. . . are you against the ceasefire?

Lebanon started it with shooting thousands of rockets at Israel. Not to mention preparations for their own version of October 7.

History, even current history, is important. Especially to avoid needless antisemite, opps, anti Zionist stereotypes.

Israel escalated it dramatically as the election drew near. Now they are spearheading a ceasefire shortly after their preferred candidate wins? That is not a coincidence.

couldn't find Lebanon on a globe if you put a gun to their heads.

The ceasefire is being "spearheaded" by BIDEN (and Macron).

If only Arabs in Michigan were the Dems' sole problem.

They helped trump win my state.

And no, Lebanon first attacked on Oct 8. It was not "measured". By October 15, Israel had to evacuate 60K people from Northern Israel for their safety. Lebanon has fired at least 2000 rockets and missiles into Israel, with 250 fired just on Sunday. Israel is not "spearheading" the cease fire. The USA under Biden, and France under Macron are the spearheaders.

Until then, there had been 613 deaths in Lebanon since Oct 7 2023. Between 23 and 25 September, another 600 were killed. So, basically, in 3 days, the death toll in Lebanon equalled that of the previous year (which was, of course, already far higher than the death toll in northern Israel then - 49). In the last 2 months, 3,000 have been killed.

https://reliefweb.int/report/lebanon/lebanon-flash-update-27-escalation-hostilities-south-lebanon-20-september-2024
https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/lebanon/lebanon-flash-update-28-escalation-hostilities-south-lebanon-25-september-2024

The displaced people in Lebanon has gone from 110,000 before the pagers to 900,000 now.

So, yes, the timing of this conflict was chosen by Netanyahu.

The attack happened because Hizbollah was constantly attacking N. Israel with drones/missiles/rockets for well over a year, or maybe you haven't been paying attention.

October 7 forward, and the increasing attacks on Lebanon immediately preceding our election.


I think its pretty tough to say Israel was not largely responsible for the escalation with Lebanon in the month or so preceding our election. Prior to that month, skirmishes and measured rocket exchanges were the norm.

Hizbollah escalated the attacks on Israel, not the other way around.

And if that were the case, Israel would not have agreed to a ceasefire so quickly. They would be doing to Lebanon what they are still doing to Gaza (10/7 was inarguably a historic escalation on behalf of Hamas)

but, that said, you have your own opinion, again, one I disagree with but do respect.

In 2012 I was an Obama field organizer in Dearborn Michigan. The Arab American community took me in as one of theirs -largely because I was a Democrat. All I know at this point is that the vast majority of that community is hurting enormously due to the loss of loved ones on a regular basis. My friend there warned me for weeks that Harris would lose Michigan and that the vast majority of polls were underestimating the enormity of the anger in Dearborn. I didnt believe him. People (myself included) just assumed they would go 70-80% for the Democrat like usual. That didn't happen. Dearborn is a place where most people either know somebody directly who has been killed in the conflict, or knows somebody who does.


When Trump took Dearborn, it should be a wake up call to all Democrats that our policy of providing Arms to Israel should be enormously re evaluated. For me, an organizer who saw these people give everything they had to elect Democrats and Obama, it was like a knife to my heart to see everything unfold as it has.

I dont know that calling pager bombs, and the increased displacement from 100,000 to 900,000 people in Lebanon 2 months before an election where Lebanese Americans will be crucial in deciding a major swing state is entirely"blaming Israel for the escalation," but I might be hard pressed not to be, given those attacks prior to that point from Israel seemed unprecedented, and the timing seems suspect.

I always do appreciate you, MarineCombatEngineer, and I appreciate your respect enormously. I try to stay out of these types of discussions these days because the emotional pain can tend to get the better of me. I also disagree with your opinion but respect you enormously.

Like you, I have a very personal bias towards Israel, although our biases may differ, during my looonnnggg Marine career, I met & worked with many IDF members who were very friendly and professional to the core, in fact, it was working with Israeli combat engineer units at Camp Pendleton that I met my late wife who was in the IDF, we connected immediately and the rest is history.

I grieve for all the lost human lives, Israeli/Palestinian/Lebanese, etc., I just wish that all the turmoil, hatred, strife in the ME, and the rest of the world would just go away and humankind could live in peace.

Alas, I know this is a pipe dream, but one can dream.

I don't understand how attacking Lebanon would have influenced the US election. Israel is fighting for her survival, being attacked by Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen. Do you not see how the West's understanding of the narrative has been manuipulated? People are siding with jihadists, the same folks who brought you 9/11. And the Jews run the world, just have a good way of hiding it.

This is just mind-boggling insane--as if any of the Jihadis wouldn't kill any of us in a minute given the chance.

don't you think the timing is suspect?

All those reports of a ceasefire in Gaza -only to be spoiled following other reports of Trump telling Bibi not to do it?

This screams the 1980 Iran helicopter crash all over again. Except with far greater human cost.

The IDF bombing Beirut earlier today wasn't all?

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