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mainer

(12,569 posts)
Fri May 1, 2026, 02:04 PM Friday

"You're being lied to about Graham Platner"

Reading through Platner’s many hundreds of anonymous comments, it’s hard to paint him as a secret white supremacist or far-right extremist of any kind. In fact, his posts more or less align with the persona he has presented to voters in the two months since he launched his campaign: a rough-around-the-edges military veteran and oyster farmer with a penchant for crude language and a passion for firearms and sustainable living who holds a variety of standard progressive views alongside some heterodox ones...
(snip)

Platner’s Reddit archive contains thousands of comments over more than a decade, and it is possible to single out many of them to accuse him of any number of unflattering things. This is, in fact, exactly what seems to be happening in the media coverage of his posts, in which Platner is simultaneously portrayed as both a bigoted, far-right reactionary, and a dangerous left-wing radical.

But read in their totality, Platner’s posts paint a different picture of the candidate: someone who, far from a secret fascist, was openly and passionately opposed to fascism; who held a variety of typical progressive views even as he expressed himself in ways many liberals would regard as crass and offensive; who sympathizes with rural Americans despite being vehemently opposed to many of the candidates they vote for; and who was disillusioned with and radicalized against the system by US wars.

Platner, in other words, comes off as a flawed, complicated, and sometimes contradictory human being whose political views don’t always fit neatly into a box. In that, he resembles millions of Americans — including some of the exact voter demographics that American liberals say they want to win back, yet seemingly can’t help but vilify.



https://jacobin.com/2025/10/platner-maine-senate-reddit-media
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"You're being lied to about Graham Platner" (Original Post) mainer Friday OP
Platner knows the truth about the robber barons and Wall Street. This is why the POB will oppose PatrickforB Friday #1
What does POB mean? ShazzieB Friday #15
I think they meant the PTB, ie (the) Powers That Be Celerity Friday #16
Okay, that makes sense! ShazzieB Friday #36
Jon Stewart with Graham Platner - 1 1/2 hr person to person interview. magicarpet Friday #55
That interview really impressed me. ShazzieB Saturday #72
Why Platner NOW.....? magicarpet Saturday #87
Let's make them the TPTSNB "The powers that should never be." GreenWave Friday #41
LOL, I'm sorry! That is me being full of you-know-what. I meant powers that be. As in PatrickforB Friday #23
Thanks! ShazzieB Friday #38
All these random and often obscure acronyms PatSeg 23 hrs ago #147
Also the nazi tattoo thing is misleading SSJVegeta Friday #2
Do they also know that millions of Americans have had tattoos removed TheProle Friday #5
He's had it covered with a new tattoo. Fiendish Thingy Friday #7
Thanks for the correction, FT TheProle Friday #8
Only when it became an election liability wackadoo wabbit Friday #63
And Maine voters seem perfectly happy to elect him as the Democratic nominee. Nt Fiendish Thingy Friday #64
70 million Americans voted for Trump, not sure how happily. displacedvermoter Saturday #78
People who served in the Marines knew in 2007 that a totenkopf was an unacceptable tattoo. Platner himself would have WhiskeyGrinder Friday #12
Also unauthorized in the NG RetiredParatrooper Friday #14
Interesting, I was under the impression he had shopped around NG units until he found someone to write a very generous WhiskeyGrinder Friday #28
Do you know what this is? RetiredParatrooper Friday #51
It does track. ShazzieB Friday #35
If he had the SS runes, it would be a different matter RetiredParatrooper Friday #49
Not really. No. Talk tonsomebody who served in his unit or an adjacent one. SSJVegeta Friday #17
"Talk tonsomebody who served in his unit or an adjacent one." Are there interviews with people he's served with? WhiskeyGrinder Friday #30
There are plenty enough probably on this site (not necessarily from his unit) but SSJVegeta Friday #34
Oh I didn't mean culture-wise. I'm very familiar with that. I just meant is there was anyone who could vouch for him as WhiskeyGrinder Friday #39
Yeah in that case you are right. Nobody has publicly come out and endorsed him who served in his unit (AFAIK). SSJVegeta Friday #46
Shoot, Eko Friday #62
Probably a nazi unfit for office and will never learn SSJVegeta Saturday #69
Many years ago in my late 30's I went Tree Lady Friday #37
They have a very "work hard play hard" culture -especially the 3/8ths (3rd battallion 8th Marines)) SSJVegeta Friday #42
Your making me think of lecture Tree Lady Friday #45
Regiment RetiredParatrooper Saturday #131
And if the reports that he referred to it as "my totenkopf" is true? EdmondDantes_ Friday #48
Yes. SSJVegeta Friday #50
Ah yes the ever funny "I'm a nazi" joke EdmondDantes_ Saturday #73
Yes. Totally. I guess it is better to let the GOP control the senate SSJVegeta Saturday #83
Sorry, some principles go above party id EdmondDantes_ Saturday #89
That's Politico for you. AloeVera Friday #61
AloeVera you are always quite sharp mr715 Saturday #93
Very kind of you. Thank you. I think I'm just naturally suspicious lol! AloeVera Saturday #130
No. nt Cha Yesterday #136
My first duty station was at Montford Point, Camp Lejeune. Dyedinthewoolliberal Saturday #70
Anybody's better than "Concerned" Collins Ritabert Friday #3
To put it frankly, yes. SSJVegeta Friday #9
She needs to be voted out. Pathetic. Ritabert Friday #10
And despite the many complaints, Fetterman's a lot better than having Mehmet Oz in the Senate. sop Friday #21
Not much, but yes, he is. n/t PatrickforB Friday #24
From 'Progressive Punch': sop Friday #32
I have a feeling he's worried because his wife was an undocumented migrant from Brazil Ritabert Friday #44
His brain is pudding. mr715 Saturday #115
It sure seems like it. Ritabert Saturday #121
Angus King is not a Democrat he is an Independent. sheshe2 Saturday #99
This is a question I've had for a while. mr715 Saturday #114
Here is a chart you might find helpful. sheshe2 Saturday #116
But what of votes for leadership? mr715 Saturday #117
You are welcome. sheshe2 Saturday #118
Dan Osborne mr715 Saturday #119
I really didn't know anything about the man sheshe2 Saturday #122
Yet he is preferable to the alternative. mr715 Saturday #123
I will take your word for it as I don't know anything about him. sheshe2 Saturday #126
Thanks, she... I may need this in the future. Cha Yesterday #137
Lapucelle posted the link to me. sheshe2 Yesterday #144
And Platner is better than Fetterman still SSJVegeta Friday #52
It's funny how they pick and choose who to apply their strict litmus tests to. W_HAMILTON Friday #4
Like The People, he's flawed, imperfect, passionate. Liberal elites "vilify" The People, "crass and offensive." betsuni Friday #11
like misogyny Skittles Friday #59
Yes, that sticks out as much as the white male billionaire Nixie Yesterday #135
Hilarious. Yeah, that went right Cha Yesterday #138
Thanks for bringing facts and reason to the discussion. Nt Fiendish Thingy Friday #6
It's funny how the ones always screaming Purity Test Emile Friday #56
Emile... they don't care about purity tests. mr715 Saturday #97
Platner's not perfect, but there is no such thing as the perfect candidate. He is however, a strong candidate to oppose Fil1957 Friday #13
Shockingly, MorbidButterflyTat Friday #18
Nothing about his comment about Blacks being bad tippers, either. He was 29 years old at the time... QueerDuck Friday #22
This is an insightful and important comment to consider. SSJVegeta Friday #54
Comments from social media forwarded to me excuse those revolting comments niyad Friday #26
or how he laughs at those who call him a liberal. mercuryblues Friday #43
of course not Skittles Friday #58
Branko thinks he can gaslight people on Graham Platner Quiet Em Friday #60
Agree - but that said, it is time accept that he is the Dem nominee RandomNumbers Saturday #71
I understand or accept that Platner is likely to be the Democratic nominee, he isn't yet, but he is likely Quiet Em Saturday #75
You don't have to accept or ignore ... but I would ask RandomNumbers Saturday #76
I absolutely understand the importance of flipping this Maine Senate seat blue Quiet Em Saturday #79
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #81
Platner is the strong favorite, with one poll showing him leading with 46% support compared to 4% for Costello Emile Saturday #82
Wait-a-sec... mr715 Saturday #94
Is this your understanding of what I wrote? Quiet Em Saturday #100
No, we should not. mr715 Saturday #101
How many times do I have to say that I agree he is the likely nominee? Quiet Em Saturday #104
You are not the person I am taking issue with. mr715 Saturday #105
there is another possibility here. nt msongs Friday #19
Jacobin. QueerDuck Friday #20
Oh, No wonder... I didn't notice it Cha Yesterday #139
Just got an email from Bernie Sanders. "How did Graham win?" usonian Friday #25
There's always someone crafting their edges bucolic_frolic Friday #27
Jacobin helped get Trump elected in 2016. johnp3907 Friday #29
I don't want swong19104 Friday #31
Things are very seldom black/white good/bad. People need to be taken as a whole. Martin Eden Friday #33
Everyone needs to remain vigilant about Politicub Friday #40
The "VoteBlue no matter who" crowd certainly seems upset by him nt Rob H. Friday #47
Hmmm. I wonder if the Totenkopf tattoo has anything to do with it. Or the misogynistic comments, or the ... QueerDuck Friday #53
The Five Stages of Graham Sympthsical Saturday #65
I mean my acceptance started at the passive aggressive and quickly morphed into full fledged support SSJVegeta Saturday #66
It's kind of interesting to think about Sympthsical Saturday #67
Well said! SSJVegeta Saturday #68
The Real Five Stages of Platner MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #80
If I got a tattoo and didn't know what it meant or what it depicted SidneyR Saturday #84
Stage 6: Inauguration. mr715 Saturday #92
Do you care more about that than health care for the poor and dying? Sympthsical Saturday #95
But but but purity tests. mr715 Saturday #96
It's faux purity Sympthsical Saturday #106
See that is the thing... mr715 Saturday #112
Can I get an amen up in here Sympthsical Saturday #129
Thank you. mr715 Saturday #132
Even his comments on Jen Psaki's show miss the point. Nixie Yesterday #134
Brava. Nixie.. Mic Drop! Cha Yesterday #142
Precisely! Thank you... Cha Yesterday #140
And condescendingly told we're being lied to when we see a person's own words and actions for ourselves. betsuni Yesterday #141
"My purity test is no purity tests!!" mr715 Saturday #86
I'll agree his views "don't fit in a box" Skittles Friday #57
There is an unfortunate strain of misogyny Skittles jfz9580m Saturday #124
don't even get me started on BS Skittles Saturday #125
What about ass kicking lessons??? jfz9580m Saturday #127
Has he ever explained why he voted for Susan Collins? Nixie Saturday #74
Give it up. mr715 Saturday #90
It was posted somewhere here. He thought she was a 'moderate'. RandomNumbers Saturday #102
Welcome to Maine ThreeNoSeep Saturday #103
Ayah. eShirl Saturday #111
Then why does he seem to run more against Democrats than Nixie Yesterday #133
maybe watch more than one clip of him eShirl Yesterday #143
So the words are not consistent from him? Nixie 23 hrs ago #145
I'm beginning to think some people would prefer conservative Susan over Platner. We have Emile Saturday #77
Having Fetterman (D) in the Senate is actually better than having Dr. Oz thought crime Saturday #85
Yes. mr715 Saturday #88
Simultaneity Quanto Magnus Saturday #91
Got an email from Senator Wyden yesterday asking me to consider contributing to Platner. Good enough for me. Wyden's KPN Saturday #98
So somehow I've been out of the loop with this entire topic ecstatic Saturday #107
Thanks for this. nt LAS14 Saturday #109
You don't gotta like it, but Platner is the Dem nominee duckworth969 Saturday #108
If he were to lose... mr715 Saturday #113
Wait a young Marine doing something really stupid when they were drunk? gay texan Saturday #110
He has a quote indicating he takes climate change seriously jfz9580m Saturday #120
I love Cory Booker JustAnotherGen Saturday #128
I've been skeptical of Platner Happy Hoosier 23 hrs ago #146
As a Mainer, I personally know people here who've vetted him mainer 21 hrs ago #148

