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erronis

(25,151 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 10:21 AM 4 hrs ago

The New York Times Would Like You To Meet This Totally Harmless Tradwife/Heritage Foundation Hack

https://www.wonkette.com/p/the-new-york-times-would-like-you
Robyn Pennacchia


Emma Waters


"A Conservative Role Model for Ending the Fertility Crisis"

That is the actual title of a New York Times profile (gift link) on Heritage Foundation Senior Policy Analyst Emma Waters -- an ideologue in the mold of Phyllis Schlafly, who also famously traveled around the country telling other women to stay home.

It's not the first. As writer Jessica Shortall pointed out on Bluesky yesterday, Waters has been the subject of at least two other New York Times profiles on her quest to replace standard fertility treatments with some bullshit called "restorative reproductive medicine" and downplaying her desire to force other women back to the 1950s: "White House Assesses Ways to Persuade Women to Have More Children," published in April of 2025, and "As Trump Weighs I.V.F., Republicans Back New 'Natural' Approach to Infertility," published in August of 2025.

I guess they figured that after a whole year we'd need a reminder.

Waters and other advocates try to present "restorative reproductive medicine" as some kind of "all natural" approach that takes into account infertility's "root causes." As per the August 2025 article, "[p]hysicians who specialize in the approach analyze patients' diet and exercise habits, while helping them "chart" their menstrual cycles, a process that can help expose certain reproductive health conditions, like endometriosis, that may lead to infertility." (Nota bene: "restorative reproductive medicine is not a recognized medical specialization.)

. . .


Closing paragraph:
I, personally, would like to point out that we do not even have enough ob-gyns for all of the people currently giving birth, particularly in areas run by people who are ideologically aligned with Emma Waters. Areas where it is now even more dangerous to give birth than it used to be, thanks to the anti-abortion laws that force doctors to wait until the last possible minute before providing care to patients in crisis. Also, there are 330,000 to 345,000 children living in foster care in the United States and 10 to 11 million living in poverty. Maybe we should consider taking care of the pregnant people and children we have before we start talking about any "birth rate crisis." Certainly before we start exploring "rolling back the last century of cultural progress" as a viable solution.


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The New York Times Would Like You To Meet This Totally Harmless Tradwife/Heritage Foundation Hack (Original Post) erronis 4 hrs ago OP
Emma Waters is listed as a contributor to the Project 2025 manifesto for destroying democracy. Lonestarblue 3 hrs ago #1
They also want to get rid of no fault divorce Diraven 1 hr ago #23
This is all the beginning of taking away the 19th amendment. sagetea 3 hrs ago #2
True. But it will never happen. Wiz Imp 2 hrs ago #22
Oh, I agree! sagetea 1 hr ago #29
"White House Assesses Ways to Persuade White Women to Have More Children," Ray Bruns 3 hrs ago #3
Exactly. What white bigots fear most is becoming the minority William Seger 2 hrs ago #5
There's a fertilitiy crisis now? WTF. Initech 3 hrs ago #4
(r) incels wonder why their hands don't get pregnant. erronis 2 hrs ago #8
Well when you spend all day inside, watching porn and talking shit about women on podcasts... Initech 2 hrs ago #10
Fertility Crisis. Wednesdays 2 hrs ago #12
Read the novel and you'll understand WHY there was a fertility crisis jmowreader 1 hr ago #27
That's what struck me BaronChocula 1 hr ago #28
My feeling is that men can take the trad wife crap and shove it you know where Stargazer99 2 hrs ago #6
These idgit men claim they want a "trad" wife, mwmisses4289 2 hrs ago #16
Ridiculous moose65 2 hrs ago #7
"... believe they're on a reality show." playing to that orange corpustulence. erronis 2 hrs ago #9
"White House Assesses Ways to Persuade Women to Have More WHITE Children" Wednesdays 2 hrs ago #11
Charting menstrual cycles? mcar 2 hrs ago #13
Women are having fewer children because it cost so much to raise a child to 18 yrs of age. patphil 2 hrs ago #14
NYT loves to publish Liberal Nightmare Fuel. maxsolomon 2 hrs ago #15
Here's how she really looks, before AI fixed her up FakeNoose 2 hrs ago #17
Stephen Miller's wife in 10 years. rubbersole 2 hrs ago #19
Why are they giving her a platform. chowder66 2 hrs ago #18
Really???????? BurnDoubt 2 hrs ago #20
There is no fertility crisis. The earth is still way overpopulated. hamsterjill 2 hrs ago #21
Exactly what the REPUBLICNS want! some_of_us_are_sane 1 hr ago #25
Thank you. hamsterjill 1 hr ago #34
Well said! NNadir 1 hr ago #26
Thank you. hamsterjill 1 hr ago #31
I might add that the current regime's policies have led to a significant decrease in affordable health care. How does Martin68 1 hr ago #24
Links to NYT article TommyT139 1 hr ago #30
"endometriosis" WILL KILL YOU -- that is, it will kill women AverageOldGuy 1 hr ago #32
They must have hit the "hideous her up" button on their AI thingy jmowreader 1 hr ago #33
The GOP needs more little kids to diddle Blue Owl 1 hr ago #35

