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mainer

(12,624 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:13 AM Yesterday

Another Marine on Platner:

A powerful read by a former Marine.

Platner understands something that far too many people in politics only understand abstractly. He understands what war does to young men. He understands the cost that is paid long after the speeches are over and the flags have been folded away, and on a personal level, he continues to pay that cost. As do I. As do so many others who swear too much and look back on that time in our lives as the best worst time we ever had. As the time in our lives when we were truly needed by other men we respected. As a time when we were an essential part of a tribe with its own rules, shibboleths, and taboos.
(Snip)

We who have intimately seen ground combat know that every human being carries an animal inside of them. Most of you are fortunate enough never to meet it. A small number of people are forced to. And we learned things about violence, fear, courage, guilt, loyalty, and human nature that cannot be learned in a classroom, a think tank, or a Senate hearing room.

The value of that perspective is not that it makes someone more eager to use force. Quite often, it has the opposite effect. Those who know violence best are frequently the least romantic about it. They understand both its necessity and its cost. They understand that protecting a nation’s borders, interests, and citizens is a fundamental responsibility of government and must be done as effectively as possible, and that this does not mean as cruelly as possible.

What strikes me most about Platner is that he belongs to a tradition the American left has spent, at least the Trump years, searching for without fully realizing it. We have been waiting for our own version of General Grant: a flawed man, imperfect in his personal life, rough around the edges, but willing to fight relentlessly for principles larger than himself.


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Another Marine on Platner: (Original Post) mainer Yesterday OP
I support Democrats gab13by13 Yesterday #1
If WE win the Senate in 2026, I predict they will resign immediately and be replaced before January. House of Roberts Yesterday #7
The speculation is that Alito and maybe Thomas will retire. summer_in_TX 23 hrs ago #19
If those two Traildogbob 20 hrs ago #26
This is getting downright frightening. How can one man own the Supreme Court? Walleye 11 hrs ago #46
Too many stupid and racist white American voters wolfie001 3 hrs ago #50
Oh, I'm sure you're right. But what can we do about it and why haven't we done anything? Walleye 2 hrs ago #52
Exactly ... krkaufman 11 hrs ago #44
Thomas wants to go for the record though Polybius Yesterday #8
Douglas had 36 years, 209 days. RockCreek 20 hrs ago #27
What a f'ing waste of a Supreme Court seat KPN 13 hrs ago #35
Americans are basically honest and law abiding. Trump hates us. Walleye Yesterday #2
Americans below a certain socioeconomic level, yes. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #5
boy thats true from rum running to stock trading Historic NY 23 hrs ago #16
Exactly. But I meant majority of every day Americans are honest Walleye 17 hrs ago #32
Especially the ones that are afraid of going to jail. Dan 14 hrs ago #34
"A democracy that insists on perfection will eventually find itself represented only by people skilled at hiding sop Yesterday #3
Considering Trump is president, we are nowhere near that LisaL Yesterday #4
Only purity Democrats. sop Yesterday #6
If many of Platner's biggest supporters had defended far less flawed Democrats the way they do this guy... W_HAMILTON 21 hrs ago #23
Perfectly said. SamuelAdams 20 hrs ago #28
God - what a mouthful you just spit out there ! Brava ! - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #43
That is for sure!! DFW 6 hrs ago #49
Hear, hear! KPN 13 hrs ago #36
What a great quote! calimary 10 hrs ago #47
This is a fabulous read. Thank you for posting it. I hope it gets read by many people including Dems in Congress now. Nanjeanne Yesterday #9
'Maine had my back': Graham Platner hits the campaign trail amid latest turmoil Passages Yesterday #10
Maine has his back because we know him. mainer Yesterday #12
There are dangerous characters out there, its just that Platner is not even remotely one of them. Passages Yesterday #13
What's the evidence he's changed? EdmondDantes_ 23 hrs ago #17
The "R" word is a product of his generation mainer 23 hrs ago #20
That's the bar now? SamuelAdams 20 hrs ago #29
What do we really know about the private lives of our elected officials? MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #38
And then those same warriors are TOTALLY SMEARED by the commercial media that supports the whole BComplex Yesterday #11
Grant actually passed several progressive bills Blue Full Moon Yesterday #14
I'm glad he wrote that defense. It is so well said. 1WorldHope Yesterday #15
It's a must read. Emile 23 hrs ago #18
You can be a tattooed, deep-voiced, "manly" combat veteran who also goes to therapy and shows up for his neighbors. Passages 22 hrs ago #21
All the reports from the Platner rally, plus the videos circulating, show a raucous crowd and multiple standing ovations Passages 21 hrs ago #22
Fuck Ryan Grim. He was the main driver of the Tara Reade story. W_HAMILTON 21 hrs ago #24
Some define Me Too differently when it comes to allegations. Passages 20 hrs ago #25
Yeah RF Tara Reade high taled it Cha 12 hrs ago #42
Here's the full image from the X post that got some of the text cut off. ShazzieB 6 hrs ago #48
I appreciate that yet I would prefer Democrats spread information from Democrats directly from Twitter Passages 2 hrs ago #51
Vote Blue, no matter who dlk 20 hrs ago #30
But purity! RetiredParatrooper 19 hrs ago #31
This! Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #33
Thanks for posting, I've been back and forth with Platner. But in attempting to understand Abolishinist 13 hrs ago #37
Really beautifully stated mr715 12 hrs ago #39
Well said MustLoveBeagles 12 hrs ago #40
That's an eloquent defense MustLoveBeagles 12 hrs ago #41
So there are democrats admitting they are looking for a male savior? Pris 11 hrs ago #45

