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BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:14 AM Dec 14

Biden Administration Auctioning Pieces of Border Wall: Report

Source: Newsweek

Published Dec 13, 2024 at 6:03 PM EST Updated Dec 13, 2024 at 7:39 PM EST


Material to be used for the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border was reportedly taken away in Arizona, set for auction just weeks before the barrier's champion, President-elect Donald Trump, returns to the White House.

Video footage obtained by The Daily Wire showed sheets of the border wall being towed away close to Tucson, headed to the surplus government equipment auction marketplace GovPlanet.

"They are taking it from three stations: Nogales, Tucson and Three Points," a border patrol agent told the outlet on condition of anonymity. "The goal is to move all of it off the border before Christmas." Paneling meant to form part of the wall before President Joe Biden halted construction was seen piled up at the auction site.

"They just started taking all the wall that was not used, which is still totally good and usable, and they started taking it northbound," a border agent told The Daily Wire. "They're pulling it all off the border." The Biden administration sold similar materials in 2023, just before approving construction of another 20-mile stretch. The parts also were sold through GovPlanet.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/govplanet-biden-selling-border-wall-sale-auction-2000729



LOL

(but this is what GSA does with all kinds of surplus stuff - whether furniture, vehicles, and apparently unused building materials)
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Biden Administration Auctioning Pieces of Border Wall: Report (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 14 OP
Love it. wnylib Dec 14 #1
So they will reorder it next year? Probably at a higher price? jimfields33 Dec 14 #13
President Felon will probably make a big deal wnylib Dec 14 #25
I'm sorry but thats just stupid. A big waste of tax money. Callie1979 Dec 14 #2
Finishing the thought FBaggins Dec 14 #3
Didnt think of that! The buyer is probably JARED. Callie1979 Dec 14 #7
This is "standard practice" for the feds when it comes to "excess" / "surplus" BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #4
Sure - but let's not play games FBaggins Dec 14 #5
I suppose you weren't following the "wall fiasco" BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #8
I was not - but that still doesn't address the story FBaggins Dec 14 #9
You need to go dig into the NDAA BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #15
So again a a Right wing slanted article in Newsweek to defame and ridicule the Biden administration. Fla Dem Dec 14 #10
Yup, absolutely. This article is a crock. hadEnuf Dec 14 #11
Yes this is "normal" BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #17
Did you see this in my reply? BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #16
Bringing receipts! 👏 littlemissmartypants Dec 14 #24
And as mentioned in post #3; probably bought by someone who will just sell it BACK Callie1979 Dec 14 #12
The problem is Farmer-Rick Dec 14 #23
A small gesture but I LIKE IT. Middle fingers up in the Trump salute everyone. NoMoreRepugs Dec 14 #6
IDK osteopath6 Dec 14 #14
Nothing is being "torn down" (I guess unless it is damaged) BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #18
Ah osteopath6 Dec 14 #19
The irony BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #20
Yup, it's about racism. Like I've said many times before, humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill Dec 14 #21
Yup. BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #22
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
13. So they will reorder it next year? Probably at a higher price?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:36 AM
Dec 14

Doesn’t really make much sense.

wnylib

(25,015 posts)
25. President Felon will probably make a big deal
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:32 PM
Dec 14

out of reordering the material, probably as a grift. The price will be inflated and he will collect the difference between what it costs and what he says it cost. Or, he will claim to reorder it and pocket all of the claimed reordering cost.

But, I still love seeing it sold off at auction now. Any micro jabs that annoy the felon elect and give us something to chuckle over are good, IMO.

Callie1979

(391 posts)
2. I'm sorry but thats just stupid. A big waste of tax money.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:42 AM
Dec 14

This will be sold off for pennies on the dollar & when Trump is back in he'll just buy MORE to start it again.
And we wonder......

FBaggins

(27,844 posts)
3. Finishing the thought
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 07:46 AM
Dec 14

It's likely to be purchased by someone who knows that there will be demand for it in just a few weeks.

