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kentuck

(115,849 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:02 PM 10 hrs ago

If you gave the bottom 300 million people in this country $3,000 each...?

You still would not have a trillion.

You would have $900 billion dollars.

I say that we give those 300 million Americans a check for 3,000 each and just tax one man.

Elon Musk would still have a $100 billion dollars left to play with, and would still be one of the richest men in the world.

It is so obscene.

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If you gave the bottom 300 million people in this country $3,000 each...? (Original Post) kentuck 10 hrs ago OP
Trump's tariffs and gas and general price rizes have applegrove 10 hrs ago #1
It's mostly our tax money anyway Blue Full Moon 10 hrs ago #2
This is a system that just developed through the last 1200 years bucolic_frolic 10 hrs ago #3
If he had more than 2 billion in liquidity, I'd be surprised. haele 10 hrs ago #4
Slightly Different Spin Here ProfessorGAC 10 hrs ago #6
"..the markets would panic..." a very few people now having the financial gravitational pull of a black hole. harumph 9 hrs ago #10
Like 1998. Like 2007. Like..... paleotn 7 hrs ago #32
But he can take out obscene and sweetheart deal loans Aviation Pro 8 hrs ago #18
Torch all the cash. Everyone's. All of it. OC375 10 hrs ago #5
You're saying exactly what I was talking about when 911 hit. slightlv 8 hrs ago #20
I like this particular aspect of the Space X offering. Frasier Balzov 10 hrs ago #7
Are the employees allowed to cash in their windfall or is it just on paper??? nt in2herbs 9 hrs ago #9
Rolling tranches over six months can be resold. Frasier Balzov 9 hrs ago #14
Interesting proposition. Too bad we can't do national level grass roots ballot initiatives. dutch777 10 hrs ago #8
$100 billion??? PatSeg 9 hrs ago #11
To have all that money, and not distribute it to ease pain and suffering Grim Chieftain 9 hrs ago #12
One time in my life I worked for DoD as a contract worker slightlv 8 hrs ago #21
When governments and individuals are valued in the mega dollars . . . Aussie105 9 hrs ago #13
I still think a tactic of the poor (99%) vs the rich (1%) KS Toronado 9 hrs ago #15
Those that invested in this IPO are the ones who are likely to lose. Bev54 9 hrs ago #16
It would be a serious boost to the economy bc poor people would spend it on necessities ms liberty 9 hrs ago #17
Death to trillionaires. N/T Coventina 8 hrs ago #19
lol, I'm limping along on caretaker money for a clinic MerryBlooms 8 hrs ago #22
Sorry, been a really rough week MerryBlooms 8 hrs ago #24
Vent away! You deserve to. So do the rest of us. paleotn 8 hrs ago #29
It's not liquid. QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #23
I'm sure that Musk pays a high tax rate on that $54K annual salary that he collects at SpaceX. OGBuzz 8 hrs ago #25
Their GDP is real. His is paper. A figment of imaginations he can't tap without crashing it. Big difference. paleotn 8 hrs ago #28
Tesla trades 45-60 million shares daily. He can tap as much as he needs without crashing anything. There will be similar OGBuzz 7 hrs ago #31
45 to 60 million in relatively small blocks. That's not the same thing. paleotn 7 hrs ago #33
I'm pretty sure Elon has dozens, if not hundreds of brokers on the payroll. He doesn't have to go large on one trade. OGBuzz 5 hrs ago #37
As stated above, it's not real. paleotn 8 hrs ago #26
Giving the money to everyone won't solve many people's problems LogDog75 8 hrs ago #27
"Corporations are people, my friend" (M.Romney) Seinan Sensei 6 hrs ago #35
I think we kind of saw this already JBTaurus83 7 hrs ago #30
Maybe then we could afford a Universal Healthcare program. Emile 7 hrs ago #34
It's always funny when people say this... WarGamer 6 hrs ago #36
And not only is Elon a trillionaire, it seems like it isn't enough for him. Initech 4 hrs ago #38

applegrove

(133,492 posts)
1. Trump's tariffs and gas and general price rizes have
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:08 PM
10 hrs ago

cost the average American over $3000.

bucolic_frolic

(56,179 posts)
3. This is a system that just developed through the last 1200 years
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:12 PM
10 hrs ago

Some historians say the Crusades and the Knights Templar were organized like banks or corporations. Knights helped move goods and could obtain credits or make deposits on their routes.

