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highplainsdem

(52,834 posts) Wed Dec 11, 2024, 10:57 PM Dec 11

Ontario premier says US energy exports will be cut off if Trump imposes sweeping tariffs on Canada

Source: AP

The premier of Canada’s most populous province said Wednesday he will cut off energy to the United States if President-elect Donald Trump imposes sweeping tariffs on all Canadian products.

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“We’re going to put our list together, and I’m sure the other provinces will as well. But we will go to the full extent, depending on how far this goes. We will go to the extent of cutting off their energy,” Ontario Premier Doug Ford said after meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other provincial premiers.

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“We will use every tool in our tool box to fight back. We can’t sit back and roll over. We just won’t as a country. And isn’t this a shame, our closest friends and allies.”

About 60% of U.S. crude oil imports are from Canada, and 85% of U.S. electricity imports as well.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/article/canada-interest-rate-cut-trump-tariffs-c0ef920ffb02ea0531c93516abad64e0

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Ontario premier says US energy exports will be cut off if Trump imposes sweeping tariffs on Canada (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 11 OP

We have no fucking idea what Trump Tariffs mean. Pretty sure it will work this way. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 11 #1

This is it exactly Diraven Dec 12 #5

No. Canada in tRump's first term cut a deal. All tRump got was a headline. Bless your heart Bernardo de La Paz Dec 12 #12

Sorry you took offense. My post was actually about Trump's plan for these tariffs in general. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 12 #18

Thank you. In broad outlines we are agreed: tRump is corrupt. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 12 #19

Sock it to the bully Canada Henry203 Dec 11 #2

He says as .... Multiguy Dec 12 #4

Canada is not the bully Random Boomer Dec 12 #6

Grammar is important! JoseBalow Dec 12 #11

Don't believe it. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Dec 11 #3

Political theatre, nothing more Fiendish Thingy Dec 12 #7

It's meant to get the attention of US voters stollen Dec 12 #8

It's meant to get the attention of conservative Ontario voters Fiendish Thingy Dec 12 #9

Partly true, but if US costs Canada 15 pc of its economy expect severe consequences from Canada. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 12 #14

The Law Of Unintended Consequences DallasNE Dec 12 #10

US leaky border exports gun crime into Canada. US trade deficit minor in perspective: 9 pc Bernardo de La Paz Dec 12 #13

gasoline prices would skyrocket. nt Javaman Dec 12 #15

DO IT lark Dec 12 #16

yes it's a shame 4catsmom Dec 12 #17

Canada is banking on the fact that trump gives a shit about Americans mdbl Dec 12 #20

so... i live in Michigan Takket Dec 12 #21

OAITW r.2.0

(28,656 posts)

1. We have no fucking idea what Trump Tariffs mean. Pretty sure it will work this way.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:07 PM

Dec 11

Trump cuts tariff deals with friends. They win big. They remit their cut to Trump.

Diraven

(1,092 posts)

5. This is it exactly

Reply to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:05 AM

Dec 12

It's a shakedown. Companies and countries that play ball by buying DJT stock and TrumpCoin and donating to Republicans will get special exemptions from the tariffs.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)

12. No. Canada in tRump's first term cut a deal. All tRump got was a headline. Bless your heart

Reply to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 05:14 AM

Dec 12

Bless your heart. You have a disgustingly distorted view of Canada. There was no payment for tRump, there was no cut.

There is corruption and nonsense everywhere, but great chunks of the many examples of American insanity do not extend across the border, not does tRump's deep transactional corruption.

Please.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,656 posts)

18. Sorry you took offense. My post was actually about Trump's plan for these tariffs in general.

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 02:36 PM

Dec 12

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)

19. Thank you. In broad outlines we are agreed: tRump is corrupt. . . . nt

Reply to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:21 PM

Dec 12

Henry203

(178 posts)

2. Sock it to the bully Canada

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:13 PM

Dec 11

Thank you.

