playing the physician..... It's time the doctors hold the line....

at the patient's request.

of course not. the malpractice will fall onto the doctor.

did the families of the dead samoan children sue rfk?

are any of the women bleeding in parking lots suing? i'll have to check.

This is a known inaccurate treatment for COVID.... actually useless.

I don't know but maybe a Nurse who is following the doctors order to administer this drug may be safe but the prescriber definately appears liable.,such as the PA, Nurse Practioner and physician.

Allowing drug manufacturers to advertise on radio & TV; "ask your Dr if XXX is good for YOU"....

ref: "My City Was Gone", The Pretenders / Chrissy Hynde , 1980's

they totally suck. But there they are, embracing snake oil treatments for their ignorant audience.

The way things are going, Darwin will cull the herd before the next election.

.... butts - because it cleans out the germs like donOLD said ?

Expiring minds want to know.

Source:

Let's hope there's a suppository version of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

No link yet.

However...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4497912/

In this article two patients with diseases ivermectin actually treats - threadworm infestations - were dosed with ivermectin suppositories - which they had to make on site - and failed to achieve enough serum concentration of the drug to be beneficial. In layman's terms, ivermectin suppositories don't work. But since ivermectin doesn't work on COVID anyway, the stuff not getting into the bloodstream is a net positive.

This is given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool by doing something really stupid.

Its only given to people who remove themselves from the gene pool before reproducing. If they have passed genes on, not eligible!

I don't give a rats ass about a patient that is dumb enough to request it.

Imagine sick as a dog in ER having to validate what drug they are prescribing. Only in Ohio can they legislate for doctors to prescribe questionable RX and refuse to let them prescribe medically sound meds for women all in the same building! This is beyond words….

I DON'T have to take it. i WILL figure something out

That’s where the problem comes. Been there as a patient and a caregiver…….

Or an elderly person who's granted a medical Power of Attorney?

This seems really unsafe and, let's hope, will not hold up in the courts.

Like i said if they are that dumb not much you can do about it! Just to make it clear, I'm 100% AGAINST this!!

Made by people that aren't doctors.

But as long as Trumpers are only killing themselves with raw milk, horse dewormer and bleach injections, more power to them

I wouldn't live in Ohio if someone gave me a mansion and agreed to pay all the property taxes on it.

Because if not, the doctors should pull up stakes and move to states where legislators can't practice medicine without license.

If a patient dies or is injured by off-label use is their liability insurance going to cover them?
This will go one of two ways:
1/ The Ohio legislature will force the insurance companies to cover prescriber liability in these cases an insurance rates will explode or insurers will leave.
2/ The legislature will not provide liability waivers or force insurers to cover these situations and doctors will leave, quit or go to positions where they won’t be required to practice quack medicine.

can I legally force them to give me highly addictive narcotics? Pretty sure OxyContin is not the standard for minor boo-boos, but hey, if the Ohio Legislature says they have to give me what I want even if it is not something designated for a sprain...

We have to stop electing the dumbest people to our legislatures, but that would require voters to wise up I reckon.

The doctor? He is part of the decision. He has lability.

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as me being gleeful at this which is definitely not what I meant.

I reported the problem with not being able to Edit to "DU Community Help" as EarlG asked us to if we find any problems with the new DU software upgrade.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/125627447

briefly: When I click "Options" (at the footer of my reply) and then "Edit this post", what showed up is the same thing one gets in LBN when one clicks on "Start A Discussion".

You may have missed the DU updates announcement the last couple days from EarlG (??)

From my post #25 above that you replied to -

No abortion care when needed but poisoning can be required by law?

That the fu...

May not cure them but it wouldn't KILL them. They'll be giving them other meds too & if they get better the parents will scream "See!"

And since it has no benefits in treating covid, the law says that doctors should be giving patients un-necessary medication that won't help them but might hurt them.
So be it.

Load them up.

If they are stupid enough to take that stuff, then it's on them. After all, the RW's always warn about recreational drugs and do nothing to help people get off them (other than imprisonment or letting them die). Why should this be any different?

or whatever other wacky treatment, let them go for it. Anyhow, looks like doctors will have to go for it in OH.

If they die because of their choice, it's just legal assisted suicide.

These freaks will have to pull freight on an insurance denial.

This particular case sounds like performative nonsense cooked up to please MAGA voters. The story is confusing, though. The headline implies that hospitals, pharmacists, etc. will be "forced" to administer these drugs to patients, but towards the end of the article, this appears:

legislature starts assuming the role of a physician, they need to be held liable for any harm that results.

Meds which do not have the research to back them up as legitimate treatments.

At the same time it is a crime to save the life of a dying woman with easy and ethical treatments.

The GOP will not be happy until no sane person wants to be a health care provider.

Anyone dumb enough to demand such things probably needs to be removed from the gene pool anyway. Certainly from the voter rolls. So I figure, yea, whatever. Knock yourselves out.

WWII deprived my parents of an education. They spoke several languages and my mother played the piano brilliantly when she wasn't cooking delicious meals. If a doctor or medical expert advised either of my parents to take a quack medication, they would have followed suit. My parents would then have been removed from the gene pool like Darwin demands and I wouldn't be here. My gene pool? Who knows and who cares. But I play four musical instruments, earned a MA degree, and spent 27 years in the USIC, despite my parent's background.