PatrickforB

(15,498 posts)
1. Platner knows the truth about the robber barons and Wall Street. This is why the POB will oppose
Fri May 1, 2026, 02:51 PM
Friday

him in this way all the way to the election. None of the billionaire parasites or Wall Street financiers or right wing think tanks want anyone knowing what Graham knows and talking like Graham does near the Capitol.

It might cut into Wall Street PROFITS, don'tcha know! Can't have that...

magicarpet

(19,180 posts)
55. Jon Stewart with Graham Platner - 1 1/2 hr person to person interview.
Fri May 1, 2026, 06:15 PM
Friday

The ReThug party will dump major money on this campaign.

Susan Collins is the senior Senator from Maine. She has served six terms,... amounting to 36 years she has warmed that seat.

The GOPee figures if they plow enough money into this race they can keep Collins' head above water and above the fray, and eventually drag her across the finish line again.

Be prepared to see/experience a nasty mud fight. Right-wing pacs will spend a boat load of money to trash and put Graham Platner in the most negative light possible.

Do not fall for the Fascist bullshit,... it wil! be relentless.

Look deep into Graham Platner's background. He is not bidding his various indiscretions or his past. Remember we are human beings none of us are perfect or infallible. Planner walks the walk and talks the talk. It is astounding when you see his super macho man history. But the guy came out of the dark tunnel of his youth and surfaced a true blue honest to goodness progressive liberal. The guy is genuine from the heart. He is so eager to get deeper in the game of politics. He goal is to effect change and bring America to a better place. He has the drive and the gumption to pull it off.

Don't forget he comes with a few flaws,... but to be honest don't we all.

Look in to his background,.. acquaint yourself with who he really is. Look into his youth. Follow him on his growing up phase. His fears... His ambitions,.. His goals. It is all there on the web to see.

Sourced Wikipedia - Platner page,...


Graham Cunningham Platner (born September 1, 1984) is an American oyster farmer and Marine Corps veteran who is a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2026 U.S. Senate election in Maine, seeking to challenge incumbent Republican senator Susan Collins.

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Graham Platner

Platner in 2025
Personal details
Born
Graham Cunningham Platner
September 1, 1984 (age 41)
Blue Hill, Maine, US
Party
Democratic
Spouse
Amy Gertner ​ m. 2024)​
Relations
Warren Platner (grandfather)
Education
George Washington University (attended)
Occupation
Oyster farmerharbormaster
Website
Campaign website
Military service
Branch/service
United States Marine Corps
Maryland National Guard
Years of service
2003–2007
2010–2011[1]
Rank
Sergeant[2]
Battles/wars
Iraq War
War in Afghanistan
Graham Platner's voice
Duration: 30 seconds.0:30
Platner criticizing the Democratic Party's corporate donors and backers
Recorded December 20, 2025
After graduating from high school in 2003, Platner enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps and served eight years, including three combat tours in Iraq, later joining the Maryland Army National Guard and deploying to Afghanistan before leaving military service in 2016 and returning to Maine. In 2018, he worked as a State Department security contractor before entering the oyster farming business, taking over a Maine operation in 2020 and later becoming active in local government. He announced his candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2025.

