Mysterious chemical byproduct in U.S. tap water finally identified
Source: Washington Post
Mysterious chemical byproduct in U.S. tap water finally identified
Scientists discover formula and structure of chlorine-related molecule and urge tests for possible toxicity.
By Carolyn Y. Johnson and Joel Achenbach
November 21, 2024 at 2:00 p.m. EST
A mysterious byproduct of a chemical used to disinfect the tap water of about one-third of Americans has finally been identified, and the international research team behind the discovery is advocating rapid assessment of its potential toxicity.
The research, reported Thursday in the journal Science, does not claim that tap water containing the byproduct is unsafe to drink or that the finding represents any kind of emergency. All water, including bottled water, contains contaminants. (1)
But the discovery of a new and previously unknown chemical, called chloronitramide anion, could have implications for municipal water systems that use a class of chlorine-based disinfectants called chloramines. For decades these disinfectants, derived from the mixture of chlorine and ammonia, have been added to many municipal water supplies to kill bacteria and prevent waterborne illnesses.
We need to investigate it. We dont know the toxicity, said environmental engineer Julian Fairey, an associate professor at the University of Arkansas and lead author of the paper. This work was 40 years in the making in terms of trying to identify the compound, and now that we have identified it, we can delve into how toxic is this thing.
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By Carolyn Y. Johnson
Carolyn Johnson is a science reporter. She previously covered the business of health and the affordability of health care to consumers. follow on X @carolynyjohnson
By Joel Achenbach
Joel Achenbach covers science and politics for the National desk. He has been a staff writer for The Post since 1990. follow on X @JoelAchenbach
(1) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk6749
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2024/11/21/tap-water-byproduct-chloronitramide-anion/
sinkingfeeling
(53,263 posts)Farmer-Rick
(11,538 posts)And force us all to drink Gatorade.
Wounded Bear
(60,849 posts)live love laugh
(14,560 posts)tanyev
(44,753 posts)Naturals so much healthier, you know.
yorkster
(2,523 posts)giardiasis doncha know.
womanofthehills
(9,339 posts)Thankfully, I have my own well and I'm in the Mountains so not any industry to pollute it.
Otherwise, one of the cleanest waters in US is from Arkansas - Mountain Valley Spring Water - best in green glass jars so no plastic in water.
Igel
(36,240 posts)I stopped drinking it when possible. Make a cup of black tea in it and it formed a kind of slick from the tannin and acids in the tea reacting with the metallic cations and other "stuff" in the water.
A lot of well water drawn from the "right" aquifers are still high in As and some heavy metals. (In fact, when you read EPA analyses of X number of water sources and the percentage of those with high concentrations of specific Bad Things, a lot of those draw water from wells. Ground water has its own set of problems.)
C0RI0LANUS
(1,884 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,286 posts)Seems tailor made for ReffnKjr to interfere with. He wants to stop fluoridation, like the whacko John Birchers of the 1950s. He interfered in Samoa and children died.
live love laugh
(14,560 posts)He allowed corporations to dump their chemicals into the waters after Obama had enacted protections.
Whatever they find, it wont matter because hell allow more pollution for profit.
C0RI0LANUS
(1,884 posts)eppur_se_muova
(37,670 posts)C0RI0LANUS
(1,884 posts)Here is Delhi, India with an astronomically devastating AQI.
Citizens complain of daily health problems like asthma, acne, and psoriasis, exacerbated by the toxic smog.
The toxic smog around Delhi is perennial.
Source:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/delhi-air-pollution-live-updates-toxic-air-aqi-level-grap-4-restrictions-schools-private-offices/liveblog/115508462.cms
FakeNoose
(36,025 posts)We'll never go back!
C0RI0LANUS
(1,884 posts)"Nearly two billion children about 93 percent of the worlds children under the age of 15 breathe toxic, putrid air thats so polluted it puts their health and well-being at serious risk, a new report said.
Many of the children die: The United Nations' WHO estimates 600,000 children died in 2016 from lower respiratory infections caused by dirty air."
