First words out of my mouth were, “we lost”. That was just minutes into it.

She's probably not scared, more like "God, please...let this be the one."

That debate was excruciating, and now we live with the consequences of Biden's choices.

President Biden didn't choose Piggy. That's crap.

If Biden had literally suffered a stroke and rendered bedridden, he’d still have legitimately a better candidate than Trump.

Millions of people in this country would have been more qualified to serve as President than Trump. Myself included, and I say that with no pride whatsoever.

I might as well empathize with my faucet.

Melania, to borrow and paraphrase, doesn't really care do u


And, as Kimmel said, she very much has the expectant widow glow. If she weren't a construct of ice and sorrow.

Great title for her biopic.

He was fine the day before and the day after.

Something very odd.

I have formulated another potential theory, subsequently. What about the device that disrupts brain functions? It could be responsible for incidents like the Havana syndrome. It is a secret weapon which became public in the past year.

It would explain the bizarre incident. Here is an article about the device.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-tests-russian-microwave-weapon-havana-syndrome-1784021

No, he was not hit by directed infrasonic waves.

He just fucked up.

I was very cautious to ask a question and posit a possibility, as opposed to making an absolute statement.

You made an absolute statement. What if you're wrong?

I absolutely do not think Joe Biden merely "fucked up". It was a transitory episode. It could have been a medical episode, or it could have been something else. I still don't know.

to explain his debate performance.

That is absurd. Truly. Like, I'm sorry, but if you are entertaining that as a "plausible scenario" I suggest you reevaluate.

And it wasn't a transitory episode. Biden negotiated 1 debate, very early in the season. He was being framed as old of it and frail. Because he looked old and frail. And he was not nearly as press-forward as he had been early in his career.

He had one job - not to fuck up the debate, and he did. No speculation there.

Incidentally, he also had STAGE FOUR cancer which had spread to his bones after the election was over.

Let's not add Havana syndrome to the mix. He is old. He isn't the debater he was in 2020 and certainly not the one he was in 2008.

I couldn't imagine going through life thinking black helicopters are behind everything that goes wrong. We apparently have absolutely zero agency and we only win elections when they forget to cheat or something.

The truth is where people we consider good end up complicated.

The truth is where the country we love turns out to not love us back.

The only good thing about the truth is that it is the truth.

Either a TIA or a secret device that can target brain function. Let's ask Miles Taylor what he thinks of the possibility.

It could have been Pootin. He is likely to possess the capability.

Did you read the article from Reuters, which I provided? There is evidence that Russia possesses the technology.

I do not enjoy futile back and forth baiting. It's a waste of my time and energy. You have a different style of engagement than I do. Have a good night.

They bragged about using one when they kidnapped Maduro.

And again, are we assigning any blame to the Secret Service for the PRESIDENT of the United States getting shot with a beam?

I'm sure they got it from his buddy Putin. They bragged about using it to capture Maduro, so this is not far fetched.

You are claiming that a sitting President was targeted by a brain scrambling beam during a Presidential debate.

That is a bonkers conspiracy theory.

So is bulldozing the Whitehouse, taking over Canada and Greenland, creating a billion dollar fund for criminals, all done by group of pedo's who took over our government

BBL

He was 80. The 2012 Biden that destroyed Paul Ryan was a completely different person.

I can't prove Santa doesn't exist.

I bet you could make a case about Santa.

Be that as it may, you made a definitive statement, and definitive statements require proof, so please cite your source.

Trump is President.


And to your point, *I* can't prove who you haven't slept with. That isn't how logic works. I can't prove a negative and am under no obligation to cite sources when I am not making the extraordinary claim.

I'm saying that history happened how it happened. Biden wasn't hit by a brain laser. He wasn't psychically controlled by Professor X. He wasn't on LSD.

He simply performed terribly at a debate.

In the sea of valid opinions that exist.

I could just as easily say Martians did it and when told that's rather silly, you certainly can't prove there aren't Martians so my theory must be equally valid to any other. We should be better than the same baseless conspiracy theories that vaccines cause autism, the Jewish space lasers, the moon landing was faked, etc.

can be disabled by infrasonic beams during a public debate.