Graham Platner's Wikipedia page,... link below,....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Platner

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Jon Stewart,... Weekly Show podcast,.. 1 + 1/2 hours of a person to person interview with Graham Platner.


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ShazzieB

(22,803 posts)
72. That interview really impressed me.
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:59 AM
Saturday

Jon Stewart seems really impressed by him, too.

Also, I understand he's been endorsed by both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. That says a lot, imo.

magicarpet

(19,180 posts)
87. Why Platner NOW.....?
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:07 PM
Saturday

.... need of the common women and men. This is what Senator Sanders and E. Warren recognize in Planner and why they gave him their full endorsement.

We need to breakup the monopolistic powers of the monied classes here in America. Deconstruct the status quo that really only serves the benefits of the monies class. Rocking the boat and making waves is long past due. Off shoring manufacturing decimated the blue collar classes. As did making the unionization of the workforce much more difficult to nearly impossible. The advent of robotic factories and manufacturing will be another blow to blue collar workers while pulling another rug out from under them.

Now comes Artificial Intelligence computer systems and data bases so that computers and machines can do human thinking for them. These Artificial Intelligence platforms will now decimate the professional and white collar workforces leaving many without their well paying jobs to support their families.

The road ahead does not look pleasant for America's white collar, professional collar, upper to lower middle classes, blue collar and upper and lower poorer classes of our citizens. We must rapidly revamp, rebuild, reconstruct, and reconfigure our hyper capitalistic system. At the rapid pace of "advancement" we are going we are rapidly severing and disconnecting large segments of our society from their ability to make their financial ends meet and cover their day to day basic needs.

This will inevitably invite social discord, up risings, and major social strife.
A more aggressive stance to deal with these coming issues would be a very wise course of action to take,... Like PRONTO.

Status quo thinking moved to the back burners of the stove with settings set on low. Progressive & provocative thinking moved to the front burners with the setting set on high full blast. The turmoil hyper capitalism is currently bringing to the lives of American citizenry is not to be trifled with, it is not a parlor joke. It is tearing apart and decimating our society. It is questionable whether or country can endure much more of,.. before something or large groups of citizens upraisings, riot, and/or explode. We must bring experts and caring individuals alike to Washington DC to grapple on to these issues and deliver resolution to these growing and compounding social, cultural, and policy - difficulties.

Americans have proven again and again in the past that they have an astounding ability to collaborate and work together in unison to bring closure to various problems and difficulties that confront us. History is calling, kicking & screaming, cavorting, cajoling, and imploring for us to get our shit together and do so once again.

Will we answer the call,... or will we quickly transfer the call to the ignore section of our messaging system ?

PatrickforB

(15,498 posts)
23. LOL, I'm sorry! That is me being full of you-know-what. I meant powers that be. As in
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:51 PM
Friday

the elites who rule the corporate media, Wall Street, the SuperPacs, think tanks like Heritage and Cato, not to mention ALEC. Should have typed 'TPTB' or 'PTB.'

ShazzieB

(22,803 posts)
38. Thanks!
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:33 PM
Friday

I did think of that but I see abbreviations that I don't recogbize every day, so I didn't want to assume.

PatSeg

(53,362 posts)
147. All these random and often obscure acronyms
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:07 AM
23 hrs ago

are getting old already. It's not that hard to just spell out the words, certainly easier than readers doing lookups on Google. We have language for a reason.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
2. Also the nazi tattoo thing is misleading
Fri May 1, 2026, 02:52 PM
Friday

People who served in the marines in Camp Lejeune know all to well the culture of drunk stupidity and getting a tattoo they know nothing about...

TheProle

(4,040 posts)
5. Do they also know that millions of Americans have had tattoos removed
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:03 PM
Friday

and there are hundreds, if not thousands, of locations who can do this?

Fiendish Thingy

(23,800 posts)
7. He's had it covered with a new tattoo.
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:08 PM
Friday

In some cases it’s easier and cheaper to do a cover up rather than a removal.

Pete Davidson reportedly spent over $200k getting most of his removed.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,307 posts)
63. Only when it became an election liability
Fri May 1, 2026, 09:47 PM
Friday

He was perfectly happy to keep it for something like 18 years before that.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,163 posts)
12. People who served in the Marines knew in 2007 that a totenkopf was an unacceptable tattoo. Platner himself would have
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:16 PM
Friday

known it because his tattoos would have been reviewed when he tried to return to active duty in 2009. He could have had it removed but chose to keep it and switch to the National Guard instead.

RetiredParatrooper

(211 posts)
14. Also unauthorized in the NG
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:19 PM
Friday

So, no.

Further, being drunk and getting a skull tattoo tracks. Also, knowing what a Totenkopf tattoo actually is and looks like is rather niche knowledge, except among actual Nazis/Neo-Nazis.

If you want to call the man a Nazi, don't beat around the bush.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,163 posts)
28. Interesting, I was under the impression he had shopped around NG units until he found someone to write a very generous
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:05 PM
Friday

waiver. So did he get it in the Guard?

Also, knowing what a Totenkopf tattoo actually is and looks like is rather niche knowledge, except among actual Nazis/Neo-Nazis.
It's not that niche. It's a plot point in of the most popular reaction gifs out there.



If you want to call the man a Nazi, don't beat around the bush.
I've called him a nazi before. I don't think he's an actual nazi. I think he's an utter dumbass, though, and unfit to be a senator.

ShazzieB

(22,803 posts)
35. It does track.
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:29 PM
Friday

I am inclined to cut some slack for a tattoo someone got when they were young and drunk. Especially since he had enough sense to get it covered up when he realized it was problematic.

I also agree about the desth's head/Nazi association being omewhat niche knowledge. When I heard he had a Nazi tattoo, I assumed it was a swastika or maybe the SS double lightning bolt runes.

I had to do some research just now to find out exactly what the totenkopf used by Nazis looks like, and one thing I found out is that it's not just a skull, with or without crossbones. It's a very specific rendition of a skull and bones that is distinct in many ways from the kind you might see on a Halloween costume pirate hat. (I won't post a pic here, but anyone who wants to know what it looked like can easily find out by googling .)

If that is what Platner's tattoo originally looked like, I'd say getting it was a pretty big oops, but assuming he knew exactly what it was is a stretch, imo. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would look at it and think "Pirates, arrrrr!" rather than recognizing it as a Nazi symbol. Unfortunately, those who know what a totenkopf is won't be able to unsee the Nazi association, so covering it up was a good idea, imo. Completely removing it would be even better, but that's a lot more expensive as well as time coneuming.

RetiredParatrooper

(211 posts)
49. If he had the SS runes, it would be a different matter
Fri May 1, 2026, 05:18 PM
Friday

The lightning bolts you mentioned are the 'runes'. The 'before' tattoo does not have them, so it is ambiguous. The 'death's head' badge worn by the German army (Heer) armored troops in WWII was very similar. Thus, yes, it is a niche thing.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
17. Not really. No. Talk tonsomebody who served in his unit or an adjacent one.
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:30 PM
Friday

They dont actually give thorough formal briefings on these things. I served in the Army myself and can attest to that.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,163 posts)
30. "Talk tonsomebody who served in his unit or an adjacent one." Are there interviews with people he's served with?
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:09 PM
Friday

I've looked but haven't seen any. I may have missed them.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
34. There are plenty enough probably on this site (not necessarily from his unit) but
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:27 PM
Friday

People who served in the marines and know the culture enough to be far more credible than you and I. I started an OP to see if they respond: https://democraticunderground.com/100221212750

That being said I do know somebody who served adjacent to his unit at around the same time and knows the culture well. He says it is overwhelmingly common for people to do. That insight in itself has completely transformed how I feel about Platner.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,163 posts)
39. Oh I didn't mean culture-wise. I'm very familiar with that. I just meant is there was anyone who could vouch for him as
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:41 PM
Friday

a person.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
46. Yeah in that case you are right. Nobody has publicly come out and endorsed him who served in his unit (AFAIK).
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:51 PM
Friday

The closest I can find is Ruben Gallego who served adjacent to his unit at the exact same time in 2005 as a Marine. He was one of the first major figures to endorse Platner's Senate campaign.