Source:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/30/air-pollution-93-percent-worlds-children-breath-polluted-air/1811587002/
FakeNoose
(36,025 posts)That's not happening in China, and this photo shows how they are suffering as a result.
C0RI0LANUS
(1,884 posts)JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)but isn't that the recipe for mustard gas, or some other kind of similar toxic agent?
eppur_se_muova
(37,670 posts)Mustard gas -- actually a liquid -- is made from ethylene gas and sulfur dichloride.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_gas
JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)Seems like stuff that shouldn't be mixed together.
eppur_se_muova
(37,670 posts)My bad -- I read the OP too quickly and dropped a couple of syllables.
The toxic species is NITROchloramide anion. This is a somewhat unexpected by-product; it is not added directly or deliberately.
eppur_se_muova
(37,670 posts)That will create dangerous, toxic fumes.
Ammonia and chlorine are mixed together as needed in an on-site reactor and trace amounts used to kill microorganisms in the water, preventing the spread of microbe-borne diseases. Do not try this at home.
JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)I generally try to avoid all chemicals when possible. I'd hate to accidentally poison myself, or my dog
Kali
(55,878 posts)I find it to be much more irritating to eyes, nose, skin than chlorine bleach. go figure.
JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)Fingers crossed!
yellow dahlia
(183 posts)You might be thinking of mixing ammonia and bleach.
There is a common warning that people not mix ammonia with chlorine bleach when doing household cleaning. This can give off chlorine gas, which can be deadly.
I don't get why someone decided to use chlorine gas and ammonia in drinking water, but it sounds like you are not alone in questioning it.
eppur_se_muova
(37,670 posts)Mixing ACID and bleach generates chlorine gas.
Chloramine is toxic, like most disinfectants, but is used to disinfect water supplies because it slowly decomposes. If done right, very little remains in clean tap water by the time it reaches the consumer.
yellow dahlia
(183 posts)JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)I try to avoid all of that stuff, just because I don't always know what I'm doing
cstanleytech
(27,183 posts)JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)Is it just harmful in higher doses, like tequila?
cstanleytech
(27,183 posts)For example you can actually die from drinking to much water to fast.
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eggplant
(4,005 posts)JoseBalow
(5,656 posts)eggplant
(4,005 posts)but it's a REALLY deep well.
speak easy
(10,706 posts)https://www.mass.gov/info-details/arsenic-in-private-well-water-faqs
eggplant
(4,005 posts)We're (a) not near there, and (b) have our water tested. But the point still stands.
womanofthehills
(9,339 posts)The water is coming down from the Mountains - no chemicals. I'm in the middle of NM - no industry, lots of ranches. All the fracking in NM is in SE next to Texas, right above Mexico.I would never live there.
eggplant
(4,005 posts)We have to filter out sulfur, but that's it. We only learned of the depth after we had a pump failure and they pulled it out to replace it. Good lord that was a lot of hose. And apparently it didn't have sulfur issues until someone (nobody knows who) sunk a new well and hit a deposit, contaminating the aquifer. Everyone was pretty pissed off, but we plumbed in a whole-house in-line filter and problem solved.
The other thing that is odd around here is the randomness of how deep you have to go. A house three doors down dug six feet and hit an artesian spring. Go figure.
SidneyR
(127 posts)with bladder cancer. Bad stuff.
cstanleytech
(27,183 posts)Ligyron
(7,910 posts)what about the fish tank at my dr's office? Are they using distilled?
Ligyron
(7,910 posts)Did it for years in my tank, make a mistake and people have lost some very rare and expensive fish.
Oneear
(108 posts)Donald Trump wants to remove the Fluoride in My Town of Cape Girardeau, MO, with Water Pipes from 1914, which Lead as Feeder Lines into Homes, Schools, Businesses, Hospitals, and Nursing Homes. The Question is, with Donald Trump Wanting to defund Water Infrastructure and the Government removing Chemicals from Drinking Water that are outdated, this could make the Water pipe leach
off Lead and other Heavy Metals into the Drinking Water System.