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Eko

(10,147 posts)
Fri May 29, 2026, 02:57 AM Friday

In other news, three authoritarian fascists are paraded in effigies in Montreal by anti-fascist groups

drump, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and what appeared to be National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, hung by nooses, were paraded through Montreal on Sunday at an anti-fascist rally, according to videos published on social media by Montreal for Palestine.

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Eko

(10,147 posts)
2. I disagree.
Fri May 29, 2026, 03:05 AM
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But some may want to show respect to the fascists that are ruining the world instead of the disrespect they deserve. Why do they get to kill people all over the world and we cant even make stupid effigies?

Skittles

(173,137 posts)
7. people who believe in the rule of law
Fri May 29, 2026, 03:54 AM
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and don't think that someone like, for example, that gun humping freak Mangione is some kind of fucking "hero"

Eko

(10,147 posts)
8. And what does the rule of law say about making effigies being hanged?
Fri May 29, 2026, 03:57 AM
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Is that illegal or did you just not really mean that?

Skittles

(173,137 posts)
10. yeah that's not promoting violence, not at all
Fri May 29, 2026, 04:22 AM
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RandySF was right not to engage - DONE HERE

Eko

(10,147 posts)
13. So it wasnt about the rule of law for you at all.
Fri May 29, 2026, 05:01 AM
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I find it immensely amusing when people make claims and then when questioned on that refuse to address it, change the subject and then run away. The promoting violence thing is a different argument entirely, one that we could have had but you decided not to for some reason. Probably cause that is a moral one and much harder to argue when the said parties in question have precipitated violence themselves on a large scale. When your argument is that effigies in hanging is a bad thing and the people in effigies have killed over a 100, 000 people, well, that argument just looses its energy. I mean really, knowing that this is going to the extreme would effigies of hitler being hanged promote violence or would it have been just a natural reaction? You are going to have to say no it wouldn't be promoting violence so that leaves a lot of room for it being a moral question which we would actually have to have a conversation on, one which you aren't prepared to argue on behalf of the said effigies. So you are done and I agree.

harumph

(3,435 posts)
19. If you put your foot on a dog's neck, don't be suprised when the dog bites your ankle.
Fri May 29, 2026, 04:52 PM
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It's natural for an animal (or person) in extremis to defend themselves. If a lawful remedy is not available for victims.., more specifically, where the law has been co-opted by the perpetrators, it is natural that victims pursue extrajudicial means. I don't use the term "rights" because self defense transcends rights. Anybody that urges that victims must wait* for a lawful resolution even when the criminals write the laws is at best naive, worse a fool, and at worst, a gaslighter. Rights and laws are sandbags to stop rising water. They work until they impoverish, destroy and disenfranchise and then they fail quite spectacularly.

"Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
Religion is the smile on a dog"

*"In the long run we are all dead"

Eko

(10,147 posts)
5. I'll ask again, Why do they get to kill people all over the world and we cant even make stupid effigies?
Fri May 29, 2026, 03:31 AM
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Eko

(10,147 posts)
9. Waiting for you to do that. The adult thing.
Fri May 29, 2026, 04:07 AM
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The effigies thing is like taking a BB gun to a fight with an A10 Warthog and you are getting mad a those with a BB gun.

AloeVera

(4,457 posts)
11. Death by hanging is barbaric.
Fri May 29, 2026, 04:49 AM
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Isn't it?

NYT headline: Israel Passes Law to Hang Palestinians Convicted of Deadly Attacks
Experts say the law was written in such a way as to ensure that it was unlikely to ever apply to Jewish extremists who commit similar crimes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/30/world/middleeast/israel-death-penalty-palestinians-attacks.html

Convicted by MILITARY courts that have a 96% conviction rate, based on "confessions" obtained under duress or torture, limited appeal and no pardons as provided for under international conventions. Of course the settler-terrorists would be exempt.

People offended by mere hanging-effigies would surely be speaking out against this.

Eko

(10,147 posts)
14. I'm glad that you agree Isreal is acting in barbaric ways.
Fri May 29, 2026, 05:13 AM
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Killing people in some of the worst ways known to man. That would be state sponsored barbarism. I am sure you don't support the people who created the effigies of political people being hanged as that is promoting violence so I can also be 100% sure you don't support the state that is promoting not only violence but barbaric violence and are quite willing to state so here. Right?

IcyPeas

(25,876 posts)
15. Mayor of Montreal doesn't like it. Picture of effigies:
Fri May 29, 2026, 05:13 AM
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Montreal mayor signals rethink of protest limits after hanging effigies

https://www.europesays.com/canada/64060/

The mayor of Montreal has questioned whether police should intervene more forcefully during protests after a downtown demonstration…

(@canada-news.bsky.social) 2026-05-28T01:20:11+00:00

Eko

(10,147 posts)
16. Ah well if the mayor doesnt like it.
Fri May 29, 2026, 05:20 AM
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Who Raises Money for the Mayor of Montreal?
The mayor’s party is backed by real estate developers, big business and the pro-Israel lobby, according to its annual report

Last year, he started donating to Ensemble and eventually filled out the paperwork with Elections Quebec to collect money on the party’s behalf.


In a podcast appearance on the eve of the election, Wolfe claimed Martinez Ferrada’s party was the one that would truly prioritize the safety and well-being of Montreal’s Jewish community. But he also depicted Montreal’s pro-Palestinian movement as an existential threat to Jews in the city.

A policy goal of CJPAC and CIJA is to get the city to adopt the controversial definition of antisemitism promoted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. The IHRA definition considers the use of terms like “settler colonial state” to describe Israel as antisemitism. This despite the fact that the United Nations and International Court of Justice have ruled that Israel’s settlements in the West Bank are illegal and impose Apartheid conditions on Palestinians.

https://therover.ca/who-raises-money-for-the-mayor-of-montreal/

Well, maybe there is more to it than just the surface argument.

GenThePerservering

(3,806 posts)
18. I'm not sure some understand street theater
Fri May 29, 2026, 02:12 PM
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or protest symbolism. It's been done for hundreds of years and is purposely crude and graphic. It has to be as the message needs to clear.

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