Eko

(10,043 posts)
62. Shoot,
Fri May 1, 2026, 09:13 PM
Friday

I had a marine around that time argue with me that a M1 Garand was a machine gun cause that was what the M stood for.

Tree Lady

(13,366 posts)
37. Many years ago in my late 30's I went
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:31 PM
Friday

To Vegas with a bunch of people for work, I worked in travel and made reservations at a lot of the hotels there, we went to have tours of them. One night late at night after a lot of drinking we ended up at tattoo parlor middle of night where everyone but me got a tattoo. I took taxi back to hotel, but boy did they pour on the peer pressure and I came closest in my life to getting one.

So I can just imagine marines and the whole macho thing.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
42. They have a very "work hard play hard" culture -especially the 3/8ths (3rd battallion 8th Marines))
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:45 PM
Friday

Last edited Sat May 2, 2026, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)

But I can also attest from my time in the army that military culture in itself is pretty irresponsible off duty.

There's a reason this weekend safety brief has become a staple of military leaders:


"Don't add to the population. Don't subtract from the population. And stay out of the newspaper, hospital and jail."

Tree Lady

(13,366 posts)
45. Your making me think of lecture
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:50 PM
Friday

My daughter just gave my grandson who is going to senior prom tonight in Texas.

She has always been worried if her sons got a girl pregnant Texas would force a baby. So her lecture was on sex and drinking but did say if you drink call me for ride don't care how late.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
50. Yes.
Fri May 1, 2026, 05:20 PM
Friday

The reports originating from an anonymous source are that he said those words years later as a joke -before he admitted he knew what it was still, but nonetheless well after he got them.

EdmondDantes_

(2,002 posts)
73. Ah yes the ever funny "I'm a nazi" joke
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:01 AM
Saturday

But in that account he still knew what the tattoo was and didn't get rid of it. I will never understand how that's not a problem to some people. Growth is good, but if it's only done when it's convenient, that's not likely to be growth.

EdmondDantes_

(2,002 posts)
89. Sorry, some principles go above party id
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:13 PM
Saturday

I wasn't good with keeping Swalwell or Franken either.

That nobody can point to anything he's done over the last 20 years that demonstrates he either was never the sort of person who would knowingly get a nazi tattoo or if he used to be that he's changed is hard to ignore for me.

That he blamed women for being raped is hard to ignore for me.

That he used retarded as a slur during the campaign is hard to ignore for me

That he told an antisemitic YouTube host that he's a long time fan is hard to ignore for me.

Obviously your mileage varies and you believe his words today. Maybe I'm a cynic, but I have found actions are required to believe people have fundamentally changed. I haven't seen or heard of his actions demonstrating a change.

AloeVera

(4,354 posts)
61. That's Politico for you.
Fri May 1, 2026, 06:40 PM
Friday

One anonymous "acquaintance" told this to Jewish Insider but was not willing to go on record due to the "sensitive nature" of the issue. Lol. This acquaintance sure has a sharp memory of what was said during those booze-filled nights by someone who was not even a friend, at a bar, over a decade ago. 'MmmOK.

And Politico ran with this "journalism" without any independent verification.

The knives are out for Platner, clearly.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
93. AloeVera you are always quite sharp
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:42 PM
Saturday

Much sharper than the knives coming out for Platner.

AloeVera

(4,354 posts)
130. Very kind of you. Thank you. I think I'm just naturally suspicious lol!
Sat May 2, 2026, 07:52 PM
Saturday

But I do have a nose for sniffing out gaslighting and shady, self-serving narratives and "explanations" in the media and elsewhere. It's a tough job but...


Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,227 posts)
70. My first duty station was at Montford Point, Camp Lejeune.
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:39 AM
Saturday

While I did resist the lure of the tattoo gods, I certainly held up my end of the drunk stupidity thing...........

sop

(19,115 posts)
21. And despite the many complaints, Fetterman's a lot better than having Mehmet Oz in the Senate.
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:47 PM
Friday

sop

(19,115 posts)
32. From 'Progressive Punch':
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:12 PM
Friday

Warner, King, Shaheen, Hassan and Fetterman have the worst "progressive" voting scores among Democratic senators. Of these five senators, Fetterman is the only one representing a "swing state."

I suspect Fetterman receives so much vitriol from progressive Democrats because he publicly supports Trump on a number of very unpopular issues, and he seems to enjoy doing so. He also ran as a much more progressive candidate, so voters feel betrayed.

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Ritabert

(2,558 posts)
44. I have a feeling he's worried because his wife was an undocumented migrant from Brazil
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:50 PM
Friday

She's a citizen now but who knows?

mr715

(3,986 posts)
115. His brain is pudding.
Sat May 2, 2026, 04:22 PM
Saturday

And there are stories that his wife is pissed and worried about his statements.

sheshe2

(98,185 posts)
99. Angus King is not a Democrat he is an Independent.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:10 PM
Saturday

He tends to vote with D's from time to time but he is NOT a Democrat.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
114. This is a question I've had for a while.
Sat May 2, 2026, 04:17 PM
Saturday

I think it is Dan Osborne who said he would caucus with neither the Democrats nor the Republicans, and be an independent.

What does that mean for votes for leadership?

Do you suspect such an independent would vote, independently, for a Democrat or a Republican and then not be part of the caucus? Or would such a person abstain from voting for leadership in the first place? Or would they, by virtue of their "independence", make a claim for leadership itself?

Then the political question of it is the former, are they not a de facto Democrat a la Bernie Sanders or Angus King?

I would appreciate your learned insight.

sheshe2

(98,185 posts)
116. Here is a chart you might find helpful.
Sat May 2, 2026, 04:59 PM
Saturday
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?x=7&y=3&house=senate&party=&sort=crucial-current&order=down

You will see that Sanders votes more often with Dems than King.

I am happy to say that my two Senators are at the top of the list!

As for your question
Then the political question of it is the former, are they not a de facto Democrat a la Bernie Sanders or Angus King?


I would say no; they are not a defacto Democrat otherwise they would run as one for their Senate seat. My guess is they do not wish to be tied to a single party and therefore claim their independence of said title.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
117. But what of votes for leadership?
Sat May 2, 2026, 05:04 PM
Saturday

Thank you for this chart. It is the type of thing I find very interesting. I love simple hierarchies and lists.

Both Sanders and King caucus with the Democrats, though.

What if an independent was not a member of a caucus? People have explicitly run for election promising to caucus with neither party. Do you think that means they would vote for no leader? Or themselves?

sheshe2

(98,185 posts)
118. You are welcome.
Sat May 2, 2026, 05:18 PM
Saturday

Lapucelle posted the chart to me. It is informative.

I hadn't heard of anyone doing this. Do you happen to have names of those that did?

People have explicitly run for election promising to caucus with neither party.


Since this is news to me, I have no clue how they would vote.

Do you think that means they would vote for no leader? Or themselves?


mr715

(3,986 posts)
119. Dan Osborne
Sat May 2, 2026, 05:23 PM
Saturday
https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/05/15/dan-osborn-spurns-democrats-other-parties-whose-help-he-sought-in-senate-race/

This article says he "has not decided" who he will caucus with. That is different than what I thought, which was that he had actively stated he would caucus with no party.

However, my hypothetical still stands. What are your thoughts?


~MR

sheshe2

(98,185 posts)
122. I really didn't know anything about the man
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:40 PM
Saturday

before reading your link, he sounds like an ass. Take Dem money and then abandon them.

