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Swede

(40,252 posts)
Fri May 15, 2026, 08:49 AM May 15

Hillary - Here are the facts: People have always had and will always have abortions in all 50 states.

What a fine President she would have been.

Here are the facts: People have always had and will always have abortions in all 50 states.

Abortion pills are safe, effective, and have been used by millions of people.

No court or politician can change either of those realities.

Hillary Rodham Clinton (@hillaryclinton.bsky.social) 2026-05-14T21:17:04.973Z
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Hillary - Here are the facts: People have always had and will always have abortions in all 50 states. (Original Post) Swede May 15 OP
Not people Hillary. Women. Women have always had and will always have Autumn May 15 #1
Are women not people? People who aren't women also get abortions. WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #3
Only women are impacted by abortion or the lack of safe abortions. It's not a people thing. Autumn May 15 #4
I can assure you men and nonbinary people also get abortions. WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #5
I can assure you no man has ever had an abortion. Men may be a bystander in a woman's abortion Autumn May 15 #6
Having helped men and nonbinary people get abortions, I feel sorry that you live in such a narrow world. WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #9
so the man had a uterus ? dave99 May 15 #27
some men do WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #45
The only sexual organ that matters for gender identity is the brain. Zelda_Orchid May 16 #49
Only human beings with x only chromosomes can create and carry babies questionseverything May 15 #26
Not true. Pregnancy is possible in women with Swyer syndrome (46,XY) WhiskeyGrinder May 16 #52
Google says they would need a donated egg, if so my point would stand questionseverything May 16 #55
There is a documented study of a woman who had a normal pregnancy with her own eggs with that condition. So no. WhiskeyGrinder May 16 #57
You mean the boxer, right? questionseverything May 16 #58
No, why? WhiskeyGrinder May 16 #59
Just curious as to the " documented" case questionseverything May 16 #60
"." WhiskeyGrinder May 16 #61
Categorically untrue LearnedHand May 15 #20
Do you think anyone reading this edhopper May 15 #7
JK Rowling? nt LexVegas May 15 #11
Egads, I hate that harridan wolfie001 May 16 #48
My whole family can not watch any of the movies based on her work LetMyPeopleVote May 17 #64
This is why Democrats don't win. hamsterjill May 15 #14
I'mWithYou+your statement. I'mWithHer(Hillary) oasis May 15 #30
Post removed Post removed May 15 #32
Oh, ffs. 🙄 QueerDuck May 15 #17
I am late to this thread, howerever I agree with your sentiments. sheshe2 May 26 #66
Women are people Cirsium May 15 #34
I know. QueerDuck May 15 #41
I'm hiring a brass band... Cirsium May 15 #42
Oh dear... lapucelle May 15 #43
Gurl, you always bring the receipts. sheshe2 May 26 #67
The GOP doesn't believe in facts. nt BootinUp May 15 #2
My Favorite Abortion Quiet Em May 15 #8
I think the answer is easier Buckeyeblue May 15 #21
People do, in fact, like abortion. It's a solution that works for them. WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #22
I don't know a single woman who is happy to have Phoenix61 May 15 #28
this is such an ignorant statement electron_blue May 15 #35
How so? nt Phoenix61 May 15 #36
cuz... electron_blue May 16 #54
I stand by what I said. Phoenix61 May 16 #56
You're still missing the point and it seems like you have not been in that situation electron_blue May 16 #62
You're not alone. MorbidButterflyTat May 17 #65
I know many people who were happy to get an abortion and did not find it disruptive. WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #46
Yes!! Hope22 May 15 #38
Thank you Madame President. niyad May 15 #10
I am in my eighties. Abortion was never legal when I was single and birth control was hit or miss. appleannie1 May 15 #12
Also young women who needed abortions and couldn't get them safely FakeNoose May 15 #13
and public hospitals had abortion wards, mopinko May 15 #19
Allow me to recommend a book about that! ShazzieB May 15 #23
i'm old enough to remember those days. fortunately never had to face that myself, but mopinko May 15 #24
Oh my goodness! This is bringing back horrible memories FakeNoose May 15 #37
i find myself always pointed out that the men who make these laws mopinko May 15 #39
Even the Bush family was pro-choice after a family friend died from a back-alley abortion. OMGWTF May 15 #29
I've heard that abortions are on the increase Ilsa May 15 #15
Part of it's the economy, but it's more because the abortion pill protocol makes it easier to end a pregnancy, WhiskeyGrinder May 15 #16
Kitchen tables ... oldsoldierfadingfast May 15 #44
But this is not about reality, it is about the control of women. Other methods have been used and have killed women. efhmc May 15 #18
As usual, Hillary is right dlk May 15 #25
We can do so much better than rusty coathanger abortions,..and then sepsis,.... magicarpet May 15 #31
i'm so grateful for these meds. mopinko May 15 #40
I am stunned by some responses. karynnj May 15 #33
Mahalo to you and Hillary, Swede. Cha May 15 #47
Before modern times, and now again, women will have to "Call Jane" TomWilm May 16 #50
Yes, but only those who are in the upmost echelon should be able to have one. OldBaldy1701E May 16 #51
Hillary intentionally used the word people, likely because of Republicans concerted efforts to dehumanize women dlk May 16 #53
Hillary warned us LetMyPeopleVote May 17 #63