The LLCs began the Age of Exploration. Dutch East India Company and similar. Invest in company assets, insulate yourself from liability, hire thugs to conquer the world by whatever means necessary. Early venture capital.

Then came insurance. Lloyd's of London. And the great banking houses from European capitals. Stock exchanges. Everyone wanted to make money, rarely a thought to economic inequality.

haele

(15,675 posts)
4. If he had more than 2 billion in liquidity, I'd be surprised.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:16 PM
10 hrs ago

That is what he'd need available just to do that "good deed" and still maintain the few actual bills he pays on current lifestyle for the rest of the year.

Most of that trillion dollars he claims for himself is leveraged in the debt and differments he took on to become a multi-billionaire.

ProfessorGAC

(77,514 posts)
6. Slightly Different Spin Here
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:28 PM
10 hrs ago

It's not just leverage.
His holdings and cult of "potential" that supports the gross overvaluation of his holdings create a situation where he can't liquidate.
For instance, he owns 20% of TSLA. Their valuation is a bit under $1.3 trillion. (Ignore, for now, that lack of justification for the market value.)
He can't sell any appreciable amount of it, because the markets would panic over him selling his own company's stock, and the price would plummet.
Same with SpaceX & his crypto holdings.
This negatively affects any liquidity because if one can't sell holdings for cash, it is, by definition, not liquid.

harumph

(3,478 posts)
10. "..the markets would panic..." a very few people now having the financial gravitational pull of a black hole.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:24 PM
9 hrs ago

We are prisoners of their whims.

paleotn

(22,965 posts)
32. Like 1998. Like 2007. Like.....
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 09:32 PM
7 hrs ago

The market is irrational short term. Longer term, not so much. I wonder what SpaceX's first "earnings" call will be like?

Aviation Pro

(15,858 posts)
18. But he can take out obscene and sweetheart deal loans
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:00 PM
8 hrs ago

Against his paper assets and they are protected against taxation.

OC375

(1,164 posts)
5. Torch all the cash. Everyone's. All of it.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:24 PM
10 hrs ago

Obviously it’s time for a reset on wealth. It isn’t working.

slightlv

(8,123 posts)
20. You're saying exactly what I was talking about when 911 hit.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:07 PM
8 hrs ago

Saw the future at that point, and it's one I didn't want to be part of. Tried talking to my coworker (a "libertarian" repub), and he couldn't at all understand what I was trying to say. I shake my head, cause they're no smarter now than they were then... maybe even dumber!

Frasier Balzov

(5,151 posts)
7. I like this particular aspect of the Space X offering.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:43 PM
10 hrs ago

A bunch of the employees are millionaires now.

Frasier Balzov

(5,151 posts)
14. Rolling tranches over six months can be resold.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:49 PM
9 hrs ago

Managed liquidity so the sell side of the market doesn't drive the price down.

I imagine many employees will be hanging onto their shares indefinitely.

Those long-term holdings will be marginable, so they can be collateral for borrowings which can support an upgrade to lifestyles with very favorable tax treatment.

dutch777

(5,114 posts)
8. Interesting proposition. Too bad we can't do national level grass roots ballot initiatives.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 06:48 PM
10 hrs ago

PatSeg

(53,847 posts)
11. $100 billion???
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:39 PM
9 hrs ago

For Elon, he wouldn't know how to survive on such a piddling sum. He'd have to start pinching pennies and cutting back on the extras.