Your question presumes he will win and my take from the article is that Dem voters feel betrayed and he has no chance of a win without their support/votes. That makes your question moot point.

betsuni

(29,223 posts)
11. Like The People, he's flawed, imperfect, passionate. Liberal elites "vilify" The People, "crass and offensive."
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:15 PM
Friday

Us vs Them. THEY are lying to you!!!! It is a diabolical conspiracy.

Nixie

(18,084 posts)
135. Yes, that sticks out as much as the white male billionaire
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:11 AM
Yesterday

running for governor in California that is being endorsed now. Billionaires are okay after all.

Emile

(42,993 posts)
56. It's funny how the ones always screaming Purity Test
Fri May 1, 2026, 06:20 PM
Friday

are the ones giving Platner a purity test.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
97. Emile... they don't care about purity tests.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:03 PM
Saturday

It is a buzzword that is arbitrarily applied to support Democratic leadership when it does something problematic and to undermine populist candidates when they speak to the party.

I am not looking for a prophet. I am looking for a vote for Majority Leader.

Fil1957

(809 posts)
13. Platner's not perfect, but there is no such thing as the perfect candidate. He is however, a strong candidate to oppose
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:18 PM
Friday

Concerned Collins. If would be nice if the Democratic establishment would read the room, understand the moment and strongly support him.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,698 posts)
18. Shockingly,
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:33 PM
Friday

there's no mention of his posts admonishing women to watch their alcohol consumption or risk getting raped.

Or, probably not shocking at all.

QueerDuck

(1,913 posts)
22. Nothing about his comment about Blacks being bad tippers, either. He was 29 years old at the time...
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:49 PM
Friday

... when he posted it. Now that hardly qualifies as an angsty/rebellious teen's words... nor is it a "youthful" indiscreet comment... nor is it or blurting something out in a drunken bullshitting session with friends at the bar. He had time to think and type and know that the words were being published and out there for the world to see. --- Sigh. I'm with Maya Angelou on this... I believe who people are the first time they show me.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
54. This is an insightful and important comment to consider.
Fri May 1, 2026, 06:05 PM
Friday

Thank you!

I agree that people should be believed the first time they tell you who they are. But I also believe they can change (not excusing behavior but acknowledging their potential for growth).

I also dont believe this is the first time he told us who he is. He made clear to the world in his announcement that he is a fairly belligerent, bad mouthed no filter Marine veteran with many regrets who still makes mistakes. His reddit comments reflect that he is still capable of making the same mistakes, but also that he has had time to reflect and grow so that his mistakes are more likely to be new and not old. (That being said his views on anti racism as part of this growth and DEI are probably quite important. If you find me anywhere that shows he has recently in the last year tried to popularize himself off anti DEI fervor, I will still support him in my mind for a Democratic Senate but not give a penny to his campaign).

I respect anybody who is legitimately concerned about his behavior, but also know that the current stakes in November are far too high to let that get in the way of us winning the Senate back. I probably would have supported Mills if she didnt drop out, but that ship has sailed.

Thank you again for your very wise words!

niyad

(133,619 posts)
26. Comments from social media forwarded to me excuse those revolting comments
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:58 PM
Friday

because he had been a marine, and the comments were "mild". It was sickening.

RandomNumbers

(19,248 posts)
71. Agree - but that said, it is time accept that he is the Dem nominee
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:58 AM
Saturday

I wish Maine Dems would NOT have elevated someone with his troubling flags ... but at this point they DID, and we need him to beat Collins.

Quiet Em

(2,977 posts)
75. I understand or accept that Platner is likely to be the Democratic nominee, he isn't yet, but he is likely
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:29 AM
Saturday

but that doesn't mean I have to accept or ignore all the horrible things he has said and done.

RandomNumbers

(19,248 posts)
76. You don't have to accept or ignore ... but I would ask
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:38 AM
Saturday

that you not amplify them with other people at this time.

If you agree he needs to win the election in November ... please understand that your words can have impacts beyond what you expect or intend.

I saw this play out in a terrible way between Clinton and Sanders in 2016. Maine is one Senate seat but we need every single one we can get this year. Even if the D is an imperfect human being - if he will vote for a Democrat as Senate Majority Leader - we need him.

Quiet Em

(2,977 posts)
79. I absolutely understand the importance of flipping this Maine Senate seat blue
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:10 PM
Saturday

Maine is one of the two Senate seats we are most likely to flip. And I do get that Planter is more likely to vote correctly on all of the important legislation than the current occupant of the seat. The current occupant of that seat is also offensive, and she has done incredible harm and is completely unacceptable.

I don't plan to start threads here about Graham Platner, or actively campaign against him. Many Maine voters seem willing to look past his history, their prerogative to do so, but nobody was lied to. He is who he is.

But the voters get the final say and they haven't voted yet. Yes, Platner is very likely to win. But there are other Democrats on the ballot, David Costello is one. Look at the California Governor primary. I doubt there are many who would have told you that Xavier Becerra would be current favorite in the polls if you asked them a month ago. The primary is little over one month away. We should respect it and let it play out.

Emile

(42,993 posts)
82. Platner is the strong favorite, with one poll showing him leading with 46% support compared to 4% for Costello
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:25 PM
Saturday

among likely voters.

It's time to get behind the leading democratic candidate, and stop tearing him down. This seat is too important to screw up.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
94. Wait-a-sec...
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:48 PM
Saturday

The primary isn't over.

Surely there is some way for Janet Mills to win. After all, the primary isn't over.

I mean if Costello throws his support to Janet Mills... and then finds 10 others to do it, they'll have 44%.

Then, all they need to do is find 2%! Then, they are within striking distance!

I mean, after all, the primary isn't over.

THE PRIMARY ISN'T OVER!!!!!

Come on, Mainers. Figure out a way to overcome the tyranny of math.

Maybe if we throw around the term "purity test" a few times we can bend the laws of reality to undermind the will of Maine democrats.

After all, we wouldn't want to look like fools on this forum.

Quiet Em

(2,977 posts)
100. Is this your understanding of what I wrote?
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:11 PM
Saturday

Go ahead and write a letter to Maine and tell them to cancel the primary if that's how you feel.

Go ahead and tell the Maine voters their primary is over so there's no sense in voting.

Go ahead, I'm sure nobody will think you are foolish for suggesting this.


Graham Platner is very likely to be the Democratic nominee. You should not fear Maine voters participating in their primary election.


mr715

(3,986 posts)
101. No, we should not.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:14 PM
Saturday

However, it appears that every elected Democrat is falling in line behind Platner.

The cope from some on this forum that he isn't going to be the nominee is absurd.

Primaries are good. We should have them.

When Platner wins 80% of the vote, will that make a difference to his detrators?

Quiet Em

(2,977 posts)
104. How many times do I have to say that I agree he is the likely nominee?
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:19 PM
Saturday

I've been quite clear about that in this thread. Why that isn't good enough for you, I don't know.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
105. You are not the person I am taking issue with.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:21 PM
Saturday

You are not clutching your pearls and attempting to make me feel like a bad Democrat.

usonian

(26,251 posts)
25. Just got an email from Bernie Sanders. "How did Graham win?"
Fri May 1, 2026, 03:55 PM
Friday

Short version:

Graham Platner won because his campaign was centered on taking on oligarchy and fighting for the working people of Maine and the U.S.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221212664

Maybe people will wake up to the root cause of the world's woes .... the insane concentration of wealth among "The Epstein Class" of pigs.

Until then, there are high prices, a war that FartMan said he would never start, and so on.