Sounds like a quick profit for some trump supporter

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
4. This is "standard practice" for the feds when it comes to "excess" / "surplus"
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:15 AM
Dec 14

The government PAID for these items when it executed the original task/delivery orders of the contract(s) for it and with it not being nor expected to be used, they are "surplussing" that unused material to recover some of the cost and clear the site.

The proceeds are returned to the Treasury.

Otherwise that stuff sits out there exposed to the weather causing who knows how much contamination where it is sitting.

FBaggins

(27,844 posts)
5. Sure - but let's not play games
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 08:40 AM
Dec 14

The surplus could have been sold years ago... and we know that it isn't going to "sit out there" much longer when the administration that purchased it is coming back with an intent to use it.

This is just a more expensive version of removing the "W" keys from keyboards.

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
8. I suppose you weren't following the "wall fiasco"
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:03 AM
Dec 14

and crap like this -



https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/23/arizona-trumps-border-wall-already-falling-down-after-flash-floods-15135971/

Per the OP article, Biden had new construction (and I expect under a completely different contract/design) implemented.

But more to the point, the LAW required removal of those materials -

Congress required Biden Administration's sale of border wall materials

Some Republican are upset that the Biden administration is moving unused border wall materials out of the Arizona borderlands.

by Danyelle Khmara



When President Joe Biden took office and temporarily halted wall construction, piles of steel bollards and other materials were left at the border in Arizona.

The National Defense Authorization Act, also known as the NDAA, passed last year required the government to dispose of excess border wall materials by specific deadlines.

A Department of Defense official said that nearly 60% of these materials were transferred to U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the states of Texas and California for refurbishing ports of entry or other border security projects.

The remaining 40% was sold to GovPlanet, an online platform for government surplus equipment, under a competitive sales contract that began in June.

(snip)


But as a "lawyer", you keep going with your supposition.

FBaggins

(27,844 posts)
9. I was not - but that still doesn't address the story
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:16 AM
Dec 14

Do you not find it odd that they don't tell us what the specific deadline is?

If it's December of 2024 then there was never a story. If it's 2028 - then the timing is suspect

Where did I ever claim to be a lawyer?

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
15. You need to go dig into the NDAA
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:40 AM
Dec 14

I linked to it in my reply - https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2670/text

Here is one reference in there -

SEC. 2890. PLAN FOR USE OF EXCESS
CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ON SOUTHWEST
BORDER.


(a) Plan. --Not later than 75 days after the
date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall submit
to Congress a plan to use, transfer, or donate to States on the southern
border of the United States all covered materials, with prioritization
given to the refurbishment and or maintenance of ports of entry along
the southwest border and construction projects aimed at stopping illicit
human and vehicle traffic along the border of the United States with
Mexico.

(b) Elements.--The plan required by subsection (a) shall include the
following:
(1) A detailed proposal for the disposition of such covered
materials, including a timeline for disposition and the
authorities under which such disposition shall occur.
(2) An assessment of the condition of
such materials being stored, including (if applicable) a
description of materials that have depreciated in value, become
damaged, or been lost.

[[Page 137 STAT. 786]]

(c) Requirements of Requesting States. --
Any State requesting the covered materials made available under this
section must certify, in writing, that the materials it accepts will be
exclusively used for the refurbishment or maintenance of ports of entry
along the southwest border or construction projects aimed at stopping
illicit human and vehicle traffic along the border of the United States
with Mexico.

(d) Execution of Plan.--Not later than 100 days
after the date of submission of the plan required by subsection (a), the
Secretary of Defense shall commence execution of such plan until the
date on which the Department of Defense is no longer incurring any costs
to maintain, store, or protect the covered materials.