Autumn

(49,032 posts)
1. Not people Hillary. Women. Women have always had and will always have
Fri May 15, 2026, 08:52 AM
May 15

abortions in all 50 states.

Autumn

(49,032 posts)
4. Only women are impacted by abortion or the lack of safe abortions. It's not a people thing.
Fri May 15, 2026, 09:05 AM
May 15

To quote John Lennon. "Only women bleed."

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,297 posts)
5. I can assure you men and nonbinary people also get abortions.
Fri May 15, 2026, 09:09 AM
May 15

Last edited Fri May 15, 2026, 10:12 AM - Edit history (1)

ETA: also, "Only Women Bleed" was an Alice Cooper song about intimate partner violence

Autumn

(49,032 posts)
6. I can assure you no man has ever had an abortion. Men may be a bystander in a woman's abortion
Fri May 15, 2026, 09:22 AM
May 15

but no male has ever had an abortion.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,297 posts)
9. Having helped men and nonbinary people get abortions, I feel sorry that you live in such a narrow world.
Fri May 15, 2026, 09:40 AM
May 15

questionseverything

(12,026 posts)
26. Only human beings with x only chromosomes can create and carry babies
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:27 PM
May 15

No person with a Y chromosome will ever need an abortion

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,297 posts)
57. There is a documented study of a woman who had a normal pregnancy with her own eggs with that condition. So no.
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:27 PM
May 16

questionseverything

(12,026 posts)
58. You mean the boxer, right?
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:33 PM
May 16

Sports should be by chromosomes too

People with x only chromosomes
People with Y chromosomes
And
Mixed or open to either

LearnedHand

(5,631 posts)
20. Categorically untrue
Fri May 15, 2026, 12:53 PM
May 15

Trans men and nonbinary people also get abortions. You’re close to violating DU’s anti-bigotry rules here.

LetMyPeopleVote

(182,930 posts)
64. My whole family can not watch any of the movies based on her work
Sun May 17, 2026, 12:51 PM
May 17

I have not seen any of the later movies. This lady is a sad and sick person

hamsterjill

(17,833 posts)
14. This is why Democrats don't win.
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:59 AM
May 15

Because there's always someone who has to fight over the miniscule details. Pick apart every letter and syllable. We can't ever just unite behind a sentiment.

Did you not KNOW what she meant? The English language is not always perfect.

I apologize, but I am very protective of Hillary. I truly believe she is the smartest person on the planet.