Grim Chieftain

(2,230 posts)
12. To have all that money, and not distribute it to ease pain and suffering
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:40 PM
9 hrs ago

is the epitome of evil. When my husband and I still bought lottery tickets, we would talk about causes and charities we would donate money to, not what extravagances we could spend it on, but how we could help others. As I've said many times here, with Democrats, it's about we, with Republicans, it's about me.

slightlv

(8,123 posts)
21. One time in my life I worked for DoD as a contract worker
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:10 PM
8 hrs ago

and actually made good money... high five figures. Stashed away most of it for when the next string of rainy days hit, but I also used some of it to buy tickets to plays, etc... even ones that I didn't want to particularly see. Why? Because for the first time in my life, I could buy tickets for me, my Mom, and my Sister to go and share the experience together. That meant more to me than seeing the show... even CATS... ever could. The fact that I could make *their* lives a little happier. And then, contract was changed to GS and at one of the lowest levels, and hubby lost his contract. That "string of rainy days" hasn't let up yet... (sigh). But man, it was sure fun while it lasted!

Aussie105

(8,282 posts)
13. When governments and individuals are valued in the mega dollars . . .
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:46 PM
9 hrs ago

I always have my doubts.

Too many variables, and cashing in the money is problematic.

Who would buy Tesla for instance, at the current valuation? Nobody!

The current AU $600 in my wallet though, that is real money.

The good thing though, is that when Trump or Musk shuffle off the planet, there will be a fire sale and the real value of their hoardings will quickly become apparent.

KS Toronado

(24,037 posts)
15. I still think a tactic of the poor (99%) vs the rich (1%)
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:54 PM
9 hrs ago

should be used headed into the midterms. Or at least every D running for office needs to talk about
how income inequality is working against them.

Bev54

(13,550 posts)
16. Those that invested in this IPO are the ones who are likely to lose.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:54 PM
9 hrs ago

It is unbelievable people are willing to trust him. Their entire investment is reliant on AI that most, including those who are in the AI business, think is overblown.

ms liberty

(11,439 posts)
17. It would be a serious boost to the economy bc poor people would spend it on necessities
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 07:55 PM
9 hrs ago

The economy did well during the pandemic bc we paid people.

MerryBlooms

(12,504 posts)
22. lol, I'm limping along on caretaker money for a clinic
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:16 PM
8 hrs ago

Who got everything cut this year, because trump ss cola.
My 82 sis who makes too much, to qualify for medicaid for me to get paid, but not much.over. she still has co pay, type 2, sundowners, so, our schedule is messed up. lol
These jerks in charge, who admitted, they don't care? Come spend 1 24hrs in my shoes! The meds shots, suppository, cats, cleaning, yard, head to other client so I can still pay off credit card to move here to take care of my sister.
These millionaires, billionaires, now trillion, have never had to stay up and wipe someone's privates, insert suppository... read Every label on every can or bag she takes off the shelf, and explain why she can't have it, and the ride home. Then the next 2 days
Ugh, these ruch files can kiss my lily white hard working bruised arms, legs, spkut nails, fingers, And especially my Bunions!

MerryBlooms

(12,504 posts)
24. Sorry, been a really rough week
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:21 PM
8 hrs ago

Looking for better days
Have my sister cool with 100's coming
That's really what I cared about
Thanks for letting me vent
Sorry

OGBuzz

(803 posts)
25. I'm sure that Musk pays a high tax rate on that $54K annual salary that he collects at SpaceX.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:35 PM
8 hrs ago

Only 23 countries on earth have a higher GDP than Musk's personal fortune.

paleotn

(22,965 posts)
28. Their GDP is real. His is paper. A figment of imaginations he can't tap without crashing it. Big difference.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:46 PM
8 hrs ago

OGBuzz

(803 posts)
31. Tesla trades 45-60 million shares daily. He can tap as much as he needs without crashing anything. There will be similar
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 09:02 PM
7 hrs ago

volumes traded at SpaceX.

paleotn

(22,965 posts)
33. 45 to 60 million in relatively small blocks. That's not the same thing.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 09:34 PM
7 hrs ago

You're conflating apples with oranges. That's regular activity. Any significant moves by Elmo would be on top of that and would be noticed very, very quickly.

