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groundloop

(12,386 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:07 PM Nov 26

Elon Musk erupts over California plan that could cut Tesla from EV tax credit

Source: The Independent

Elon Musk blew up in a post on X after California Gov. Gavin Newsom floated the possibility of providing tax credits for buyers of electric vehicles that might not include Tesla.

“This is insane!” complained Musk, who has been chosen by President-elect Donald Trump to head a new federal efficiency department to cut waste from the government.

Newsom’s office announced Monday that it plans to relaunch California’s subsidy of up to $7,500 in tax credits for buyers of electric vehicles if Trump cuts the same EV federal tax credit, as he’s expected to do.

California’s potential plan would likely not include Musk’s cars because the program would be aimed at helping carmakers with smaller market shares, both Bloomberg and The New York Times reported. Tesla accounted for 56 percent of new EV sales in California during this year’s third quarter.


Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-tesla-california-electric-vehicle-tax-b2654044.html





So let me get this straight..... Musk wants to eliminate federal tax credits for electric vehicles, yet is pitching a hissy fit when Tesla won't qualify for California's tax credits.

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Elon Musk erupts over California plan that could cut Tesla from EV tax credit (Original Post) groundloop Nov 26 OP
Government efficiency ck4829 Nov 26 #1
This is the kind of kick back we need a whole lot more of! PortTack Nov 26 #2
I love my Governor. onecaliberal Nov 26 #3
I do too! Sadly, mine is DeSatan. nt Phoenix61 Nov 26 #4
I love him too. JPK Nov 27 #38
One must be careful to establish ojective standards that can be applied uniformly Bluetus Nov 26 #17
I love this idea NJCher Nov 26 #21
I have been pitching this to anybody who will listen for the past 10 years Bluetus Nov 26 #23
Your day has come NJCher Nov 26 #26
The old federal EV tax credit worked the same way, Tesla did not qualify. SunSeeker Nov 26 #5
GM was part of that cap problem too. Quanto Magnus Nov 26 #33
I bought a 2019 Volt JPK Nov 27 #40
I hope the blue states decimate Elon until he's screaming in a courtroom louder than Giuliani Native Nov 26 #6
Stupid Musk moved Tesla out of California in a fit of pique. If he stayed he'd get the California credit Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #7
for a guy who is NJCher Nov 26 #24
mElon doesn't know much about electric cars or govt operations Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #8
Pete trolled Musk and Musk thanked him! LittleGirl Nov 26 #10
A symphony of tiny violins should serenade Elon now.... xocetaceans Nov 26 #9
Ha ha LittleGirl Nov 26 #11
... orangecrush Nov 26 #12
100% "Efficient" government. usonian Nov 26 #13
Poor baby! Elonia is always whining about something! City Lights Nov 26 #14
kick him in the balls, Gavin YoshidaYui Nov 26 #15
Stop Buying EFFING TESLAs!!!!!!!!!!!!! maxrandb Nov 26 #16
I wish I could rec this... orwell Nov 26 #22
Melon wants to Windy Apple Nov 26 #18
The kickback is key to... orwell Nov 26 #19
I'd buy an explosive Chinese EV before a Tesla wolfie001 Nov 26 #20
ANYONE giving money to Tesla or Musk for ANYTHING should be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES! jvill Nov 26 #25
He wants the credits gone because he wants to hurt his companies competition. cstanleytech Nov 26 #27
Biden Grants Rivian $6.6B Loan to Revive Stalled Georgia EV Factory SupportSanity Nov 26 #28
why's he worried? quakerboy Nov 26 #29
If something pisses musk or any rethuglicon off, THAT bluestarone Nov 26 #30
Enjoy Texas jackass. California bought more Tesla's than every other state, I suspect JohnSJ Nov 26 #31
Who gives a flying F**** what this billionaire says or wants? n/t Jacson6 Nov 26 #32
We shouldn't, but apparently he's the co-president. FoxNewsSucks Nov 27 #49
Reminds me of this all time classic.............. turbinetree Nov 26 #34
If Musk is pissed, it must be a good thing. NEOBuckeye Nov 27 #35
The Nazi union rep Nov 27 #36
What a crybaby! The Madcap Nov 27 #37
Against Government Waste erpowers Nov 27 #39
He wants the credit to go away Lithos Nov 27 #41
So tax credits are only for him? Fuck that ass. Autumn Nov 27 #42
May it give him an aneurism. N/T tonekat Nov 27 #43
Didn't the muskrat move Tesla operations out of California to Texas? kimbutgar Nov 27 #44
Tax credits Ladythatvotesblue Nov 27 #45
Using government to increase competition is a great idea bucolic_frolic Nov 27 #46
Musk vs Newsom wryter2000 Nov 27 #47
You should have though about supporting your California drivers instead of the loser (and you're one of the SWBTATTReg Nov 27 #48