gab13by13

(32,923 posts)
1. I support Democrats
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:15 AM
Yesterday

If Magats win the Senate in 2028 I guarantee that Thomas and Alito will resign and we will get much younger versions of them.

House of Roberts

(6,679 posts)
7. If WE win the Senate in 2026, I predict they will resign immediately and be replaced before January.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:09 AM
Yesterday

I doubt Thune needs any tips from McConnell on just how that is done.

summer_in_TX

(4,340 posts)
19. The speculation is that Alito and maybe Thomas will retire.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:56 AM
23 hrs ago

Then Trump will nominate replacements. Thune has stated that the Senate is ready to confirm a replacement for Alito if he does resign.

Traildogbob

(13,225 posts)
26. If those two
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:15 PM
20 hrs ago

Retire, they will be out from under the immunity they have while seated, then “justice” can attempted for their buyouts. I hope. They, like Trump and Natty YaHoo need their positions to avoid prison.
I hope,

wolfie001

(8,085 posts)
50. Too many stupid and racist white American voters
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:23 AM
3 hrs ago

Easily lead around by their nose like a bovine. Hate to be so blunt but there really is no other explanation.

Walleye

(45,665 posts)
52. Oh, I'm sure you're right. But what can we do about it and why haven't we done anything?
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 07:45 AM
2 hrs ago

Are we to assume that all Americans are racist and vindictive like our stupid president?

Polybius

(22,196 posts)
8. Thomas wants to go for the record though
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:11 AM
Yesterday

In the last 75 days, he has overtaken John Marshall, John Paul Stevens, and Stephen Johnson Field. He has moved up from being the 5th longest-serving Justice to the 2nd, with a tenure of 34 years and 226 days. The only one left to surpass is William O. Douglas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices_by_time_in_office

RockCreek

(1,537 posts)
27. Douglas had 36 years, 209 days.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:42 PM
20 hrs ago

So almost 2 years to go, if he cares about the record.
I remember my horror listening to his confirmation hearings. I would have been even more horrified if I had known how long he would last in the position.

KPN

(17,548 posts)
35. What a f'ing waste of a Supreme Court seat
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:25 PM
13 hrs ago

for so many frigging years. He never should have been confirmed — such a failure of government for the benefit of its people, all of its people. Thirty-four plus years! Depressingly disgraceful!

Walleye

(45,665 posts)
2. Americans are basically honest and law abiding. Trump hates us.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:25 AM
Yesterday

I am tired of everybody being treated like criminals. vote Democratic and defend the constitution

sop

(19,607 posts)
3. "A democracy that insists on perfection will eventually find itself represented only by people skilled at hiding
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 07:32 AM
Yesterday

their flaws."

"The question before Maine is not whether Graham Platner is perfect. The question is whether the United States Senate, the state of Maine, and the country as a whole would benefit from having his voice in the room when decisions are made...The answer is yes."

Great commentary. Thanks for posting this.