Response to hamsterjill (Reply #14)

Cirsium

(4,159 posts)
42. I'm hiring a brass band...
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:18 PM
May 15

...and organizing a parade. Wonder of all wonders, QueerDuck and I agree on something.

lapucelle

(21,173 posts)
43. Oh dear...
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:38 PM
May 15
Diversity in Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Among Abortion Patients

[The Guttmacher Institute's] most recent Abortion Patient Survey provides data on a national sample of 6,674 individuals who obtained an abortion at 56 health care facilities across the United States in 2021–2022 (see Methodology below for more details).

Some 1.1% of respondents reported their gender identity as something other than woman or female: 0.7% identified as gender nonbinary, 0.3% as transgender male and 0.1% as something else. Sixteen percent of respondents reported their sexuality as nonheterosexual: 12% said they were bisexual, 2% pansexual, 0.3% lesbian and 2% something else. Most respondents who identified as something other than cisgender also reported that they were not heterosexual.

Applying the overall proportion of respondents who identified as LGBTQ+ to the number of total abortions nationally in 2020 indicates that as many as 149,000 individuals who obtained abortion care that year identified as something other than cisgender and/or heterosexual.

https://www.guttmacher.org/2023/06/many-16-people-having-abortions-do-not-identify-heterosexual-women


Quiet Em

(3,115 posts)
8. My Favorite Abortion
Fri May 15, 2026, 09:39 AM
May 15
This week, U.S. Rep. Brandon Gill asked an understandably confused American University scholar to name her “favorite type of abortion.” Law professor Jessica Waters went before a House Judiciary subcommittee to talk about the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act; instead, she was questioned by a visibly pleased with himself Texas lawmaker who clearly crafted his question to be a viral social media moment.

When you see Rep. Gill’s shit-eating grin, you’ll know exactly who he is.

Since Rep. Gill is so interested in our favorite types of abortions, I thought I’d share a few of mine.

My favorite type of abortion is the one that prevents a raped ten-year-old from breaking her pelvis in childbirth.

I also like abortions that keep women from carrying dead fetuses for weeks on end, which is what happened to Marlena Stell in Rep. Gill’s home state of Texas.

My favorite abortions are the kind that stop women from going septic, or prevent 28-year-olds from losing both of their fallopian tubes.

Another favorite? The abortion that means a Texas 21-year-old won’t be forced to carry a fetus developing without a head.

I like the abortion that means a pregnant mother of five with cervical cancer doesn’t have to beg a hospital panel for chemotherapy.

I like the abortion that doesn’t force a woman to travel far from home when faced with a fatal fetal abnormality.

I really like the abortion that stops patients from having to plead for help in videos made in hospital parking lots.


more favorites at link https://jessica.substack.com/p/my-favorite-abortion

Buckeyeblue

(6,449 posts)
21. I think the answer is easier
Fri May 15, 2026, 01:41 PM
May 15

No one likes abortion. It means something went wrong. Regardless of the reason, many people need to have an abortion, which is why it needs to be legal and accessible.

Phoenix61

(18,903 posts)
28. I don't know a single woman who is happy to have
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:34 PM
May 15

had the procedure. Yes, they are happy they had the option but they would much rather have not gotten pregnant in the first place.

electron_blue

(3,629 posts)
54. cuz...
Sat May 16, 2026, 10:14 AM
May 16

you probably do know someone, in fact, who was happy to get an abortion but they didn't share it with you. There is so much societal pressure to go along with the "nobody likes abortion" trope but when we treat abortion like the healthcare it is, then it can be viewed in a nonjudgmental light.

Another reason I thought your statement about them would have rather not have been pregnant at all showed ignorance is that many people who have abortions, in fact, really wanted to be pregnant but something went wrong. Like a missed miscarriage/fetal death, tubal pregnancy, molar pregnancy, the mother's health or life is at risk.

Phoenix61

(18,903 posts)
56. I stand by what I said.
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:00 PM
May 16

A woman whose pregnancy goes horribly wrong isn't happy about that. What she wanted was a healthy pregnancy that ended with the birth of a healthy baby. So yes, when the pregnancy test came back positive she was happy but what followed was immense sorrow and grief. You don't think she'd rather that hadn't happened at all? That if she'd been given the choice of not getting pregnant or getting pregnant only to lose the pregnancy she'd chose that?