Multiguy

(4 posts)

4. He says as ....

Reply to Henry203 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:05 AM

Dec 12

the US freezes in the dark.

Random Boomer

(4,268 posts)

6. Canada is not the bully

Reply to Henry203 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:08 AM

Dec 12

Unless what you meant was "Sock it to the bully, Canada".

JoseBalow

(5,630 posts)

11. Grammar is important!

Reply to Random Boomer (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:41 AM

Dec 12

I'm going with the missing comma theory; I believe the poster is referring to drumpf as the bully.

C_eh_N_eh_D_eh

(2,213 posts)

3. Don't believe it.

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 11:46 PM

Dec 11

Ford's talking tough now because he's contemplating calling a snap election in Ontario, and the current narrative is that Trudeau's letting the Orange Asshole jerk him around.

But Ford and the other Conservative premiers (which is most of the premiers) will happily roll over for the Asshole, especially if the federal Conservatives take over Parliament next year.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,801 posts)

7. Political theatre, nothing more

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:15 AM

Dec 12

The oil companies would have Ford’s head on a pike if he took even the weakest steps to stop exporting Canadian crude to the US.

stollen

(589 posts)

8. It's meant to get the attention of US voters

Reply to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:31 AM

Dec 12

especially those who live in cold climates. Good timing, Trump. We're in winter.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,801 posts)

9. It's meant to get the attention of conservative Ontario voters

Reply to stollen (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:35 AM

Dec 12

.
By making such a theatrical statement, even though he knows he will never act on it, Ford gets to look tough in contrast to Trudeau.

It will be interesting to see if Poilievre, the leader of the conservatives, supports Ford on this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)

14. Partly true, but if US costs Canada 15 pc of its economy expect severe consequences from Canada. . . . . nt

Reply to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:04 AM

Dec 12

DallasNE

(7,589 posts)

10. The Law Of Unintended Consequences

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:51 AM

Dec 12

It always rears its head when you fail to look at things from all sides and occurs when things migrate from a sound bite to policy. E v e r y s i n g le t i m e.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)

13. US leaky border exports gun crime into Canada. US trade deficit minor in perspective: 9 pc

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 06:02 AM

Dec 12

As I understand it, a large majority of gun crimes in Canada use guns illegally obtained in the US and smuggled into Canada. There is no fentanyl crisis at the Canada-USA border.

Canada trade deficit with USA, compared as a percentage of US exports to the regions, is minor:

USA's trade deficit with Canada: 9 % of US exports to Canada
World: 26 % of US exports worldwide
Mexico: 33 % of US exports to Mexico
China: 129 % of US exports to China

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219804157

Javaman

(63,196 posts)

15. gasoline prices would skyrocket. nt

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:02 AM

Dec 12

lark

(24,340 posts)

16. DO IT

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 08:48 AM

Dec 12

The only way bullies ever back down is when they get punched back harder.

4catsmom

(291 posts)

17. yes it's a shame

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:00 PM

Dec 12

no way to treat our allies. but if they cause a few Trumpers to freeze to death then it hasn't been in vain

mdbl

(5,505 posts)

20. Canada is banking on the fact that trump gives a shit about Americans

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:21 PM

Dec 12

He doesn't. I wonder how long it will take the idiots that voted for him to realize it.

Takket

(22,659 posts)

21. so... i live in Michigan

Reply to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 12, 2024, 07:28 PM

Dec 12

the article claims 1.5 million people get their electricity from Ontario. I live on the metro detroit area where (i'm pretty sure) we get all out power from DTE, and that they generate all their own power.

Does anyone know where these 1.5 million homes that rely on ontario power come from? i've been searching the internet and found lots of articles about all the michigan power companies and how they generate power and where their plants are, but i cannot find ANYTHING that talks about what homes in michigan, or anywhere else, are powered by Ontario.

Can anyone help me? i just want to know my lights aren't going to go out lol

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