W_HAMILTON

(10,462 posts)
23. If many of Platner's biggest supporters had defended far less flawed Democrats the way they do this guy...
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 12:32 PM
21 hrs ago

...we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

SamuelAdams

(254 posts)
28. Perfectly said.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:42 PM
20 hrs ago

It's funny listening to people who attacked Gore, Hillary, Biden, Kamala, etc. whining about purity tests.

calimary

(91,113 posts)
47. What a great quote!
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:57 PM
10 hrs ago

I read that whole thing, yesterday. And yet again a second time, today. I may even wind up giving it a third go. It sure hits one outta the ballpark.

Nanjeanne

(6,746 posts)
9. This is a fabulous read. Thank you for posting it. I hope it gets read by many people including Dems in Congress now.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:26 AM
Yesterday

Passages

(4,567 posts)
10. 'Maine had my back': Graham Platner hits the campaign trail amid latest turmoil
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:49 AM
Yesterday

Hundreds of supporters signaled they weren’t phased by the new allegations about his past relationships, giving the Democratic Senate candidate a warm welcome on Friday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/graham-platner-campaign-trail-controversy-maine-rcna348703

mainer

(12,624 posts)
12. Maine has his back because we know him.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:58 AM
Yesterday

We know he's not a Nazi. We know he's gone through rough times and come out a better man. My son went to school with Platner's wife Amy. So yes, we know the man and we do have his back.

Passages

(4,567 posts)
13. There are dangerous characters out there, its just that Platner is not even remotely one of them.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:09 AM
Yesterday

EdmondDantes_

(2,198 posts)
17. What's the evidence he's changed?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:50 AM
23 hrs ago

He was doing ugly things as recently as a few years ago. He's still using retarded as a slur. He's still a big fan of a guy who thinks Israel killed JFK.

You say you know. How do you know? From the outside it feels performative because I don't see the actions.

mainer

(12,624 posts)
20. The "R" word is a product of his generation
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:57 AM
23 hrs ago

When my kids were in high school, the "R" word was regularly used by teenagers as a synonym for idiotic or stupid. The meaning and impact of words change over time. Maybe you're not old enough to remember when we women used to refer to each other as "girls". As in "I'm going out with the girls." Now we get jumped all over on it because it "demeans women."

Are you going to condemn him for simple semantics?

SamuelAdams

(254 posts)
29. That's the bar now?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:46 PM
20 hrs ago

If Trump is on tape using the n-word, that is fine because people of his generation used that word? I'm a gen Xer. My generation used slurs for gay people. Is that still acceptable?

MadameButterfly

(4,220 posts)
38. What do we really know about the private lives of our elected officials?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:51 PM
12 hrs ago

Where's your pure as the driven snow candidate who can also beat Susan Collins?
Do you really think there will ever be a strongly Progressive candidate that the right won't dig up dirt about?
The former girlfriend who made the worst accusations literally wrote the speech Susan Collins gave to justify her vote for Bret Kavanaugh. Do you think she's really worried about how men treat women?


BComplex

(9,992 posts)
11. And then those same warriors are TOTALLY SMEARED by the commercial media that supports the whole
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:54 AM
Yesterday

war machine.

The more the media finds made-up "dirt" on Graham Platner, Bernie Sanders, AOC, Zoran Mamdani....the more I believe Graham Platner and the others. The price they pay to tell the truth is brutal.

Blue Full Moon

(3,714 posts)
14. Grant actually passed several progressive bills
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:18 AM
Yesterday

He was friends with confederate officers who were pall bearers at his funeral. Story I like, was his father was talking to a Senator, the person that was supposed to go to West Point didn't and Grant's father said, what about my son.

1WorldHope

(2,185 posts)
15. I'm glad he wrote that defense. It is so well said.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:39 AM
Yesterday

Instead of putting real people in gov. We keep putting millionaires and we wonder why nothing changes.

Emile

(43,743 posts)
18. It's a must read.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:53 AM
23 hrs ago

I hope everyone on du reads it before throwing more shit about this veteran.

Passages

(4,567 posts)
21. You can be a tattooed, deep-voiced, "manly" combat veteran who also goes to therapy and shows up for his neighbors.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 11:13 AM
22 hrs ago
Those two things go completely hand-in-hand.