Either that or drugged.

We are supposed to believe that neither Trump nor Putin would stoop to these tactics.
Putin does far worse to his enemies.

Both Putin and Trump were facing prison and bankruptcy if Trump did not get into the WH.

Yes these devices are portable and transported by car.
Other WH officials in the past have been hit with them.

It looks like whatever was done to him was carefully planned.

If it was a drug it was in and out of his system quickly so would not be detected with a blood
test? I am not sure about that end of it.

I know there are some biochemists here on DU with expertise in drugs. They might know.

Are you seriously suggested that such a device impacted Biden, but not Trump?

When they aren't busy exploding or otherwise randomly failing.

There are reports from several individuals about the phenomenon known as the Havana syndrome, including Miles Taylor and Olivia Troye.

Some of us have done some research on these Russian weapons.
Individuals can be targeted and it would have been done before the debate of course.

Americans have been targeted with these weapons. It is a fact.

I just read an article about a journalist who was investigating Epstien's Zorro Ranch who fled the US after a microwave weapon was used on her, and the Trump Adm bragged about using one when they kidnapped Maduro.

A few months ago, when I started reading confirmation of the existence and capabilities of the weapon. I went AHA! I connected it to a possible explanation of what happened at the debate.

Or did many just have blinders on, since his 2024 SOTU was exceptional? I said at the time that he was still brilliant with reading and delivering a speech, but live questioning is a whole different thing.

And he was fine the day before and day after.

I have extensive training and experience in evaluating mental status.
I was shocked at his performance.

My comments hold even if the type of events were different.

That's what makes one wonder.

and over prepared him. But then it was like he was in another dimension.

I am still saying - TIA or secret "device". One can appear to recover quickly from a TIA.

There was nothing close to normal about it, at the time. I was literally screaming out loud - WTF! WTF!

Coincidences take a lot of planning.

One of my cousins is in a high level position at well known federal gov agency (now. retired).
She called me with the same comments you were making right after the debate started.

But with the criminal history of Biden's opponents, the timing, consequences, subsequent events, it is low probability that this was a coincidence.

Which brings us to part two of this mystery.

How did the consequences unfold, where Biden was tossed out on his ear?

I say - fire the strategists. They keep serving up the same canned rhetoric.

Way more than just the strategists.

Some things weren't right. Gotcha.

Yes things don't add up yet.

He was very good at speeches, and memorizing. It's the live questioning that declined, like referring to Harris as Vice President Trump.

There was something very wrong the night of the debate.

I am a retired mental health professional, highly trained and experienced in evaluating
mental status and I know what I saw.

People keep making excuses because the task was a different.
That had nothing to do with what we were seeing.

Also there was something odd about the lighting and camera view of Biden that night.

The two scheduled debates (which only one Biden participanted in) were the earliest in modern history. Why schedule a debate in June? Because they knew. Had the first debate have been September or October and he preformed like this, it would have been way too late to try and get him to do it.

In retrospect, it still was.

He gave a "fiery" response about his mental acumen and confused his sons Beau and Hunter.

It wasn't a one shot thing. He was having trouble for a long time.

The entire reason why the debate was so disastrous was because it affirmed the framing that existed. He had been being handled by consultants and advisors and the only thing that got him out of that bubble was Nancy Pelosi "doing things the easy way or the hard way."

Being "Gish Galloped", a stunning bewilderment at being totally overwhelmed by the Rhetoric of a Debate opponent......

An age old technique designed to just have that effect on your opponent. Plus Biden was extremely tired from a trip to Europe and meetings there....that he had just returned from......

Google: Gish Gallop...............Biden's people who prepared him for debate should have prepared him for it, and how to defend against it...

I don't buy that someone like Trump rattled him.
And that he was surprised by it.

Nope.

And as you say his aides would have practiced with him Trump style.

Also Biden's mental status was much worse than just being rattled.
He was impaired.

One of us is licensed to diagnose, and I am just an amateur.

