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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOhh That's Rich-The Survivalists in SD fighting among themselves
?si=lJdqrA8UbUXrk9m1I think I know a few guys that went to live out there. One was a friend of my husband's and another is a guy I worked with.
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Figarosmom
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pat_k
(13,995 posts)1. Love this bit:
And now the conflicts and complaints are starting to boil over. In fact, their HOA-style disputes have already made it to the state supreme court two times, which I have to say is a pretty awful start if their ultimate goal is to survive dystopia through self-regulation.
The the lawsuits themselves? F-ing priceless!!
Figarosmom
(13,781 posts)2. Yeah i had a good laugh at that too😊
True Libertarians and sovereign citizens. Ha.
hatrack
(65,211 posts)3. Like the Satoshi, but one you can drive away from . . ..
The difficulty in starting a new form of government, said Friedman, was simply a lack of space. All the land on Earth was taken. What they needed was a new frontier, and that frontier was the ocean. Let a thousand nations bloom on the high seas, he proclaimed, with Maoish zeal. He wanted seasteading experiments to start as soon as possible. Within three to six years, he imagined ships being repurposed as floating medical clinics. Within 10 years, he predicted, small communities would be permanently based on platforms out at sea. In a few decades, he hoped there would be floating cities with millions of people pioneering different ways of living together. Politics would be rewritten. The beauty of seasteading was that it offered its inhabitants total freedom and choice. In 2017, Friedman and the seavangelist Joe Quirk wrote a book, Seasteading, in which they described how a seasteading community could constantly rearrange itself according to the choices of those who owned the individual floating units. (Quirk now runs the Seasteading Institute; Friedman remains chair of the board.) Democracy, the two men wrote, would be upgraded to a system whereby the smallest minorities, including the individual, could vote with their houses.
In the decade following Friedmans talk, a variety of attempts to realise his seasteading vision were all thwarted. Seavilization, to use his phrase, remained a fantasy. Then, in October 2020, it seemed his dream might finally come true, when three seasteading enthusiasts bought a 245-metre-long cruise ship called the Pacific Dawn. Grant Romundt, Rüdiger Koch and Chad Elwartowski planned to sail the ship to Panama, where they were based, and park it permanently off the coastline as the centrepiece of a new society trading only in cryptocurrencies. In homage to Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonym of bitcoins mysterious inventor (or inventors), they renamed the ship the MS Satoshi. They hoped it would become home to people just like them: digital nomads, startup founders and early bitcoin adopters.Their vision was utopian, if your idea of utopia is a floating crypto-community in the Caribbean Sea. No longer was seasteading a futuristic ideal; it was, said Romundt, an actual ship. The Satoshi also offered a chance to marry two movements, of crypto-devotees and seasteaders, united by their desire for freedom from convention, regulation, tax. Freedom from the state in all its forms. But converting a cruise ship into a new society proved more challenging than envisaged. The high seas, while appearing borderless and free, are, in fact, some of the most tightly regulated places on Earth. The cruise ship industry in particular is bound by intricate rules. As Romundt put it: We were like, This is just so hard.
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But as the Reddit Q&A continued, Elwartowskis meticulous responses revealed some of the more knotty practicalities of life on board. It turned out that the only cooking facilities would be in the restaurant. For safety reasons, no one was allowed to have a microwave in their rooms though some cabins had mini-fridges, noted Elwartowski, determinedly sidestepping the point. He offered residents a 20% discount at the restaurant and mentioned that some interested cruisers had already talked about renting part of the restaurant kitchen so they could make their own food. We want entrepreneurs to come up with solutions and try them out, he wrote, in a valiant attempt to convert a fairly fundamental stumbling block into wild startup energy. This is your place to try new things. Not all the Redditors were convinced. No microwave but mining rig. Incoherent scam.
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As the crossing continued, questions about how the project would actually work once the Satoshi arrived in Panama grew more pressing. According to Harris, Elwartowski thought he could convince the Panamanian authorities to let the ship anchor permanently in its waters and de-register as a ship, becoming a floating residence instead, so as to avoid some of the more exacting requirements of maritime law. But while Panama was happy to have the ship moored off its coast, it specified that the ship had to remain officially designated as a ship. Which led to another difficulty: the discharge of sewage. Though the ship had an advanced wastewater management system, which could turn sewage into drinking-quality water, they were not permitted to discharge this wastewater into Panamanian waters, and so would have had to sail 12 miles out every 20 days or so to empty tanks into international waters. Such obstacles made the ship an off-putting proposition for insurers. No one would agree to cover them. They wouldnt even tell us why we werent insurable, they just kept saying no, Romundt said. Its kind of hard to remedy something if you dont know what the problem is. Of the several insurance experts I asked about this, none were willing to comment on the case, citing a lack of expertise, presumably because no one had ever tried to insure a cruise ship turned floating crypto-community before. Harris, however, had his theories: that a risk-averse insurance industry was wary of both a bitcoin business and a ship that would presumably be mostly populated by quick-to-litigate Americans.
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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/sep/07/disastrous-voyage-satoshi-cryptocurrency-cruise-ship-seassteading
Figarosmom
(13,781 posts)4. We were like, 'This is just so hard.'"
And of course "quick-to-litigate Americans."
Geez...instead of really working to improve quality of life, they just check out to make a place where they can just do whatever they want. True Libertarians. Grown ass cry babies.
Warpy
(114,722 posts)5. I watched a few videos af paranoid preppers some years ago
when Obama was in office and white terror was at its peak, and I was struck by the elaborate bunkers and the huge amount of guns and ammo but not one of them bragged about his stockpile of antiseptic and bandages.
Or soap.
I stopped after a few videos because I started to feel WAY too sorry for the paranoid, violent, clueless fucks.