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senseandsensibility

(26,165 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 06:42 PM 20 hrs ago

Breaking from Gavin Newsom

From democracydocket : BREAKING: California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) will introduce new legislation making ballot seizure before they are counted and certified by a state or county official a felony."

Way to go, Gov. Newsom. He's on offense again, just like he was when he put the redistricting proposition on the ballot (and won).

May other Governors follow.

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Breaking from Gavin Newsom (Original Post) senseandsensibility 20 hrs ago OP
We all love our Governor! skylucy 20 hrs ago #1
Oh yes we do senseandsensibility 19 hrs ago #3
K & R.................. Lovie777 20 hrs ago #2
here as well, Marc Elias DoBW 19 hrs ago #4
He'd make a good president. calimary 19 hrs ago #6
He's my favorite so far. llmart 18 hrs ago #10
thats why i reelected him before. AllaN01Bear 17 hrs ago #24
I will definitely give Newsom close consideration. ShazzieB 12 hrs ago #35
His best qualification azureblue 5 hrs ago #39
I'm surprised it wasn't all along! some_of_us_are_sane 18 hrs ago #9
He's been at the vanguard of MAGA 2.0 resistance from Day 1. BannonsLiver 19 hrs ago #5
Every state needs to do this IMMEDIATELY FakeNoose 19 hrs ago #7
You're right. It should not be necessary. hamsterjill 18 hrs ago #19
Kick Exp 19 hrs ago #8
Purple states must take the same steps. oasis 18 hrs ago #11
This would actually probably survive the supremacy clause too SSJVegeta 18 hrs ago #12
Yes, because states are in charge of elections, not the feds. wnylib 17 hrs ago #26
And it is explicitly stated in the constitution. A fact that matters to 5 whole justices so far. SSJVegeta 16 hrs ago #31
LOL popsdenver 11 hrs ago #36
I'm skeptical. TomSlick 18 hrs ago #13
Nope. Article I, Section 4. paleotn 18 hrs ago #15
I don't read Article I, Section 4 that expansively. TomSlick 18 hrs ago #17
Tenth Amendment. paleotn 18 hrs ago #18
That's a better argument TomSlick 18 hrs ago #20
You're retired JAG, in Arkansas, and you're Texas two step dancing MerryBlooms 16 hrs ago #29
The legislation can be written so that a proper judicial warrant would be needed with reason to believe muriel_volestrangler 5 hrs ago #38
Post removed Post removed 18 hrs ago #16
Federal agents are also armed and authorized to shoot someone threatening with a weapon. TomSlick 18 hrs ago #21
depends who gets the drop on who dave99 17 hrs ago #25
Ridiculous and illegal senseandsensibility 18 hrs ago #22
No, that's not how any of this works. MerryBlooms 16 hrs ago #30
Democrats have to be proactive in these treacherous times dlk 18 hrs ago #14
ding. this . AllaN01Bear 17 hrs ago #23
Post removed Post removed 17 hrs ago #27
I don't know who you're talking about senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #28
This is exactly what we need!! Proactive vs reactive!!! Pisces 16 hrs ago #32
He thinks and operates from a broad perspective. Sogo 15 hrs ago #33
THis is good, but completely misss the point Bluetus 13 hrs ago #34
i totally misunderstood the headline orleans 11 hrs ago #37
Leading the way. Martin68 1 hr ago #40
I believe there are now meds for ballot seizures. C Moon 34 min ago #41

senseandsensibility

(26,165 posts)
3. Oh yes we do
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 06:55 PM
19 hrs ago

He is rapidly proving his detractors wrong. They may still be turned off by his "slickness" but he is doing what needs to be done to safeguard our elections.

DoBW

(3,430 posts)
4. here as well, Marc Elias
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:11 PM
19 hrs ago

🚨BREAKING: California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) will introduce new legislation making ballot seizure before they are counted and certified by a state or county official a felony. In a July 4 recorded speech, Newsom was not shy about who the law targets. www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/...

Marc Elias (@marcelias.bsky.social) 2026-07-08T20:40:10.597Z

llmart

(17,797 posts)
10. He's my favorite so far.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:56 PM
18 hrs ago

We certainly have quite a few good Dems who could do a great job. That's a good problem!

ShazzieB

(23,140 posts)
35. I will definitely give Newsom close consideration.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:16 AM
12 hrs ago

I've got my eye on him, but I'm not ready to firmly commit myself to any particular candidate this early in the game. (I want to see the whole field first.)

azureblue

(2,787 posts)
39. His best qualification
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 09:10 AM
5 hrs ago

is that he runs the fourth largest economy in the world, successfully, while doing things to help the people of his state. There is no other candidate that can get even close to that. Add to that, he stands up to Trump and his cronies, and makes them back down...

