aid and comfort tot he enemy.

they he committed the offense and enforces the law?

Several states have also made this determination. US attorneys and the DOJ via their prosecutions, also have.

Or does SCOTUS get involved and do it formally? I am unaware of the process.

It's either a rule that is enforced by a constitutional body or not. Meaning our constitutional bodies either allow him to become president or they don't. Congress, as the body that certifies results, has this authority.

to prevent the ascension of traitors to political power. The rules were broad but clear, and enforceable by Congress by 2/3 vote. SCOTUS thinks they scuttled the mechanism, but the language is plain as day. Getting anyone to listen to it is another matter. It's almost like a mini, lightning impeachment for insurrectionists. That's why Republicans are trying to whitewash it all so fast.

So there's something there. Didn't Raskin seem to think it was pursuable?

Political masturbation.

Democrats should make this an issue, but no one in party wants to play in the mud. We need to stop bringing a water gun to a bazooka fight.

... see no reason why trDUMP should be an exception.

.... is an important entry for the history books. Not all thought trDUMP 2.0 was a good idea because of the damage djt would inflict on America.

Respect to everyone involved. I will be involved when it’s our time here in geezerville, SoCal.
Resist in every peaceful way possible, and demand our Congress Critters do the same with volume and enthusiasm.

What the MFer did must never be normalized -- we need to hit them with this at every opportunity, before and after the coronation. Every time His Magasty the Burger King fucks people over, we need to remind them that he shouldn't be in that office in the first place.

These people are just going to look like a less violent form of the Jan 6th rioters.
Plus, the SCOTUS already ruled on this back during the ballot removal cases.
He's taking office. Now we focus on stopping his stupid agenda & winning the House in '26

In fact, during the Reconstruction era, it was common for the Army of Occupation Administrators for various political districts to exclude candidates from the ballot and for the US Senate, the US House to either prevent candidates from taking their seats, or lumping them together in an up or down vote. This occurred until about 1905.

Clearly 14A gave clear sailing to prevent insurrectionists and those in rebellion against the USA to be excluded by whatever means a succeeding generation created within the Amendment. SCOTUS trying to toss 14A Section 3 is crazy.

Our standard today is that you need to be convicted of something, None of this will stop it.
We had 2 years to charge & convict this moron & didnt do it. He's taking office. And all the carnival antics will look at dumb as it did in 2017

Can't unsee, even if SCOTUS wears blinders.

Are the circumstances such that we should go to the extreme of overturning an election result?

If we play this card, we have to anticipate how the other team will play it in the future. It could get very un-democratic...

Biden & Harris are signaling peaceful transfer. Raskin & Schiff are signaling to use any legal means possible to block him. The voters have signaled that at best they're split on the matter.

They ruled that a state (Colorado) doesn't have the authority to exclude him from a ballot -- that the U.S. Congress needed to enforce the 14th. And that's exactly what these protesters are asking for.

... lest anyone forget that.

during his second impeachment. The charge was inciting insurrection and a majority of both houses found that he did so.

SCOTUS says Congress needs to vote onit. Well, they already have. Too bad SCOTUS is nakedly partisan.

Which is 67 votes.

... and if the intent was that a conviction of any kind was required, it could have said exactly that with very few words.

It should have said those convicted of sedition.

Not sure that it carries over to this congress

who will try to get it to go violent. And they may very well succeed.

and frightening thought.

Jan 20.


I can dream.

I'd settle for a cold rain with wind. Of course, T**** would just make them do the inauguration indoors since he doesn't want to get his makeup wet.

How fucking embarrassing THAT would be for trump when she outdrew him by 10s of THOUSANDS

The protesting opportunity was the November 5, 2024 general election. And that failed, so here we are.

I think at this point going to the streets is too late. Best to try influencing Congress to push back on the felon’s bullcrap actions. We also need to turn Congress around in 2026, that is, if we are allowed to vote again!

Tomorrow is January 6th, when Congress certifies the election.

Trump is inarguably an insurrectionist. Either they do not certify him, or they remove the disability by a 2/3rds vote per the constitution. Not following the constitution will just create more ways in which Trump and others can skirt it in the future.

...it's too bad that SCROTUS ruled against Colorado, then 5 of them (Barrett disagreed/or voted and then wrote a dissent, if I remember right) turned around and pulled out of thin air the congressional requirement to enforce the 14th Amendment, Section 3.

If anything, they should've highlighted that they did NOT disagree with the Colorado Supreme Court's finding and the lower courts finding that he did engage in insurrection. They should've said he can be on the ballot, but he would not be allowed to take office according to the 14th amendment.

However, it is better for Democrats and the country if T**** is sworn in as the lamest of lame ducks, instead of Vance who could run again in 2028. I hope by 2026 the GOP is polling just above a plugged toilet in time for the midterms.

It is hard for a VP to run and win after a President's term. Only George HW Bush (and Biden-although he put a 4 year gap in there) have done so over the last 100 years or so.

And if they cannot pass that threshold, he cannot be president.

Why? Because the 14th says nothing about being on state ballots, only that he can't take office. Maybe that's why that part of the ruling was 9-0.

This whole situation with Trump is bonkers

There will be extreme desperate actions.

Which ones, Newsweek?

https://wtop.com/local/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/

https://www.popville.com/

although that group was explicitly protesting 45 and the need to use the 14th Amendment Sect. 3.

We know invoking that Amendment/section actually worked for booting good old Couy Griffin in NM (at least for the state) and the SCOTUS actually upheld it. But it seems it would be an impossible hurdle to apply to 45 because of a bunch of nonsensical insistence that the President wasn't "an officer of the government" or some other such assertion.

All valid votes would be counted. Votes for an insurrectionist are not valid per the 14th amendment.

That is not enough to be elected.

Congress has the authority to not certify his electoral votes.

it goes to the House of Representatives, where each state is given one vote.

Vance or Harris? That's a whole new argument.

They are saying that Congress must, per the Constitution, follow the 14th amendment and refuse to count any of the electors votes for Trump, thus leaving Harris as the next president

Which is totally a viable thing but would require Republicans to admit Trump is an insurrectionist...

No way would any if Harris becomes President.

So not only take away their choice, but give it to who they voted against? I think the there would be unprecedented mass riots over that, and it would legit cause the government to collapse and install Trump anyway to the new country.

with a 4 year lock on it, and a note 'not valid until opened' attached to the door.

If due process was followed, if there was a real drive and motivation to do so, Trump would be in jail right now.

The go slow and hummin' and hawwin' is just so Trump can move into the White House and slam that time vault shut.

Sorry. Don't get your hopes up. Dark ages coming up.
Don't expect the world to make sense for the next 4 years.

After Congress disqualifies Trump, they can then disqualify any member of Congress that doesn't vote to disqualify Trump, as also being part of an insurrection. Wipe both the House and Senate of all Republicans in one fell swoop, other than the few that go along with it to save their own jobs.

...

To force true principle over the lawless populous. People of sacrifice and unbridled support for the greater good.

Damn it

made it much more difficult to "object" to a certification.

This and the 22nd come to mind.

worthwhile to hear and make "good theater".

I support the new law. It now requires objections be written in advance, then receive a 20% approval before being brought to the floor. This assures that the agenda does not get derailed by everyone airing a greivance.
I think this is fair.