Keep it simple!

bucolic_frolic

(55,616 posts)
27. There's always someone crafting their edges
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:04 PM
Friday

Trouble is you have to sort the messaging and discover who and what's behind it.

johnp3907

(4,329 posts)
29. Jacobin helped get Trump elected in 2016.
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:08 PM
Friday

I canceled my subscription back then. They’re dead to me.

swong19104

(647 posts)
31. I don't want
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:12 PM
Friday

Someone I can have a beer with. I don’t want someone I can relate to. I don’t want someone who is charming, warm, friendly, whatever. I want someone who is learned, both academically and with resl-life experiences. Someone who isn’t bought and paid for, and will never be. Someone who sees the bug picture and understands how all living beings have their “place in the choir”.

Martin Eden

(15,823 posts)
33. Things are very seldom black/white good/bad. People need to be taken as a whole.
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:13 PM
Friday

Snippets without the broader context can paint a misleading picture.

Is he a fake, when comparing his rhetoric now to the totality of his previous writings?

Of course a candidate for office has to think carefully about what he says, but that applies to every single candidate ever, especially in this modern media era.

In any event, barring some huge unforseen development, Plantner will be the Democratic nominee.

We NEED that Senate seat.

Politicub

(12,335 posts)
40. Everyone needs to remain vigilant about
Fri May 1, 2026, 04:44 PM
Friday

the army of paid trolls and bad actors who seek to divide Democrats (all Americans really).

THe’s an imperfect person as we are all. If we won’t settle for less than perfection, we’re already fucked.

This is for everyone: Support Democrats up and down the ticket. Tune out the noise. And if you haven’t done so already, read the first half of the Mueller Report. It details how online groups were infiltrated and manipulated. There’s a reason why the republicans wanted to sink the report, and it didn’t have to do with “collusion.”

QueerDuck

(1,913 posts)
53. Hmmm. I wonder if the Totenkopf tattoo has anything to do with it. Or the misogynistic comments, or the ...
Fri May 1, 2026, 05:27 PM
Friday

... blacks are bad tippers comments, or as recently as last month, using the R-word. I think that people are perfectly justified in being "upset" (your word) with him.

Thankfully, I've seen nobody in the "vote blue no matter who crowd" (again, your words) go so far as to advocate that people not-vote, or "leave it blank" or to vote "uncommitted"... so why would anyone take issue with, or make passive aggressive comments about a certain "crowd" having standards and expressing their disappointment and doubts.

Sympthsical

(11,071 posts)
65. The Five Stages of Graham
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:12 AM
Saturday

Denial: "No way he can win."

Anger: *gestures around*

Bargaining: "There are still other Democrats in the race!"

Depression: "Voters are poopyheads."

Acceptance: *passive aggressive comments for eternity - literally sometimes lasting over ten years*

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
66. I mean my acceptance started at the passive aggressive and quickly morphed into full fledged support
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:28 AM
Saturday

Sympthsical

(11,071 posts)
67. It's kind of interesting to think about
Sat May 2, 2026, 03:33 AM
Saturday

Because, as we get younger politicians from Millennials on down, we're going to have to start contending with the reality of social media histories. As a Xennial, I just barely edged out having my entire teens and 20s documented online. If anyone found my Reddit name right now, it is the most boring shit on earth, because I've been old enough to know better. If I don't want my boss to see it, it probably shouldn't be online.

People think it's 2014 for some reason. "Can you believe he said this thing in the past?"

Yeah. But, I dunno. I don't care. Voters don't care. Twitter isn't real life.

It just feels ancillary. "He had a bad tattoo!" Ok. Entrenched politicans have been skimming the system for decades. But that's fine. It's the tattoo I should get really worked about?

I just don't that much. It's not great. Platner's not my first pick. But when considering moral weight, the powerful have so much worse on their end of the scale that I'm not going to pretend to take a moral high ground. "Sure I support people who hire everyone and their uncle into nepotistic positions at tech companies, AI, and crypto while I take their donations and write legislation they can easily exploit. But have you seen the tattoo?"

People need to get real about some of this. Bad words, bad thoughts, dumb behavior vs. generational damage to the People.

I know which one I care about more.

SSJVegeta

(2,990 posts)
68. Well said!
Sat May 2, 2026, 05:08 AM
Saturday

And 100% agree.

And at this point he may be the difference between a democratic senate majority and pure fucking evil taking complete hold.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,698 posts)
80. The Real Five Stages of Platner
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:19 PM
Saturday
1. He got a Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest.

"He was young! And drunk! And in the military!"

2. He kept it for 18 years.

"He didn't know what it was!"

3. He's made racist comments.

"A long time ago!"

4. He made derogatory comment about mentally challenged people.

"Nobody's perfect!"

5. He said women should take responsibility for their rapes.

"Meh."

Then the scold: "Stop tearing him down with his own words and actions!"

SidneyR

(228 posts)
84. If I got a tattoo and didn't know what it meant or what it depicted
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:32 PM
Saturday

I would f'n look it up. Call me crazy, but I'd be a bit curious.

Sympthsical

(11,071 posts)
95. Do you care more about that than health care for the poor and dying?
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:49 PM
Saturday

We have choices here. Not great ones, but there they are.

At the end of the day, which is worse in your world?

Do you want change or the same old shit?

Is someone who will keep the current system in place measurably better than a flawed person who sees it needs to change?

How many lives are worth outrage? How much change should be sacrificed for virtue?

The man hasn't committed any crimes near as I can tell.

And I'll just note without emphasis how many of the same people supercharged banging tables about Platner went to the mat for Swalwell right up to the point of it being virtually impossible to do so.

I'm just over this pretense. Completely.

Sympthsical

(11,071 posts)
106. It's faux purity
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:35 PM
Saturday

It's a purity of convenience. Invoked when useful, discarded when the true goals are being met.

I'm just so over it. I'll take someone with reform potential who's said shitty things over the entrenched incrementalists who don't mind if brown kids go to bed hungry if it means they get more donations and guaranteed re-election.

Every time. Not even a contest.

Honestly, not even a conversation at this point.

The performative is going to be the death of this party, I swear. Politics - where the policies are nice, but the splenetic is core.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
112. See that is the thing...
Sat May 2, 2026, 04:00 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat May 2, 2026, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)

It isn't purity. Its bias.

It is football.

My person isn't winning and the narrative has shifted, so we're gonna punt and call it a purity test. Wah wah wah.

I don't need purity, I need outcomes.

I don't want a messiah. I don't care if it is Hillary Rodham Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, or Barack Obama. I want outcomes. I want my representatives to advocate for policies in line with my ideology and my vision for governance.

I don't care what they say behind the scenes. I don't care if they believe in their heart of hearts what they say with their mouth of mouths. As long as they commit no crimes, abuse no one, and demonstrate basic humanity, they are nothing more than vehicles for policy outcomes.

I care that I get to be a part of a party that has an agenda that stops murder by Federal agents, that feeds kids in poverty, that protects the right for a woman to get an abortion (no hedging), that says the cancer in our politics is money, and that acknowledges genocide.

I also like being part of a party that is willing to embrace reality and not meekly look backward, in the hopes that some politics from a bygone era has returned from the dead and is catching up with the times.

There are those on this forum that assert that the desire for Democrats to be more forward thinking is a purity test, but when the electorate of a state demonstrate this point, all of a sudden it is perfectly fine to call into question the motivations of someone running under our banner.

It is immensely frustrating to read here the smarm and eye-rolling condescension when we are on the cusp of victory and we are browbeat into denying that a victory is, in fact, just a priori betrayal.

TL,DR - Demanding action from leadership isn't a purity test. Refusing to support a Democrat because of 'vibes' is.

Nixie

(18,084 posts)
134. Even his comments on Jen Psaki's show miss the point.
Sun May 3, 2026, 02:01 AM
Yesterday

If you give your power away to Republicans over the Revolution’s purity tests, then you LOSE POWER through elections and the Republicans GAIN POWER.