And I think it's important to have people who can show that, instead of a vision of masculinity that's hardened, shut off, and angry.


Passages

(4,567 posts)
22. All the reports from the Platner rally, plus the videos circulating, show a raucous crowd and multiple standing ovations
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 12:08 PM
21 hrs ago

The NYT calls it “relatively sedate.”

If you get your news from the Times, stop being stunned when events don’t turn out the way you think they will.


W_HAMILTON

(10,462 posts)
24. Fuck Ryan Grim. He was the main driver of the Tara Reade story.
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 12:40 PM
21 hrs ago

The New York Times has been outted as political shills with double standards for most Democrats, but the same can be said for Ryan Grim.

Cha

(321,113 posts)
42. Yeah RF Tara Reade high taled it
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 09:12 PM
12 hrs ago

to Russia, the last I heard.

My impression is that Grim hates Dems.

ShazzieB

(22,981 posts)
48. Here's the full image from the X post that got some of the text cut off.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 02:51 AM
6 hrs ago

I hate to give Eloon clicks, but I accidentally clicked the X link without meaning to. I figured I might as well post the image here so other people don't have to go to X to see what it says.



.

Passages

(4,567 posts)
51. I appreciate that yet I would prefer Democrats spread information from Democrats directly from Twitter
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 07:27 AM
2 hrs ago

due to the fact that every elected Democrat has an official account. President Obama does as well and posts from his Twitter account often. No reason to allow Musk to create a vacuum of propaganda.



RetiredParatrooper

(257 posts)
31. But purity!
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 01:57 PM
19 hrs ago

We must always have said the proper words and held the proper beliefs!



Get the win, mainer!

Abolishinist

(3,074 posts)
37. Thanks for posting, I've been back and forth with Platner. But in attempting to understand
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:42 PM
13 hrs ago

the tattoo controversy, I kept coming back to this. People often talk about people as if they fit neatly into categories. We create labels, political tribes, social groups, and stereotypes because the human brain naturally looks for patterns. In many ways, that tendency was probably useful throughout our evolution. Quickly deciding whether something was familiar or dangerous was a matter of survival. It was part of our fight-or-flight instinct.

The problem is that while categorization may be efficient, people are far more complex than the groups we place them in. Every individual is the product of thousands of experiences, influences, successes, failures, fears, and opportunities that no one else has lived through in exactly the same way.

I try to remind myself of that when I encounter people whose beliefs or values differ dramatically from my own. I have never served in the military, so I cannot truly know what it feels like to wake up knowing that by the end of the day I might die, or that I might be forced to take another person's life. I had a happy childhood, but many people grew up surrounded by abuse, poverty, instability, or trauma. Others experienced discrimination, violence, or hardships I never faced. Those experiences inevitably shape how people view the world.

Too often, we assume that if someone reaches a different conclusion than we do, it must be because they are ignorant, irrational, or malicious. But many times they are simply seeing the world through a lens forged by experiences we do not share. Their conclusions may be wrong, just as ours may be wrong, but understanding where those conclusions come from is often more valuable than dismissing them outright.

I don't believe we have to agree with everyone. In fact, there are beliefs and actions that should be challenged. But before judging others, it is worth recognizing that we are all operating with incomplete information. We know our own story intimately, but we can only glimpse fragments of everyone else's.

The older I get, the more I realize that understanding another person's viewpoint is not the same thing as endorsing it. It is simply acknowledging that human beings are complicated, and that most of us are shaped far more by our lived experiences than we realize.

MustLoveBeagles

(17,809 posts)
41. That's an eloquent defense
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 08:59 PM
12 hrs ago

It occurs to me that, while I still have issues with him, I may be too harsh in my assessment of him. I'm willing to give him a chance.

Pris

(173 posts)
45. So there are democrats admitting they are looking for a male savior?
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 10:16 PM
11 hrs ago

This is so old fashioned and male oriented.

Women lost their rights in the USA. And Platner (who many fawned over) called women terrible names and blamed women for rape. Female candidates are never admired for being rough around the edges but still fight for principals: Hillary, Kamala, Governor Janet Mills.
Democrats deserve better

"We have been waiting for our own version of General Grant: a flawed man, imperfect in his personal life, rough around the edges, but willing to fight relentlessly for principles larger than himself."

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