PortTack

(34,832 posts)
2. This is the kind of kick back we need a whole lot more of!
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:15 PM
Nov 26

How bout that new fleet of ford police vehicles going to another car maker. Ford gave big time to the gqp

No more Applebees, kfc or Pizza Hut at the state level employee buffet.
State employees required to use Lyft instead of Uber for business travel, same with airlines…no more delta.

We can hurt them where they will understand!

Bluetus

(301 posts)
17. One must be careful to establish ojective standards that can be applied uniformly
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:27 PM
Nov 26

and there can be some legal issues if states take actions against companies for behavior that doesn't actually occur within the state. Having said that, I am very much in favor of the blue states joining to apply maximum pressure against these billionaires and rogue corporations that are directly attack our democratic system of government by interfering in elections. Here is what I think COULD hold up to a federal challenge:

The solid blue states (CA, IL, OR, WA, NY, NJ, MA, MD, VA, etc.) form a consortium to guide public investment. The purpose would be to establish a set of corporate standards companies must meet NATIONALLY in order to qualify for any state government contracts, grants, partnerships, tax abatement or any other assistance. There could be multiple factors that would go into the rating of each entity, but some of the factors could be:

* Support for unions and fair pay/workplace practices
* Commitment to decarbonization
* Commitment to living wage
* Requirement to fully utilize existing work forces, especially within the consortium states, before seeking any foreign worker visas
* Limits on executive total compensation (including fringe benefits, options, and other compensation) to no more than 150X the average worker salary throughout the entity. (Note that Musk is about 100,000x the average Tesla worker.)
* No corporate funds spent on election funding, and some objective limit on the amount of lobbying
* and so on

Rules like this would immediately eliminate the worst offenders, yet be completely objective, not singling out any particular company.

NJCher

(38,243 posts)
21. I love this idea
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:52 PM
Nov 26

resident of NJ here. Did you come up with this on your own or is this an idea that's floating around out there and I just happened to miss it.

NJ pays out $10 billion to the rest of the states (except other states, like NY). Any ideas on how we can keep more of our money instead of giving it to anti-Democratic red states?

SunSeeker

(54,064 posts)
5. The old federal EV tax credit worked the same way, Tesla did not qualify.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:36 PM
Nov 26

The old federal EV tax credit only applied to manufacturers who had not yet met a certain quota of EVs sold. Tesla had long ago blown past that EV quota.

Interesting how Eloon didn't complain about that EV tax credit critera the whole 4 years Trump was pResident.

Teslas are now eligible again for that federal tax credit thanks to the green energy components in Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act that Trump wants to get rid of.

Quanto Magnus

(1,035 posts)
33. GM was part of that cap problem too.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:52 PM
Nov 26

I bought in 2020 and missed the cutoff by 2 months. Seemed so arbitrary ending in March of 2020...

Still happy I bought my Bolt

Co-Prez-bro doesn't really care about whether people actually get the credits. He'll take his subsidies though!!

JPK

(693 posts)
40. I bought a 2019 Volt
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 09:49 AM
Nov 27

I've had it a little over a year and I love it. I have spent approximately $150.00 in gas over the last 14 months. It replaced a 4.7L Grand Cherokee that was getting around15 mpg. I spent well over the Volts gas price each month.

Native

(6,676 posts)
6. I hope the blue states decimate Elon until he's screaming in a courtroom louder than Giuliani
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:54 PM
Nov 26

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,277 posts)
7. Stupid Musk moved Tesla out of California in a fit of pique. If he stayed he'd get the California credit
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:07 PM
Nov 26

Ego thought he was tweaking California's nose good and hard but instead he is going to get his butt kicked by tRump when the latter gets tired of his whining and hanging around and upstaging. Starting with the elimination of federal tax credits.


NJCher

(38,243 posts)
24. for a guy who is
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:57 PM
Nov 26

supposed to be smart, he thinks things through like the average republican.