When you’re in the minority in every chamber, it means you’ve lost power. None of them seem to take responsibility or show any understanding of POWER and how or why giving it away is a really stupid thing to do.

Cha

(320,161 posts)
142. Brava. Nixie.. Mic Drop!
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:26 AM
Yesterday


I keep saying.. Dems have to Win All Across the country.. not just in Maine.

So Quit Bashing Dems, Planter. Dems are Fighting For us!

betsuni

(29,223 posts)
141. And condescendingly told we're being lied to when we see a person's own words and actions for ourselves.
Sun May 3, 2026, 04:21 AM
Yesterday

But all the elaborate lies about complicit corrupt both sides elite establishment status quo corporate neoliberal centrist out-of-touch ignorers controlled by billionaires and oligarchs are, like, TOTALLY TRUE!!!!!!

mr715

(3,986 posts)
86. "My purity test is no purity tests!!"
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:06 PM
Saturday

But he didn't win yet.

But he's a misogynist, much worse than my man Swalwall.

Oh God he took off his shirt.

Oh God he beat a qualified woman that didn't want the job.

Oh no, I've clutched my pearls so much the clasp broke.

jfz9580m

(17,673 posts)
124. There is an unfortunate strain of misogyny Skittles
Sat May 2, 2026, 07:01 PM
Saturday

In some of the Sanders left. Not Sanders himself as far as I can tell, but certainly some of his Jacobin style supporters.

The left has 2 rough strands imo - the Current Affairs Mag/Yasha Levine/Chris Ketcham left and the Jacobin left. The latter I dislike very much. I always suspected that and a vile piece by a man called Ben Wray, casually referring to women’s rights as “still popular”, sealed it.
I was also never a Chomsky fan and “MeToo hysteria” was the last straw.

The former otoh averaged with the Elizabeth Warren/ Lina Khan progressives and the Paul Krugman liberals represent my views as much as anyone does.

It is really senseless. Women are part of the working class and as is typical more screwed over. Something is wrong with the images of the world and reality people have.

I deal with such jerks every day and I am not entitled nor do I sneer about “male tears” etc.

But when you don’t seem to get that most women are actually pretty beaten down by life and not an imaginary villain who is a wealthy celebrity, that is a large part of the electorate that is being discarded.

I do think the culture wars assiduously fostered by our ugly tech overlords, with idiots like Alex Kaarp exulting about death blows for women’s rights, have lead us here.

The Jacobin would cheerfully throw away both environmental issues and women’s rights in favor of Yimbyism.

It is crazy. Family planning and abortion rights are important for all people. If you are a champion of the working class, it should be recognized that a flood of desperate climate change refugees will exacerbate every issue the US has. Perer Kalmus gets it.

Cornucopianism in action - the Jacobin left is as susceptible to it as The Atlantic, Vox and the right.

I have been steadily drifting left, but the misogyny is a major turn off and the liberals are way more reliable on that aspect.

You cannot have a real left that throws away environmental issues and women’s rights when it is convenient. Celebrity culture and internet culture wars are not real.

I have been thinking of learning solo ass kicking solo from you Skittles . I hate bullies so I can’t find my own insane mob…lol.

jfz9580m

(17,673 posts)
127. What about ass kicking lessons???
Sat May 2, 2026, 07:07 PM
Saturday

I need them!
Well I have been working on them..I was thinking about you yesterday and the importance of solo ass kicking at a time when mobs seem in fashion.

Nixie

(18,084 posts)
74. Has he ever explained why he voted for Susan Collins?
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:13 AM
Saturday

I haven’t listened to all his statements, but that would be my question.

RandomNumbers

(19,248 posts)
102. It was posted somewhere here. He thought she was a 'moderate'.
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:15 PM
Saturday

He has since decided she's not, she's too conservative, not good for the people of Maine.

I am not in Maine and if I were in Maine he would not be my first choice. Even now, if I were voting in that primary - which will be by ranked choice voting - I would probably not rank him first. Over and above all the 'red flags' people have raised - he thought Collins was a moderate and that made her okay?

But I would a thousand times prefer Platner over returning Collins to the Senate.

Odds are extremely high that he will be the nominee. I think it's time to stop amplifying anything divisive he's done in the past (and I'm definitely not okay with certain comments he made, even more than the stupid drunk tattoo) - and talk about why he is better for Maine than Susan Collins. That said, if someone wants to REALLY see someone else win the primary - where are the posts about how great that Dem primary opponent is?

ThreeNoSeep

(318 posts)
103. Welcome to Maine
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:16 PM
Saturday

Anyone who knows Maine knows that (until the last ten years or so) it's neighbors in your dooryard over parties in Augusta. A lot, and I mean a lot, of Mainers would vote for Collins and Snowe because in their early years, those two delivered for the people of this state. When the Pukes started going overt fascist was when Snowe dropped out of politics and Collins finally revealed herself as the weak sauce "moderate" we've come to know.
Questionable sources are driving this pearl clutching and demands for answers that can never satisfy you. I've seen well known members of DU pass along right wing talking points and far right disinformation links to paint Platner negatively.
I've seen him talk in-person, and he will be fine.
We need to stop carrying water for the GOP.

Nixie

(18,084 posts)
133. Then why does he seem to run more against Democrats than
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:40 AM
Yesterday

Trump Republicans? I saw a clip of him on this site saying he knows a lot of Trump voters/supporters. Maybe he thinks attacking Democrats will win over the Trumpers? Maybe because Maine is so small, it’s hard to avoid all the Trumpers. I certainly don’t know lots of Trumpers.

There are some very valid questions about him here. It does look like he’s going to be the nominee from all the polling, though.

Emile

(42,993 posts)
77. I'm beginning to think some people would prefer conservative Susan over Platner. We have
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:49 AM
Saturday

a real shot of getting rid of Collins, I hate to see us blow it. It's time to get behind the democratic candidate, and stop tearing him down.

thought crime

(1,752 posts)
85. Having Fetterman (D) in the Senate is actually better than having Dr. Oz
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:55 PM
Saturday

Every Senator with a 'D' next to their name gets Democrats closer to majority status.

Quanto Magnus

(1,366 posts)
91. Simultaneity
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:32 PM
Saturday

"This is, in fact, exactly what seems to be happening in the media coverage of his posts, in which Platner is simultaneously portrayed as both a bigoted, far-right reactionary, and a dangerous left-wing radical."

This is how the Guardians of Pedophiles have described those on the left for a long time. Just like the 'Fascist Communist' label.

KPN

(17,485 posts)
98. Got an email from Senator Wyden yesterday asking me to consider contributing to Platner. Good enough for me. Wyden's
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:03 PM
Saturday

been a great Senator as is Jeff Merkley, Oregon's other. I'm very lucky to have the two of them ... and more than happy to contribute to Platner if either of them support him. His election will be an improvement for Maine and good for America overall.

ecstatic

(35,128 posts)
107. So somehow I've been out of the loop with this entire topic
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:39 PM
Saturday

My attempt to learn:

can you briefly summarize the controversy with Graham Platner within the Democratic party

Graham Platner, a 2026 Maine Democratic Senate candidate, faced significant controversy over past inflammatory Reddit posts and a Nazi-linked tattoo. While leading in polls and pushing a progressive, working-class platform that forced establishment candidates like Janet Mills to drop out, his past, including mocking sexual assault and denigrating police, created severe electability concerns for party leaders.

He has since apologized and secured the nomination, but his history continues to cause concern.


How did he mock sexual assault?

Platner’s mockery of sexual assault primarily involved victim-blaming comments and dismissiveness toward military reporting in a series of 2013 Reddit posts.

His most controversial statements include:

* Blaming Alcohol Consumption: In response to a thread about "anti-rape" shorts, Platner suggested victims should "take some responsibility for themselves" and not get so intoxicated that they "wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to".