OGBuzz

(803 posts)
37. I'm pretty sure Elon has dozens, if not hundreds of brokers on the payroll. He doesn't have to go large on one trade.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 11:13 PM
5 hrs ago

paleotn

(22,965 posts)
26. As stated above, it's not real.
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:45 PM
8 hrs ago

It's paper. Not money in his pocket. And if he tried to liquefy even a tiny portion, the market would take that as an "oh, shit!" and the stock would plummet. Thing is, not much in this frankenstein company actually makes much money other than maybe Starlink. The rest is hype. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. At least Tesla made cars people bought.

This company makes nothing but stupid claims. And after disappointing earnings cycle after disappointing earnings cycle, the stock will get savaged. May happen sooner than we think. AI data centers in orbit? That's so patently stupid and unworkable it boggles the mind almost as much as the idea of people living for any significant amount of time on Mars. It ain't happening, folks.

LogDog75

(1,424 posts)
27. Giving the money to everyone won't solve many people's problems
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 08:46 PM
8 hrs ago

Instead, the money should be used to change the way our nations economic system runs to reduce the pay equity between the rich, the middle class, and the poor.

First of all, we need to change the tax codes to prevent the wealthy from being able to influence the government on the taxes they pay. They should have no more tax breaks than the average citizen has like individual/married, deduction, SALT deductions, child credit deduction, etc...

Second, we need to increase the taxes on those making over $500,000 raising it in graduated rates where the more you earn the more you pay in taxes. IMO, the highest tax rate should be 75% for federal taxes.

Third, CEOs are limited to 15 times the average pay of their employees. Any amount the CEO and top corporate managers make above the 15 times limit will be taxed at a higher rate.

Fourth, pass a law that saws corporations are not people but are an artificial entity and therefor do not have the same or more rights than a human being. Corporations have limited free speech rights but no rights to influence the federal, state, or local governments on the enactment of laws or taxes.

Undoubtedly, there are more things but the idea is by reforming how our economy and tax polices function from favoring the wealth to the average citizen will benefit everyone at every level. The monies collected from taxing the wealthy and corporations can be used to reinforce the social safety net that has been shredded since the Reagan administration.

Seinan Sensei

(1,695 posts)
35. "Corporations are people, my friend" (M.Romney)
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 10:08 PM
6 hrs ago

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope!

And do-away-with Citizens United.
Yesterday, if possible.

JBTaurus83

(1,770 posts)
30. I think we kind of saw this already
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 09:01 PM
7 hrs ago

During Covid. Every business just knew Americans had some extra cash sitting around and raised their prices. I’m definitely fine with placing a very large tax on that douche bag though.

WarGamer

(18,918 posts)
36. It's always funny when people say this...
Fri Jun 12, 2026, 10:42 PM
6 hrs ago

One... $3000 wouldn't change a thing for 98% of the public... they'd buy a big screen tv a weekend in Vegas or clothing.

SOME would pay bills or tuition... very few.

And the old "Elon can give away XXX"

Elon Musk doesn't have 100B in the bank.

He probably doesn't have ONE billion in the bank.

Musk is probably the least liquid of the top billionaires... no yachts, no mega mansions and no Bugatti.

So when you say... "Musk can give away $XXX you're saying sell stock and if the amount of stock sold is large enough the stock price dips which affects the retirement accounts for regular folks... Even the CLPRS retirement fund invests in Musk led businesses...

Literally, CLPRS... the California State Retirement fund holds 5,000,000 shares of TSLA.

So who gets hurt?

Initech

(109,493 posts)
38. And not only is Elon a trillionaire, it seems like it isn't enough for him.
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 12:16 AM
4 hrs ago

He wants it all. And he's destroying more governments to get it. The man is a fucking monster who deserves nothing but prison time.

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