Lonestarblue

(13,683 posts)
1. Emma Waters is listed as a contributor to the Project 2025 manifesto for destroying democracy.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 11:16 AM
3 hrs ago

The gist of the part relating to a decline in births is that the government should be used to pressure women to forgo college, get married after high school, and immediately start having babies. The message is not to worry about how to support children, just keep having babies. And of course unsaid but since pushed is to submit all decisions to their lord and master husbands because women need to be controlled.

What people like this refuse to recognize is that around 40% of all first marriages end in divorce. How is a woman with no college degree, no work experience, and no guarantee of enough alimony or child support for herself and her multiple children supposed to live. There's a reason 35% of single women raising children live in poverty.

Diraven

(1,972 posts)
23. They also want to get rid of no fault divorce
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:58 PM
1 hr ago

It's not explicitly in project 2025, but it is a Heritage Foundation position.

sagetea

(1,568 posts)
2. This is all the beginning of taking away the 19th amendment.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 11:40 AM
3 hrs ago

That's what they are trying to do. Take away the women's right to vote.


sage

Wiz Imp

(11,031 posts)
22. True. But it will never happen.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:50 PM
2 hrs ago

A new Constitutionl amendment would be needed to rescind the 19th, and such an amendment would have 0 chance of ever passing.

sagetea

(1,568 posts)
29. Oh, I agree!
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:09 PM
1 hr ago

But, they are going to 'test the waters' and skate so close to thin ice, that it will start cracking. Probably. This current government is so predictable.


sage

William Seger

(12,591 posts)
5. Exactly. What white bigots fear most is becoming the minority
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 11:54 AM
2 hrs ago

... which they assume means that they will be treated the way they treat minorities now, as second class citizens.

Initech

(109,784 posts)
10. Well when you spend all day inside, watching porn and talking shit about women on podcasts...
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:01 PM
2 hrs ago

I think the problem with who's getting dates isn't the women.

Wednesdays

(23,582 posts)
12. Fertility Crisis.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:12 PM
2 hrs ago

That was the whole premise behind what happened in The Handmaid's Tale.

jmowreader

(53,594 posts)
27. Read the novel and you'll understand WHY there was a fertility crisis
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:02 PM
1 hr ago

Some time before the Rise of Gilead there was a nuclear war. These men came back to have families and found that they couldn't get their wives pregnant. There were two ways they could have gone.

Way 1: All the men take fertility tests and learn the radiation from the nuclear war has rendered them all sterile. They find a bunch of healthy, attractive men who didn't go to the war and match them to specific Commanders: Commander Joe is 6'1" with brown hair, brown eyes and olive skin, so Savior Frank who is also tall with the same coloration as Commander Joe becomes his sperm donor in the hopes the children would look enough like Commander Joe to be believable.

Way 2: what they did, which didn't work because if you're sterile you're not getting anyone pregnant.

BaronChocula

(5,050 posts)
28. That's what struck me
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:06 PM
1 hr ago

Then after thinking about it I thought maybe they meant to say "solving infertility." Either way, the headline either unobjectively sympathizes with the bias of the subject who is fictionalizing an issue or they don't know how to write a headline.

Stargazer99

(3,620 posts)
6. My feeling is that men can take the trad wife crap and shove it you know where
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 11:55 AM
2 hrs ago

and if you want more children make it supported - no more poverty and support for having children financially and emotionally and stuff the male control crap

moose65

(3,471 posts)
7. Ridiculous
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 11:56 AM
2 hrs ago

Looks like Emma Waters is indeed another Phyllis Schlafly, who traveled around the country and made a career out of telling women they shouldn't have careers. Waters has a JOB at the Heritage Foundation, so she isn't at home raising her kids and letting her husband rule over her, much like Erika Kirk, whose kids lost their father last year, and yet she is going around being onstage everywhere and talking about "merch." These women are playing a role - in fact, it seems like Kirk is constantly performing for the cameras.

I swear, most of these MAGA types literally believe they're on a reality show.

patphil

(9,379 posts)
14. Women are having fewer children because it cost so much to raise a child to 18 yrs of age.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:17 PM
2 hrs ago

Nationwide average is around $300,000.
Single mom's, and there are a lot of them, have to work, which often involves expensive daycare; 200-300 or more a week.
Abortions are illegal in many states, government assistance is drying up, and the cost of living keeps rising.
Being a tradwife only works when your husband is still around and has a good enough job to support the family.