Hope22

(4,923 posts)
38. Yes!!
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:09 PM
May 15

All of these! People can be so ignorant! But let it happen to someone they loves and oh my!

appleannie1

(5,479 posts)
12. I am in my eighties. Abortion was never legal when I was single and birth control was hit or miss.
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:41 AM
May 15

I honestly believe there were a lot more abortions back then than there have been since abortion was made legal. The main problem besides not being safe is illegal abortions cost cash, a commodity poorer people don't have. That forces women without money to use self-inflicted methods. The jackasses in the GOP are too dumb to realize what a can of worms they just opened but they don't give a crap. Lording over women makes them feel manly.

FakeNoose

(42,657 posts)
13. Also young women who needed abortions and couldn't get them safely
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:49 AM
May 15

There were no pills then, they had to undergo surgery with unsafe conditions. It was a terrible time before the Roe v. Wade ruling, and many girls/women died as a result.

mopinko

(74,089 posts)
19. and public hospitals had abortion wards,
Fri May 15, 2026, 12:37 PM
May 15

filled w women who developed sepsis, or who’s abortion was incomplete, and needed a d&c.
didnt have them in private hospitals, esp catholic 1s.
the 1 in cook co hospital was notorious for the stench. i’m sure most were.

ShazzieB

(22,967 posts)
23. Allow me to recommend a book about that!
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:01 PM
May 15

The title is The Worst of Times, and the author is Patricia G. Miller. It was published in 1993 and has been out of print for a while now, but there are still used copies floating around that can easily be found online wherever used books are sold. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about what abortion was like in this country pre-Roe.

This book is not for the faint of heart; there are stories in it that will curl your hair. But this information has never been more vitally important than it is now.

From the jacket blurb:

All the oceans of verbiage and tons of newsprint on the subject of abortion boil down to one simple question. That question is not whether we will have abortions but what kind of abortions we will have. It is a question framed in stark human terms in Patricia Miller's The Worst of Times, which introduces us to dozens of ordinary Americans who have had firsthand experience with illegal abortion: women who survived the pain, humiliation, shame, and terror; motherless children of women who died; doctors who treated the terrible consequences of botched abortions; the abortionists themselves - barbers, midwives, mechanics; and the cops, coroners, and DAs charged with upholding the law. Abortion is a complex issue, but it is not an issue that exists abstractly in the eyes of ethicists or theologians. It is an issue that exists in the flesh - in the flesh of women with complicated lives and large responsibilities and a whole web of personal, familial, and moral concerns. As The Worst of Times makes powerfully and painfully clear, it is a question that women must be allowed to answer for themselves.


mopinko

(74,089 posts)
24. i'm old enough to remember those days. fortunately never had to face that myself, but
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:16 PM
May 15

had friends who did. my small town was lucky, there was an obgyn who did them ‘on the qt’. (everyone knew). but he was very spendy.
it was legal in wis in those days and there was a weekly bus to a clinic over the state line. had a friend who did that, and bled like crazy when she got back. they did a crappy job, and she cd do nothing but cross her fingers and hope. the public hospital probably did more than they admitted. you couldnt get a d&c for a miscarriage at the catholic hospital unless u were married. even then, they grilled u while u bled.

i remember very well when the very catholic president of the cook co board woke up 1 morning and decreed there wd b no more abortions at cook co hospital, even for botched abortions. they closed down the ward. have often wondered how many women died cuz of that man.

i knew more than a few girls and women who wd have ended pregnancies if it werent for the stigma, including my sister. they kicked her out of catholic school as soon as they found out she was pg. 🙄🙄🙄
i went to the same school and had a nun who hated ME for it.

FakeNoose

(42,657 posts)
37. Oh my goodness! This is bringing back horrible memories
Fri May 15, 2026, 06:14 PM
May 15

I grew up in Saint Louis - not too far from Chicago. (I live in Pittsburgh now, but my early days were spent in St. Louis.) I hadn't come of age, so we younger girls were told NOTHING! Until we found out too late and some of us were stuck. Others were lucky and there was a complete unfairness and inequity to the whole entire thing. If the young woman's family was rich, they had a way to "save" their daughters.