LittleGirl

(8,499 posts)
11. Ha ha
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:48 PM
Nov 26

We’re getting solar in 2025. We will probably buy an EV in 2026 but neither will have Tesla’s name. I will not give one penny to that guy. I live in CA.

maxrandb

(16,005 posts)
16. Stop Buying EFFING TESLAs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:26 PM
Nov 26

JFC! Anyone who buys, uses, quotes, mentions, or glances at that South African Nazi, or the products his businesses create is buying a FUCKING Volkswagen from 1930s Germany!!!

THE MONEY, TWEETS, MENTIONS AND GLANCES ARE FUCKING FUNDING FASCISM!!!!!

Why is this so FUCKING hard to understand?

When I look at a Tesla, I see a German Tank, with the guts of murdered innocents greasing the treads. You should too.

Does America have to be completely destroyed before you remove EVERYTHING Musk touches from your lives?

Seriously, what is it going to take?

Concentration Camps?
Miscarrying women bleeding out?
Armed Nazis in the Streets of our cities?
The National Guard in your neighborhood?

What the fuck will it take for Democrats to STOP GIVING THIS PIECE OF SHIT YOUR MONEY AND YOUR TIME?

orwell

(8,002 posts)
22. I wish I could rec this...
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 26

...10,000 times.

I have been pleading with people for years to stop funding this ketamine addled clown.

There is no higher level of foolishness than paying some asshole to build your future concentration camp.

He told advertisers to go fuck themselves and now they are back advertising?

Is the entire world undergoing some massive case of Stockhausen syndrome?

I'm right there with you max...righteous rant!

Windy Apple

(55 posts)
18. Melon wants to
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:37 PM
Nov 26

…protect his golden goose. The other energy ‘credits’ are his profit center.

orwell

(8,002 posts)
19. The kickback is key to...
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:44 PM
Nov 26

...profitable sales for TSLA.

This asshole has always been grifting the "gubmint". Tesla, Space X, Starlink, all reliant on government largesse.

That's why his trashing of government "waste" is so laughable.

He is one of the main waste collectors.

Good on 'ya Gavin. That's my governor!

jvill

(403 posts)
25. ANYONE giving money to Tesla or Musk for ANYTHING should be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:59 PM
Nov 26

There are plenty of alternatives for everything they offer.

quakerboy

(14,206 posts)
29. why's he worried?
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 05:19 PM
Nov 26

Hes still got many billions in bloated federal contracts that, far as I can tell, make up the majority of his wealth

JohnSJ

(96,813 posts)
31. Enjoy Texas jackass. California bought more Tesla's than every other state, I suspect
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 05:42 PM
Nov 26

that won’t be the case soon enough.

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
34. Reminds me of this all time classic..............
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 08:31 PM
Nov 26


Elon Throws TANTRUM As Newsom NUKES His Plan!



union rep

(20 posts)
36. The Nazi
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 12:23 AM
Nov 27

The Nazi wants what? In your dreams pal Us in California are going to screw you every way we can if it means screwing you, Teslas suck anyway all you suckers who bought one you feeling the heat. You all must be plexing on the freeways wondering is that person antifa they mad at me? Sell them now they were all made with scab labor and the founder is a Nazi. Happy Thanksgiving All

The Madcap

(597 posts)
37. What a crybaby!
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 09:02 AM
Nov 27

He could lose 95% of his money and still live like a king. I just absolutely detest Eloon.

Lithos

(26,466 posts)
41. He wants the credit to go away
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 10:24 AM
Nov 27

He is losing market share day by day. Taking away the credit helps shore up his (temporary) monopoly a little longer as the EV tax credit helps newer companies build out their industrial base and supply chain.

kimbutgar

(23,613 posts)
44. Didn't the muskrat move Tesla operations out of California to Texas?
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 12:34 PM
Nov 27

Let Texas give him tax cuts.

bucolic_frolic

(47,615 posts)
46. Using government to increase competition is a great idea
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 12:37 PM
Nov 27

This is a rather innovative policy if they manage to enact it.

wryter2000

(47,602 posts)
47. Musk vs Newsom
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 12:52 PM
Nov 27

The “genius” has met his match.

If Newsom can convince Californians to not buy Teslas, Musk loses lots of money.

SWBTATTReg

(24,337 posts)
48. You should have though about supporting your California drivers instead of the loser (and you're one of the
Wed Nov 27, 2024, 03:22 PM
Nov 27

biggest losers now by the way, lost almost $200 billion). I have to stop here and laugh for a few minutes. How does someone lose that much money? How? Oh, know! Act like Muskrat for a spell and be dumb and stupid...that's how you lose $200 billion!

Ha ha heh, this is truly funny, you losing all of that money. Obviously, the markets know what they are doing, eh?

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