Some amateurs are good observers of human nature and can make accurate comments.

I take such thoughts from you to be a huge compliment.

I have been accused of being excessively observant.

Being very a very observant child does not always go over well in a family or school setting.

Soul sisters!

So I kept my mouth shut.
Parents were not thrilled either.

I told my religious mother when I was quite young that I did not believe what the nuns were telling me, it made no sense.

I told my USAF father who was flying combat in Viet Nam at the time that I thought the war was wrong and he should stop doing it.

Their shocked looks taught me to stay silent.

the usual response is "WTF?????"....and he couldn't simply step out of the way.

It's funny how so many around here have such a strong hatred for the man.

From a long flight or overseas trip?

I'm not sure. After the debate, one of the narratives was he was at NATO summits and was jetlagged, that he was sick, that he caught covid, etc. etc.

I remember hearing the news talkers saying how he was furiously doing debate prep for his one big debate. I distinctly remember Fox and right wing folks saying they anticipated he would use adderall or cocaine to seem more energetic and were actively lowering expectations for Trump.

It was a tough time.

We would know if it the debate performance came out of the blue or was consistent
with prior behavior.

This was reported at the time. Staff was concerned that Biden wasn’t good enough to debate and they wanted to schedule the debate early so there would be enough time for the party to respond if it went badly. The people that wanted the debate early turned out to be right.

It was so bad, that Joe Biden heard it and he raised his eyebrows at one point.

The stench coming from TSF's ass probably paralyzed Joe Biden.

That debate is in the archives and anyone can hear TSF shitting his pants.

Disclaimer: I work with the elderly and sometimes accidents happen but those accidents don't happen due to years of drug abuse. Noel Casler worked with the TSF during The Apprentice and said TSF shit his pants due to years of drug abuse.

He should've immediately dropped out after that debate.

Why Joe didn't say to Trump, "you're not fit to be president because you tried to overthrow the government witn your MAGA goons" is beyond me. I would have hammered that point over and over again!

just on the choice of anchors. CNN's two most right wing and anti-Biden hosts who refused to fact check Trump.

He shouldn't dignify him with a debate. In retrospect, that would have been wise.

It. It wasn’t fact checking that killed him, he was confusing Trillion with Billions and Millions, and then ended the sentence by saying “We finally beat Medicare.” Which didn’t fit into any part of the topic.

Biden came across as everything he was defending against the previous weeks regarding his age. The top guy needs to be able to handle a debate not avoid it. It just didn’t happen.

But not yet the party’s nominee. Neither was Trump. Plus one of the anchors was writing a book attacking him at the time. That is a gross violation of journalistic ethics.

His dad was taking Ambien a few days before the debate. That could have very much been the cause. It decreases mental alertness.

If he was being given ambien immediately before a debate, it is malpractice. It is a sleeping pill.

He should have been given espresso.

due to being crushed by Biden's masterful debate tactics

necessary

It is in the past. The media will pounce on her statement and exploit it for all it’s worth. Trump will use this to further distract from his problems.

Too many other things to focus on right now.

I mean there was no reason for an incumbent President to have a debate in June. Heck Trump didn’t participate in any of the debates during the Republican primaries so Biden could’ve used that against him. He had nothing to gain from this.

At least the post-debate Annie Leibovitz photo shoot came off without a hitch.

A stroke is potentially fatal and isn’t the kind of thing you wait to see if it goes away on its own.

It was an awful moment, playing out in real time, in front of our eyes....

Well. Ya learn new things all the time.

I have to give a public talk about early intervention strategies with autism in a few weeks.

And now I have to worry about brain lasers. Amazing.

I haven't been this bothered since I learned scorpions live in NorCal (and I still resent the person who told me this).

They have too many hurty parts. A stinger, pincers, and a bite? No thanks.

Plus they look like aliens.

Trump tried to infect him with COVID.

How the M$M feasted on Biden's debate performance like a pack of starving piranhas, but shrugs off Dementia Donny's daily dozings and senseless drivel. Fuck them all.