IF he is elected president, you know he will have to deal with GOP sabotaging from day one. Gavin has a rapid response team in gear, and they have been effective at push back. No matter which Dem gets elected President, the GOP will try to tear them apart, squeaky clean record or not. And THIS is critical to stop at day one.. If the GOP gets a foothold on attacks, it will cripple the president, who will have to spend time just responding to their attacks (See Clinton, Carter, etc.) So we need a president who know show to kick them in the nuts...

While there are candidates with better ideology, Gavin is, practically speaking, the best one out there. If he pairs with AOC for VP, I think he would be unstoppable.. Let's hope.

FakeNoose

(43,302 posts)
7. Every state needs to do this IMMEDIATELY
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:33 PM
19 hrs ago

Who can believe we're so messed up that something like this is even necessary?

hamsterjill

(18,054 posts)
19. You're right. It should not be necessary.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:23 PM
18 hrs ago

I can see Greg Abbott jumping right on this!

[Surely, I don't need a sarcasm emoji.]

SSJVegeta

(3,540 posts)
31. And it is explicitly stated in the constitution. A fact that matters to 5 whole justices so far.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:59 PM
16 hrs ago

popsdenver

(2,894 posts)
36. LOL
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 03:11 AM
11 hrs ago

were you around in the 2000 election??????????????????? I would bet that Al Gore thought that also.........

TomSlick

(13,165 posts)
13. I'm skeptical.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:59 PM
18 hrs ago

If a federal agent seized ballots, I would expect a court to find the state law cannot survive analysis under the supremacy clause. (U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2)

paleotn

(23,231 posts)
15. Nope. Article I, Section 4.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:04 PM
18 hrs ago

Elections are state matters from start to finish, even for federal office. The Constitution only mentions that Congress has some oversight. The executive branch has zip.

TomSlick

(13,165 posts)
17. I don't read Article I, Section 4 that expansively.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:17 PM
18 hrs ago

The section states:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing (choosing) Senators.


I see nothing to prohibit the feds from investigating "voter fraud."

paleotn

(23,231 posts)
18. Tenth Amendment.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:22 PM
18 hrs ago

It doesn't need to be expansive. It's rather clear, no? And prohibition doesn't need to be explicit to have exactly that meaning. If it were, the damn thing would take up volumes.

TomSlick

(13,165 posts)
20. That's a better argument
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:35 PM
18 hrs ago

but I doubt SCOTUS would interpret Amendment X to prohibit federal investigation of "voter fraud."

Would a California officer really try to arrest an FBI agent attempting to seize ballots? If the FBI agent resisted, would a California officer draw a weapon? If an FBI agent drew a weapon, would a California officer shot?

MerryBlooms

(12,653 posts)
29. You're retired JAG, in Arkansas, and you're Texas two step dancing
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:52 PM
16 hrs ago

around this!
You're one heckuva lawyer 🤠😆🫡

muriel_volestrangler

(107,040 posts)
38. The legislation can be written so that a proper judicial warrant would be needed with reason to believe
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 09:09 AM
5 hrs ago

the particular batch of ballots contain the evidence of fraud. Sure, they can *investigate* fraud, but that doesn't mean they can seize ballots without explicit need to take the ballots they have evidence of wrongdoing for (you can investigate a person, but need a warrant to search their property). And it ought to need to be "needs to be seized now, rather than after they've been counted".

Response to TomSlick (Reply #13)

TomSlick

(13,165 posts)
21. Federal agents are also armed and authorized to shoot someone threatening with a weapon.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:37 PM
18 hrs ago

dlk

(13,510 posts)
14. Democrats have to be proactive in these treacherous times
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:03 PM
18 hrs ago

Republicans are moving heaven and earth to steal the next election.

Bravo governor Newsom!

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sogo

(7,364 posts)
33. He thinks and operates from a broad perspective.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:05 PM
15 hrs ago

That's why I think he would be a great President.....

Bluetus

(3,403 posts)
34. THis is good, but completely misss the point
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:05 AM
13 hrs ago

The current attach has nothing to do with seizing ballots after cast and before counting. Surely there must already be felony laws covering that. If not, then by all means put that law on the books.

But what is going on at present is an effort to disenfranchise voters by looking at past ballots and using that as the basis for voter purges. That needs a different kind of felony law. It should be a felony for any person to release ballots to anybody except with a valid court order.

orleans

(37,575 posts)
37. i totally misunderstood the headline
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 03:13 AM
11 hrs ago

i thought it was essentially saying breaking away from gavin newsom
as if you don't like him anymore for whatever reason



i almost didn't click on this thread

it would have been clearer if it said breaking news from gavin newsom
(especially at 2 in the morning! lol)

C Moon

(13,862 posts)
41. I believe there are now meds for ballot seizures.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:18 PM
34 min ago

Proud of Mr. Newsom. Always keeping one step ahead of the evil gop men do.

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