It was an awful time and we can NEVER GO BACK!!! We can't allow the younger generation to endure this!

mopinko

(74,089 posts)
39. i find myself always pointed out that the men who make these laws
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:36 PM
May 15

will never b stuck w raising a child they dont want. their wives, mistresses and daughters will always b able to get abortions.
always.

OMGWTF

(5,239 posts)
29. Even the Bush family was pro-choice after a family friend died from a back-alley abortion.
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:39 PM
May 15

More proof that Rethuglicans DGAF about anyone else until it affects them.

Ilsa

(64,643 posts)
15. I've heard that abortions are on the increase
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:20 AM
May 15

over the last ten years. I'm guessing that women can't get access to birth control because of closed clinics. I haven't checked to see if rape statistics are up. And I suspect the unsteady economy has people wondering if they shod delay having kids or simply avoid it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,297 posts)
16. Part of it's the economy, but it's more because the abortion pill protocol makes it easier to end a pregnancy,
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:23 AM
May 15

especially in places where it's hard to get to a clinic.

44. Kitchen tables ...
Fri May 15, 2026, 10:49 PM
May 15

clothes hangers, canning tongs, forks, no sterility, hemorrhage. After that, we got them in the ER and if the were lucky, their lives were saved.
So many were NOT lucky.

efhmc

(17,069 posts)
18. But this is not about reality, it is about the control of women. Other methods have been used and have killed women.
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:37 AM
May 15

dlk

(13,381 posts)
25. As usual, Hillary is right
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:22 PM
May 15

Unfortunately, it won’t deter Republicans from their endless efforts to punish women for getting pregnant.

magicarpet

(19,519 posts)
31. We can do so much better than rusty coathanger abortions,..and then sepsis,....
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:55 PM
May 15

.... but that is where the Fascists want for our society to be. Putting women in danger ? Oh well,... just have the baby as God planned. Family Planning is God's job,... but not woman's and not man's.

mopinko

(74,089 posts)
40. i'm so grateful for these meds.
Fri May 15, 2026, 07:38 PM
May 15

w/o medication abortions, we’d b in the middle of an absolute bloodbath.

karynnj

(61,162 posts)
33. I am stunned by some responses.
Fri May 15, 2026, 04:49 PM
May 15

Last edited Fri May 15, 2026, 07:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Yesterday when I saw Hillary's post, I read it to my husband because I loved how accurate, concise and on target those 2 short sentences were.

Neither of us even remotely questioned the use of the word people. This is a winning message. Any one who came of age before Roe v Wade understands the second even if we didn't know anyone harmed by it.

Cha

(321,021 posts)
47. Mahalo to you and Hillary, Swede.
Fri May 15, 2026, 11:48 PM
May 15


Hillary would have been a brilliant president. Too bad there was so much gaslighting hate against her by 3rd party liars.

TomWilm

(1,971 posts)
50. Before modern times, and now again, women will have to "Call Jane"
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:38 AM
May 16

Movie from 2022: "Call Jane" .
A housewife is faced with a devastating diagnosis when her second pregnancy leads to a life-threatening condition. She has nowhere to turn until she meets a group of women who will risk everything to help.


OldBaldy1701E

(11,670 posts)
51. Yes, but only those who are in the upmost echelon should be able to have one.
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:39 AM
May 16

The rest have to keep the machine running and that takes bodies!



Besides, how dare you lowly scum think that you can do whatever the rich do! Who the hell do you think you are?

dlk

(13,381 posts)
53. Hillary intentionally used the word people, likely because of Republicans concerted efforts to dehumanize women
Sat May 16, 2026, 08:17 AM
May 16

We are living the nightmare of revenge of the women-haters. Maternal mortality is up. Women are dying.

How does nitpicking verbiage help anyone?

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