(e) Report.--Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment
of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to Congress a report
containing the following:
(1) A detailed description of the decision process of the
Secretary to forgo the excess property disposal process of the
Department of Defense and instead pay to store the covered
materials.
(2) A list of entities the Department is
paying for use of their privately owned land to store the
covered materials, with appropriate action taken to protect
personally identifiable information, such as by making the list
of entities available in an annex that is labeled as controlled
unclassified information.
(3) An explanation of the process through which the
Department contracted with private landowners to store the
covered materials, including whether there was a competitive
contracting process and whether the landowners have instituted
an inventory review system.
(4) A description of any investigations by the Inspector
General of the Department that have been opened related to
storing the covered materials.

(f) Definitions.--In this section, the term ``covered material''
means all remaining construction materials currently possessed by the
United States Government that were purchased under section 2808 and 284
of title 10, United States Code, from fiscal years 2017 through 2021,
including bollards and Nucor tubular square structural tubes.

Fla Dem

(25,965 posts)
10. So again a a Right wing slanted article in Newsweek to defame and ridicule the Biden administration.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:16 AM
Dec 14

Joe Biden probably didn't have any role in the surplus fencing/wall material being cleaned and delivered to a surplus storage area. As stated in this post.... Congress required it, but Newsweek had to put Joe Biden's name on it.

hadEnuf

(2,843 posts)
11. Yup, absolutely. This article is a crock.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:22 AM
Dec 14

This is normal surplus activity being made out to be some conspiracy by Biden.

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
17. Yes this is "normal"
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:43 AM
Dec 14

which is what I had in my OP comments.

But anything that causes the GOP to freak out should garner a chuckle, although it causing DUers to freak out is another issue altogether.

Callie1979

(391 posts)
12. And as mentioned in post #3; probably bought by someone who will just sell it BACK
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:29 AM
Dec 14

In two months. For a helluva profit.

Farmer-Rick

(11,579 posts)
23. The problem is
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:37 AM
Dec 14

That excess building materials don't just sit there in pristine condition. They deteriorate. Sometimes they deteriorate worse than when used because the finishing materials are never applied.

I know, I've stored metals, wood, concrete materials that I never used thinking I could use them later on. But when the tarps and covers are removed, you find the materials are brittle, rusted, warped, water logged....how water got into the back of the barn, I don't know....and chewed up. Rats and mice can chew through a lot.

How long were those materials staged there? Were they covered and protected from rodents sun, rain, freezing? So, selling it off may be the most practical solution for those materials.

I'm sure Trump understands how building materials need to be used before they deteriorate. He was supposedly in real estate and building. So, he'll understand.

osteopath6

(115 posts)
14. IDK
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:37 AM
Dec 14

Isn't tearing it down just going to end up costing us twice as much now....? He's definitively going to rebuild it and that's if those red state border areas haven't already started but just not announced it yet.

I never understood all the fuss over the border or the wall 🤷🏻‍♂️

Every civilized country in the world I look up to enforces its borders. Canada, Israel, Poland, Ukraine, and more.

That's my opinion anyhow.

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
18. Nothing is being "torn down" (I guess unless it is damaged)
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:45 AM
Dec 14

It was stuff that was purchased as part of a contract for construction of part of the border fencing and was never used so, it is being auctioned off as "surplus".

osteopath6

(115 posts)
19. Ah
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:49 AM
Dec 14

That makes sense. Regardless, I'm saving my energy for a real fight. There will be plenty coming up rest assured.

The border isn't the hill I want to die on. It should be secure like every country's and just because Trump or the GOP says it doesn't mean I need to automatically and vehemently oppose it. Even a broken clock is right at least once per day (twice for civil time). I won't say 6:59 is actually 6:58 just because they say it's 6:59 when it's actually 6:59.

BumRushDaShow

(145,075 posts)
20. The irony
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:58 AM
Dec 14

is that the border between the U.S. and Canada is over twice the length of the border between the U.S. and Mexico (~5500 miles vs ~2000 miles), and that tells you what their thought process and agenda is regarding "borders".

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