* Dismissing Military Reporting Challenges: Platner downplayed the difficulty of reporting sexual assault in the military, calling anyone who believed the military purposefully covered up rape "an idiot".

* Use of Slurs: When another user suggested that units could easily "skirt" investigations, Platner responded by asking if they were "retarded" or "somewhat challenged".

* Skepticism of Systemic Issues: He characterized widespread concerns about military sexual assault as being fueled by people who "once watched 'Invisible War'" (a 2012 documentary on the subject) rather than reality.


How did he denigrate police?

Graham Platner’s denigration of police centered on aggressive social media rhetoric, most notably the use of the "ACAB" (All Cops Are Bastards) slogan and direct insults toward law enforcement leadership.

Specific Controversial Statements:

* "All of them in fact": In a 2021 Reddit thread discussing police misconduct and systemic corruption following the 2020 murder of George Floyd, a user posted "Bastards. Cops are bastards." Platner responded with, "All of them, in fact".

* "F—k these cops": He used this phrase in separate threads to express frustration with police violence.

* "Thin blue line trash": Platner criticized a police chief's attitude during a public event, labeling the officer's behavior as an example of "thin blue line trash".


Final question that I was cut off in the middle of asking but the AI knew where I was headed....?

Is there any current evidence linking him to...

There is no known evidence linking Graham Platner to extremist or white supremacist groups today. Recent investigations and reports confirm that while his past remains a central point of political attack, he has actively worked to distance himself from those symbols and ideologies.

## Current Evidence & Recent Events (2025–2026)
The controversy remains "current" due to ongoing political campaigns, but the evidence focuses on his past rather than current affiliations:

* Tattoo Removal/Cover-up: In October 2025, Platner publicly covered the "Totenkopf" tattoo with a new design of a Celtic knot and dogs.

* KFile Investigation (2025): A CNN KFile report uncovered deleted posts and an interview with an acquaintance suggesting Platner may have been aware of the symbol's controversial nature in military circles earlier than he claimed. However, this investigation highlighted past defensive comments rather than any current membership in extremist groups.

* Primary Victory (May 2026): As of late April 2026, Governor Janet Mills suspended her Senate campaign, effectively making Platner the Democratic nominee. This suggests that while leadership was initially wary, they are now coalescing around him for the general election.

## Endorsements and Defenses
* Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren: Both Senators Sanders and Warren have maintained their endorsements, with Warren stating she believes his apologies are sincere and reflect personal growth.

* Chris Van Hollen: The Maryland Senator defended Platner as a veteran who struggled with PTSD but has since "learned from his mistakes".


So based on that information, I see some contradictions in his character. On one hand, there's definitely an authoritarian mindset when it comes to the military sexual assault issue. His comments lacked compassion for women and automatically took the side of the institution. The comments about personal responsibility will probably resonate with a large percentage of the population, but both sentiments can be true: that the military systematically covered up or helped rapists and that some of the situations were avoidable.

However, his authoritarian mindset seems to slip away when it comes to the police - it seems he's able to clearly see and acknowledge the problems within that institution without qualifiers.

So this discrepancy could indicate a little bit (or a lot) of sexism or a lack of empathy with regard to others who face institutional oppression that he hasn't personally dealt with.

In my opinion, his mindset is more associated with conservative / republicans, so it does make me wonder why he's running as a Democrat. Is the republican machine so heavily invested in Collins, perhaps due to the purple nature of the state, that he didn't see a way in?

However, his endorsements from Bernie and E Warren are telling, as they both have personalities that are slightly outside of the personality types typically associated with our party. I really didn't like Warren in the beginning but then during tRump's first presidency, she came to the forefront as a leader and I was able to see how those characteristics play out when we're at war. She's a fighter! We are many things, I believe we are the smarter group, but a lot of times the fight just isn't there due to our wiring.

I don't live in Maine, but at this point, our hands are a little tied. He is the nominee, and he might bring the type of change that we need at a time like this. I say, vote for him because Collins is clearly compromised and we know that. Platner is the unknown, obviously. Hopefully, he's not worse. I guess we'll have to see.

duckworth969

(1,397 posts)
108. You don't gotta like it, but Platner is the Dem nominee
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:43 PM
Saturday

Talking smack about him does NOTHING for a win for us.

Start a write-in if him being the candidate displeases you.

But raising the negative same-o same-o points does nothing except allow you to rant.

If losing is important to you, by all means keep shooting yourself in the foot.

mr715

(3,986 posts)
113. If he were to lose...
Sat May 2, 2026, 04:11 PM
Saturday

Then we'd get to validate the idea that running a people-based campaign with bold, transformative rhetoric is DOA

We should've gone with the candidate the Schumer had to twist arm into the race and accept her low energy, uninspired, complacent, incrementalist, campaign-via-Zoom that was the alternative.

If we win, Platner is a priori a plant, a nascent Fetterman, a racist, ableist, misogynist.

If we lose, it was because of those pesky voters couldn't handle an a priori plant, a nascent Fetterman, a racist, ableist, misogynist.


I prefer a third option, where we WIN this election and judge Mr. Graham Platner on his virtues and sins as a Senator. His (virtual) victory in the primary is his baptism. He is without political sin vs. Susan Collins.

That does not mean do not criticize. If he does something shitty, call him out. But for the love of all that is holy, stop litigating the past. It didn't work. Maybe his gross positions are part of his appeal and we should make peace with it, as long as he votes to cut billionaires off at the knees.

gay texan

(3,245 posts)
110. Wait a young Marine doing something really stupid when they were drunk?
Sat May 2, 2026, 03:47 PM
Saturday

I had no idea things like this ever occurred?????? I'm shocked, shocked i tells ya!


jfz9580m

(17,673 posts)
120. He has a quote indicating he takes climate change seriously
Sat May 2, 2026, 06:25 PM
Saturday
“Before the rise of fascism, I would have said that the biggest challenge we have … globally is climate change,” Platner, an oyster farmer and combat veteran, said during the livestream.

That from the New York Post (🤮 ) so I have not linked to it.

Climate change is an issue that will disproportionately impact worse off people so it is disappointing that few take it seriously anymore except dems like Sen Whitehouse.


Tacitly dropping conversations about climate change is about the worst thing we could do right now as a species.
In fact, I am going to start hammering on about it and other environmental as well as metaphorical climate change (related to data as oil) issues, as my duties are finally clear.

I disagree though that cooperation with China is the starting point for either type of climate change. I don’t get the left’s blindspot about China. It is the only thing I disagree with say Current Affairs on.

JustAnotherGen

(38,088 posts)
128. I love Cory Booker
Sat May 2, 2026, 07:19 PM
Saturday

So for those of you who will be voting for him - stand by him.

You should see the shit that gets thrown at my Senator. Platner has it easy.

Happy Hoosier

(9,585 posts)
146. I've been skeptical of Platner
Sun May 3, 2026, 11:06 AM
23 hrs ago

But he is going to win the primary. And he can beat Concerned Collins.

Time to put aside skepticism and fight with the army we have

mainer

(12,569 posts)
148. As a Mainer, I personally know people here who've vetted him
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:19 PM
21 hrs ago

These are Dems I respect, Dems who have spent hours one-on-one with Platner, digging deep, trying to find a false note. They are also Dems who liked and respected Gov. Mills.

They are absolutely certain that Platner is who he says he is. A flawed but dedicated Democrat, passionate, well-read, and just the candidate we need.

The rightwing is going to throw everything they can against him because they see he's dangerous to the establishment. They'll spread lies to pit us against each other. Every time I see a pearl-clutcher act hysterical about that stupid tattoo, I question whether they're real Dems or secret GOP operatives. You should too.

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