Sometimes we have to be a little more compassionate to our fellow man. And I mean no offense whatsoever to you, paleotn.

can get their stupid asses to a farm & ranch supply store and buy some horse medicine.

I’m a rosacea sufferer. It’s that facial condition where you look like you have bad acne along with a super bad sunburn that never goes away.

Unsightly and forces people into isolation. Including me when I have a relapse.
No cure, they still don’t know for sure what it is. Mild antibiotics for inflammation, topicals for the bumps and redness. Many topicals which seem to bring relief are prescription and can be as high as $700 for a tube ( that’s WITH my insurance- needless to say, I do without it). I have ordered my other topical online from Australia for $70 a tube versus $150 here in the states with insurance.

Turns out, Ivermectin (“horse paste” )has shown promise. Many sufferers are desperate and trying it. It apparently suppresses the mites on the face which are present on everyone, but which are the cause of irritation on some who suffer with rosacea.

It’s my next step because I’m tired of spending obscene amounts of money on doctors who are clueless and on Rx’s which don’t work or are just too expensive.

Please ignore this reply -- I'm just testing something re: the new button changes.

Docs and hospitals will require patients to sign a form acknowledging they are taking a medication that is useless and may harm them. Patients will die. Family will sue the doc and hospital. Doc and hospital will hide behind the patient consent document. Family will contest the document -- "S/He was pressured to sign that thing." And the only winners are the goddam lawyers. What do you bet the bulk of members of the legislature are lawyers?

Shakespeare was right:

If I have it correct, the opportunities for refusal to dispense or administer are many - ethical, moral or disagreement on a scientific basis among them. My only question is whether the nursing staff have the same rights of refusal as pharmacists and physicians. Didn’t seem like it.


Seems like it is designed more to feed the MAGA cult a treat.

Source:



No link yet.

Obviously, Ohio is full (too full if you ask me) of 'couch potato' doctors, all of whom have so called medical degrees of some sort, probably grabbed the degrees for a $1 each, at the last state fair/carnival held in Ohio.

I guess my advice is don't get sick or in an accident in Ohio.

that every elected republican in the Ohio Statehouse be required to publicly be injected with Ivermectin to control brain rot.

when a patient dies.

Ohio Republicans are attacking medical experts in their March toward fascism.

which have been clinically shown to help people, such as those with depression

That's a fucked up state.

Who is liable when these dumbass medical instructions from the Internet go wrong? What responsibility does the hospital bear to keep the brilliant patient alive when s/he wants a flashlight suppository or chugs a bottle of bleach?

Shakes head

asses while your at it.

Let them go for it.

become anymore ignorant they prove that theory wrong .

As a medical professional, retired myself there would be no way I would be part of that.

“Primum non nocere”

Are patients going to be required to sign a waiver just in case the medicine kills them? Are Doctors going to be sued if it kills the patient even though, the patient requested it? Who is going to be responsible for when this goes south?.... What happen to Doctors oath to do no harm?.... How do Politicians become doctors with no medical training, making decisions they are not trained to make, not be held accountable?

I have been on this earth for almost 70 years, and I have never seen this level of incompetence, and stupidity that we are witnessing. At this rate, I am waiting on them getting involved with Cancer treatments, Colonoscopy's, and Emergency Room decisions.... we are screwed if this continues....

What if my child wants to take puberty blockers cause i read on the internet they are very helpful for preventing covid? Is the hospital now required to comply?

October 5, 2021

... a medical practitioner, health care institution, or health care payer has the freedom to decline to perform, participate in, or pay for any health care service which violates the practitioner's, institution's, or payer's conscience as informed by the moral, ethical, or religious beliefs or principles held by the practitioner, institution, or payer ...

https://www.ebglaw.com/insights/publications/ohios-medical-practitioner-conscience-clause-becomes-effective

"I can't prescribe ivermectin for viral infections: it offends my conscience"

You get the cream of the stupid crop writing laws.

told me this was the cure if they would of just prescribed it!
Made my head spin! So here it is Ohio is officially as stupid as Kentucky and other full on red states!

Ivermectin to the rescue!!!

Dumbest ass people in Ohio!!!!

And sign the paperwork saying its "against medical advice"
The Ivermectin wont kill them but the covid might.

I know a woman taking it right now for "eye mites" which I never knew was a "thing". but apparently we almost ALL have them but some people have too many!!

These people are cray!

Culling the herd.

Seems pretty straightforward to say "don't have any available to fill the prescription. Hows about a tablespoon of an equally effective emetic compound that may also result in nausea, vomiting, and other gastric issues?"

If the side effects are equivalent, then it has to work?

To quote Planet of the Apes.

perhaps from the quackery dept.

Good new Tractor Supple has apple flavored

Enjoy the ride.

Let the chips fall as they may.
I really don't have concern about stupid people and their stupid decisions when the only person in harms way is the stupid person.

Only the morons that run the state of Ohio would approve this. The whole state is going to hell in a handbasket. Im ready to move far away from here but not sure where to go, definitely not south.

if I were a doctor I would move to another state, preferably a blue state.

did their own research are going to feel real smart when they suffer from retinopathy, intestinal lesions, or some other highly undesirable side effect.

Or, perhaps a stage four cancer patient can have a "doctor" treat them by beheading live chickens and reciting backwards from "The Art of the Deal"?