Drones continue to buzz over US bases. The military isn't sure why or how to stop them
Source: CNN Politics
Published 5:00 AM EST, Sat December 21, 2024
CNN A series of drone sightings over military bases across the country has renewed concerns that the US doesnt have clear government-wide policy for how to deal with unauthorized incursions that could potentially pose a national security threat.
Were one year past Langley drone incursions and almost two years past the PRC spy balloon. Why dont we have a single [point of contact] who is responsible for coordination across all organizations in the government to address this? the recently retired head of US Northern Command and NORAD, Gen. Glen VanHerck, told CNN. Instead, everybodys pointing their fingers at each other saying its not our responsibility.
Indeed, there have been multiple instances of drone incursions over military bases since mysterious drone swarms were spotted around Joint Base Langley-Eustis and other sensitive military sites in Virginia last year, and since a Chinese spy balloon transited the continental US in 2023.
Over a period of six days earlier this month, there were six instances of unmanned aerial systems, or drones, entering the airspace of the Marine Corps base Camp Pendleton in California, a spokesperson confirmed to CNN, adding that they posed no threat to installation operations and no impact to air and ground operations. There have also been incidents in the last month at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio; Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey; Naval Weapons Station Earle, New Jersey; and Vandenberg Space Force Base, California.
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Dennis Donovan
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So, why aren't they using these to knock them down and ID them?
BumRushDaShow
(144,187 posts)Dec. 16, 2024, 1:04 PM EST
By Daniel Arkin
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In early October 2023, Robin announced it had joined a group of organizations working on the development of the worlds most advanced weather radar, known as PHARA. The groups mission is to develop a fully 3D weather radar that can accurately track the movement and growth process of cloud particles and large-scale weather fronts.
Detecting small objects is what we do, and its what we do best, the company says on its website. Bird, bat, or drone, our 360° radar systems log thousands of observations, scanning every second to track and classify with precision.
Robins systems have been used in at least one notable military context, too. In early August, the Dutch Ministry of Defense announced it had purchased 51 drone radars from the company and planned to donate them to Ukraine as President Volodymyr Zelenskyys forces attempt to fend off Russias aerial assault.
In a news release announcing the purchase, Robin explained that traditional radar systems are typically stationary, mounted on fixed platforms like buildings or tripods. But the Robin-produced radar systems have on-the-move functionality, allowing them to perform even when mounted on mobile objects, like vehicles or ships. Robins 3D drone detection radars are designed with the explicit purpose of detecting small, fast and elusive drones, the company said.
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The military or LEO might use jammers if something is flying over a base or a sensitive area like, um, a prison yard as there have been many reports of criminals "dropping contraband" like cell phones and drugs into prison complexes. But if a civilian brings something down (especially a larger one) over a populated neighborhood and it crashes into the roof of a house, then good luck in court.
Why people like to joke about this attributing it to "mass hysteria about UFOs" and other nonsense when you have shit like this going on, is beyond me -
mackdaddy
(1,618 posts)Drones have been a big issue for over a decade, and with the use of small drones dropping grenades in Ukraine and even B-movies about using drones as an assassination attempt 'Angle has Fallen' in 2019.
So they have a lot more ways of tracking them and dealing with them. Or maybe they can hire the 'net a deer from a helicopter' guys.
FredGarvin
(587 posts)No longer front page news on the MSM websites.
ColinC
(10,940 posts)doc03
(36,954 posts)controller frequency.
BumRushDaShow
(144,187 posts)I expect they ARE jamming any over restricted air space but I think this is emphasizing the bigger issue of basically "unregulated" things flying around the sky "below radar", with the idiotic assumption that the operators are all "good citizens", "follow the rules", and are not out to commit crimes.
But this is also exposing a big loophole with the need for developing some kind of processes or procedures for how "state/county/local" LEO can handle these - particularly if one might encounter them buzz-buzzing around an above-ground power substation (remember the idiots who were shooting at the equipment in some of those substations and actually causing damage and others vandalizing a substation causing a fire?).
doc03
(36,954 posts)BumRushDaShow
(144,187 posts)but good, non-weight bearing aerobic exercise!
I posted upthread about how criminals have been using them to do "drug drops" into prison complexes. Some of those are the "larger" (although not the "fixed wing" ) types because they are carrying stuff.
(the below was from over a year ago)
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BumRushDaShow
(144,187 posts)Tens of thousands of soldiers and their families LIVE on bases.
Example - https://www.walshgroup.com/ourexperience/building/multifamilyresidential/whitemanairforcebasemilitaryfamilyhousing.html
(ETA - some more info on that - https://veteran.com/living-on-military-bases/)
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BumRushDaShow
(144,187 posts)they would wait to do any jamming or "shooting down" once the object moves out over an open area or water.
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LastDemocratInSC
(3,862 posts)This fact definitely thickens the plot.
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onetexan
(13,913 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(286 posts)with the damned things.
Bengus81
(7,494 posts)Vinca
(51,233 posts)Maybe a drone will bring down a jet full of people. A bird can do it, why not a drone? Maybe one will crash into a reservoir and taint a town's water supply. Just like guns, every Tom, Dick and lunatic shouldn't be allowed to fly a drone.
AZ8theist
(6,555 posts)I can't think of anything. Other than more "thoughts and prayers"....
Vinca
(51,233 posts)AZ8theist
(6,555 posts)Welcome to the Disunited States of Trumpistan!!
FakeNoose
(36,001 posts)There needs to be some emergency directive that it's OKAY to bring these unmanned aircraft down. Either shoot them down or throw a Spiderman-style net over them and drag them down. The military base security should have more tools at their disposal.
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AZ8theist
(6,555 posts)..to "shoot them down".
I've watched countless hours of the Ukraine war footage and drones are extremely effective in evading contact due to their high mobility. Add in multiple targets and you've got a mess on your hands.
My question is who is behind this ...China? Curious how these incursions are occuring at military bases.
Testing our defenses??
Linda ladeewolf
(492 posts)Kimball Musk own a drone company as well? Nova something or other. Im wondering if this isnt the emergency being created for trump to use.
et tu
(1,894 posts)hope joe appoints a good knowledgeable person or group to handle this before
cf45 awards it to leon musk's brother- more grifting, less governance.
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BidenRocks
(956 posts)How about the Air Force?
SWBTATTReg
(24,332 posts)drones and either ID'ing them and/or stopping them in their tracks, by employing methods to stop them in their flight paths. W/ them over controlled air corridors over sensitive US military bases, shoot them down if they are not ID'ed.
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IzzaNuDay
(686 posts)obviously there is some ground to air signaling to the drones. Definitely traceable and possible jammable.
hire some teenage hackers to retrieve the drones from mid-air
Bengus81
(7,494 posts)I've seen vids of people flying them several miles,it would about have to be on the 2.4 band like many doorbells and wireless internet.
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HighFired49
(391 posts)The USA seems to be masters at going all over the world getting involved in every scrap that is not in our territory, but let there be obvious issues over our own country and.............nada. No one seems to be in command, or the ones who are don't know what to do to protect us. Thank goodness the drones don't SEEM to be carrying conventional weapons, but they could be carrying bioweapons, etc. Come on, enough is enough. We want answers!
Hekate
(95,281 posts)snot
(10,798 posts)it's space aliens standing by in case needed to avert nuclear war, and that they're standing by in Israel, Russia, and elsewhere as well.