As a result, the percent of US women who never marry or never have children is rising. If the government wants more women to have more children, they'll have to make it financially easier to do so.
Support for children needs to start in prenatal care, and continue through the birth process, up until the child becomes an adult.
Republicans are never going to do this, and yet they want women to do the tradwife thing.

Of course it's more than just having kids, it's about dominating women, and stripping away their rights. My Lutheran brother-in-law had a phrase that covered the republican way they see women, "barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen".

BurnDoubt

(1,976 posts)
20. Really????????
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:36 PM
2 hrs ago

Did they ever ask why?
Who wants to bring children into the World ruled by Republicans and their Plan 9?
Who can afford a mortgage? Who can afford Child Care? Who wants to live under a Christian Dominion?
The reasons go on forever, even if you exclude all the external environmental pressures our civilization has cooked up in its corporate petri dish.
And, here’s just another small thing: our uncontrolled populating has pushed past the ability of our Natural World to support the physical needs of the population as it is.
This is actual madness.

hamsterjill

(18,054 posts)
21. There is no fertility crisis. The earth is still way overpopulated.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:43 PM
2 hrs ago

As the OP points out, talk to me about a birthing crisis when all of the kids in foster care have homes. When no child goes to bed hungry. When all have education and access to medical care. When they are all have a reasonable expectation of a home of their own, a fulfilling and well-paying job, and some happiness when they grow up.

All of this birthing/fertility crap is just another way the crazies are trying to control women. They've been on women over the last two decades to have more kids, and we see it happening. What was "normal" in the 1980's to have no more than two children, is now three and four. They will grow up uneducated and poor because the parent's resources are stretched too thin per child.

Disagree if you want. It is after all, someone's personal choice if they decide to have a bunch of kids. That's not the question here. The question here is - would it be a wise thing to do?

some_of_us_are_sane

(3,919 posts)
25. Exactly what the REPUBLICNS want!
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:00 PM
1 hr ago
"What was "normal" in the 1980's to have no more than two children, is now three and four. They will grow up uneducated and poor because the parent's resources are stretched too thin per child."


Dumb and CONTROLLABLE.

Very astute, hamsterill!


hamsterjill

(18,054 posts)
34. Thank you.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:35 PM
1 hr ago

It is readily apparent in my neck of the woods - South Texas. More and more young women are choosing to be stay-at-home moms and have sometimes six and seven kids. Many choose to homeschool, which I am NOT a fan of. Many have a little side hustle in the home baking cookies or something. That works for about six months, and then they realize it's not all lollipops and rainbows and they aren't making the money they thought they were going to make. Because every other woman is doing the same damn thing!

All of that is their choice. Granted.

But it is a BAD choice.

One of the most notable things is that these women, while unemployed, are not paying into social security even. Much less a retirement account. So unless the dominant male is going to work and put away millions, how in the heck will they ever be able to retire? I realize most aren't thinking about retirement. But it gets here faster than anyone expects. I guess if you have six or seven kids, you expect that they will take care of you in your older years. Bet that's what Jim and Michelle Duggar were thinking at one point, and look how things have turned out for them. LOL The young women in South Texas don't have a reality show with residuals either.

These young people don't contemplate that one spouse might get sick. One might die. One might decide to leave. Most likely the husband who has more contact with the outside world and isn't tired and distraught after a long day of feeding, bathing and teaching a bunch of kids. Then where would the entire family be? The woman with no work experience will be standing in line trying to get the aid that they before so loudly insisted shouldn't be available.

Again, just a bad idea. It's history repeating itself trying to make women dependent on men. It's bullshit.

Martin68

(28,405 posts)
24. I might add that the current regime's policies have led to a significant decrease in affordable health care. How does
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:00 PM
1 hr ago

Waters plan to fund her proposal for "restorative reproductive medicine?" Or is that just for those who can afford it?

AverageOldGuy

(4,422 posts)
32. "endometriosis" WILL KILL YOU -- that is, it will kill women
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:20 PM
1 hr ago

Goddam these people are ignorant.

jmowreader

(53,594 posts)
33. They must have hit the "hideous her up" button on their AI thingy
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:21 PM
1 hr ago

There are a bunch of photos of Emma Waters online, and none of them are this unflattering.

So...let's do some analysis on this lady's claims.

The Hard Right claims there is a "fertility crisis." In their worldview this is exactly accurate: the "right people" - intelligent white women - are not having enough children. Their solution is for the "right people" to become a Servant Woman, get married to a Good Godly Man, take themselves out of the workforce (which, of course, would enable a Good Godly Man to take her job) and have four or five kids which they will then stay home and raise up to be Good Godly Men and Servant Women.

Please ignore the fact that things have gotten so expensive a Good Godly Man and his Servant Woman can't afford to raise kids on one income anymore. Mrs. Waters is living proof of that: the lady who wants other women to drop out of the workforce and raise enough kids to start a football team works and has only one kid.

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