I agree w/ Ms Warren.

Since everything that was civil and peace are used up, there are no other options.

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The answer is obviously "yes." But in all fairness, his evil deeds weren't fully obvious from the beginning.

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Now he assassinated President McKinley cold blooded, got his ass whooped by fair attendees and was the first person to die by electric chair. His politics was anarcho-left and a follower of Emma Goldman.

Despite all that went on, fast forwarding today, some historians suggest that Czolgosz may have delayed the great depression as a result of assassinating McKinley, as McKinley supported certain policies that would have had the depression much sooner.

It all depends on the situation mixed with passion, conviction, and sacrifice one has. Should it be condone? Absolutely not. But condemnation is key.

in the Medicare department, shared a scathing account of the company’s internal practices in a now-viral video. Monroe alleges that the company’s policies were designed to maximize profits at the expense of patients, particularly the elderly. Her experience shines a light on how insurance companies exploit systemic flaws to deny essential care and leave patients struggling to survive.

“They would deny almost everything immediately, right, with very little to valid reason,” Monroe revealed in her video. “A lot of it was they banked on the fact that a lot of people were elderly, and if they made the process difficult enough, they would just say screw it and either pay for it or not get the service.”'

https://polinews.org/apparent-employee-of-united-healthcare-shares-her-experience-working-for-ceo-brian-thompson-in-medicare-department/?

This is a real good post and link that you made. You should really post it as a new thread. More people need to hear this.

and will post it separately, as it's own OP.

I will look for the OP.

be resurrecting our dormant line of "Millionaire Marinades". ("Trump a l'Orange" had possibilities, but who in hell wants to clean one of those things?)

And remove all the shit, you’re just left with a long, red tie. Nothing to eat

Let's see where they come down on all of this. Decrying the violence is one thing,how about addressing the other AARP.

paid them for the use of their branding, which is all it is.

Just wondering.

An excerpt?

anything.

“The visceral response from people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to everyone in the health care system.”

“Violence is never the answer, but people can be pushed only so far. This is a warning that if you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the ability of their government to make change, lose faith in the ability of the people who are providing the health care to make change, and start to take matters into their own hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.”

Hope that helps.

(on DU), in what respect? The issue, not the words.

I don't have a problem with what Senator Warren said. However, when DU members have said virtually the exact same things there have been objections.

At least I’m picking that up…

Rank and file Democrats are held to a much higher standard than the party leadership figures and office holders are. Punching down is OK, punching up not so much. Which come to think of it is kind of the problem with the whole country. Of course, people have different opinions as to just whom to kick and whom to be kicked by and we call those different opinions different "political ideologies."

She's one of the few Democrats who have been at least *trying to speak to us - the base.

The Persisterhood lives.

and will never be afraid of those motherfuckers.

If she posted that here she would be accused of condoning murder.

We'd need to build a new forum.

You know who else knows she right? The CEO's on wanted flyers going up in NYC. First they came for the CEO's then they came for the billionaires then...

Amirite, Warren?

I'm sick and tired of this weak shit.

Lissy Warren - you presume too much. Is it a sane world?

Medical decisions wouldn't be left up to the non-medical bean counters of any company with a profit motive at the forefront of their decision making.

An independent medical board would make any such decisions, but they would need to be perfectly honest in their decision making.
And be watched for any efforts at undue influence - like brown paper envelopes with wads of cash appearing mysteriously in their letter boxes.

'Violence is never the answer' is the current catch cry. Sure, give us some viable non-violent alternatives then!

But it's an idealistic and unreal suggestion - it is very much the 'answer' in the current unrest in the Middle East, Ukraine and every war since the dawn of time.
Death and destruction can be the answer of first resort or last resort. It depends on the question being asked.
It depends on the availability of workable and non-violent alternatives.

Let's not confuse analysis with justification, please.

Might have been better if she made the next logical step, to offer viable and non-violent alternatives.
People have been waiting for that. For a long time. And getting impatient.

But . . . crickets chirping loudly!

The 'no, you must not resort to violence, just suck it up!' from a lot of people doesn't sit right.
Of course the people who say that aren't ever likely to experience the problem. No one wealthy enough ever will.

Love her.

I hope they do the right thing, before it’s too late.

They have too much to lose.

They can’t enjoy any of their money, if they’re laying in a casket.

Other countries seem to run their health systems as organizations that are not for profit, look after people as the first and only priority, quite well.

Why is it so hard in the USA?

There are a lot of public services that shouldn't be run on a profit motive.
Would you run the army, navy, air force and law enforcement as for-profit organisations?

One reason - they don't want to pay a (national) VAT (tax) to do so.

Lots of people work for them. Try to cut them out and you won’t hear “but profits”. You’ll hear “but jobs”.

unless they are transferred over to the government for a "job" (doing claims)... but that's not what the GOP wants.

getting cut out of their billions.

They want to "deconstruct the administrative state" and essentially reproduce the "fiefdoms" that their immigrant ancestors fled (thinking that this time they would be "in charge" ).

Well, now if I were the president of this land
You know, I'd declare total war on the pusher man
I'd cut him if he stands, and I'd shoot him if he'd run
Yes, I'd kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

God damn, oh, the pusher
God damn the pusher
I said God damn
God damn the pusher man...

Steppenwolf then he made on his on recordings.

Not unlike what Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did for Jerry Jeff Walker’s "Mr. Bojangles".

In a way that is what many of the ultra wealthy are doing as they control the medical insurance companies.

Killing Hitler wouldn't necessarily have prevented the atrocities - Hitler had plenty of supporters and, like we have here now, too many of the public just wanted a guy to magically and quickly fix all the problems for them and were unable to see the consequences. Four healthcare, maybe a true courageous thing would be if everyone, simultaneously, stopped paying their health premiums and instead paid hospitals and doctors directly.

But I could honestly see something like that happening eventually if the pressure becomes high enough, it's partially why I suspect Trump and Musk as well as other ultra wealthy assholes are beating the illegal immigrants drum. It's both the perfect distraction for millions of voters from figuring out that it actually is the ultra wealthy that are who are screwing up the country and it gives them a way to do things like massive tax cuts for themselves without angering the rubes.

America has an obsession with individuals and corporations acquiring power and influence, and making obscene profits from the misery of others.

A multi-level, heavily ingrained level of reality distortion.

A lot of effort goes into making this seem 'normal', when it isn't. Shouldn't be.

Senator Warren, the Healthcare system may only be the beginning. Once people are affected personally more events like this will be happening unfortunately. Again, like you said "people can be pushed only so far".

it can. Right now we are in the eye" of a hurricane, it's when that eye passes and the backlash hits hard. We are going to be going through some things. Just remember the lying will never stop, just like how the felon did not know about Project 2025, now he has those in the Heritage Foundation in powers of position now.

I'm surprised she came out and said this. Of course it is the obvious assumption, but very few politicians (IMHO) would have come out and said it. The only thing she left out was the need for universal healthcare and the outlawing of cut-throat greed in this country by any business that blatantly profits off the health of ill human beings. Healthcare should NOT be for profit!

There's no "border crisis". There's no millions of people coming to take our jobs. You know who is taking your jobs? Your boss! And his dividend and shareholder class. They are the ones to blame. But Fox News is too busy distracting people with shiny objects.