useless thing needs to go! And, so should old susie

Fake outrage to besmirch her competitor.

It's weird to claim it's fake outrage to be upset about a man who admitted and apologized for giving women reasons to doubt him or a man who spent years using misogynistic language (going along with homophobic language). Also both women have worked to protect women, Gillibrand through her pro bono legal work and in Congress on sexual assault in the military and Mills in protecting abortion rights in Maine.

Why are we continuing to give men a pass on persistent bad behavior and claiming any woman being upset is phony?

He was godawful.

Many Dems participated in that fiasco. Unfortunately for KG, she was the face attached to the political assassination. That's just how the cookie crumbled. This guy is gaining support and bringing people together from all angles. He's apologized. We need to win and gain as many seats as we can get.

We need fighters. Of course, that's what I thought Fetterman was gonna be. Until he chickened out. He needed the job for medical reasons and not for his constituents.

She speaks down to people

The entire population of Maine is about the same as the city of San Antonio TX

If he keeps this up, he'll have met every voter in the state!

Ammo, Thank you for expressing my thinking. I'm a healthy and active 83 year old and, though Janet has experience and has done a fairly reasonable job as governor, I know too many things can go wrong when you reach a "certain age." I've been saying for years, since Bernie brought out younger voters, that it's time for younger generations to lead. They should be determining their future not the elderly. I'm very concerned!

Not interested in voting for him. I just don't think he;s going to be any better than shady vance.

The whole Nazi death's head tattoo, women allow themselves to get raped, etc. ad nauseum posts from him don't just go away because he's progressive on some issues. Those were not things he did 20 years ago. Try 5 years ago.

Is that really the only choice in Maine now: Asshole vs Old Lady? I thought I saw another cool progressive candidate - don't remember his name but I think he was a gay man.

Than either platner or collins. I will be voting for the old lady.

I was just wondering if that other guy had a chance.

Hope you're enjoying your relocation there.

It feels pretty good.

:snip:

"Let’s take two big issues in national and Maine news: ICE raids and gun safety.

"On the ICE raids, according to the same polling firm, almost 60% of Mainers, including 99% of Democrats (and, incidentally, a majority of unenrolleds), oppose Trump’s crackdown. Just released polling from the Maine People’s Resource Center (which, like Beacon, is a project of Maine People’s Alliance) confirms that result showing 90% of Democrats (and 54% of independent voters) disapproving of “how ICE is doing its job.” That is likely because of what Mainers have seen nationally, but also because 140 Mainers through July (the last month for which data is available) have now been kidnapped by ICE.

"These people were dragged away in front of their child’s elementary school (in, at least, one case) thrown in prisons and/or deported. At least 85% of these people have never been convicted of any crime. A dozen are children.

"Yet, unlike Democratic governors across the country who are standing up to this fascism – like Govs. JB Pritzker of Illinois, Gavin Newsom of California, and Kathy Hochul of New York – Gov. Mills has said (and done) virtually nothing – even when one potential action is literally sitting on her desk."

https://mainebeacon.com/strimling-why-gov-mills-is-losing-support-among-democrats/


The old lady is polling worse than Platner against Collins,
and even worse against Platner. She is not going to be nominated.

especially when "asshole" should rightly be preceded in this case by either 'Nazi' or 'idiot'.

What would you say? Seriously!

A great deal of respect for Nazis.

That's only a 5 year difference. Once people are in their 60s and 70s, 5 years are barely a blip on the radar. There's something else going on here. Is Janet Mills less likeable than Collins? I don't see how. Platner really sounds like a trojan horse candidate. How is he leading against Collins in the polls when Mills is not? This is really weird.

I’ve known Janet for a few years. Smart, funny, I like her. When I first met her, and heard she was from Maine, I asked her what she did up there (no one had told me). She said, « oh, I’m the Governor. » Just like that, as if she ran a hardware store. Not in the slightest full of herself. No « lookit me! » attitude. My kind of people. She comes across to me as the opposite of her opponent and his advocates.

If they can’t find themselves a better banner-waver than Platner

You?

they all support him.

Since you are not a progressive, you shouldn't speak for us.

we see the support he gets .

Since you value Bernie's opinion on the subject, it must be Bernie, right?

Again, stop speaking for progressives.

it shows how important Platner is to the movement.

The face. The face. The face. Only you say that!

Platner is the new kid on the block.

Involved in town and county Dem. activities. There are many good things about Bernie. First time he ran I supported him for several reasons pretty much knowing that Hilary would get the nomination and that I would volunteer for her campaign. I was less than thrilled that he ran a second time.
While I support a lot of what he stands for, and he caucuses with the Dems, his weak, last minute support of HRC and sometimes balking at various Dem initiatives have not always been helpful.

I believe it's a question of overactive ego with a soupçon of stubbornness. some of which most of us possess, myself included.

BTW, I found your first comment somewhat harsh. So, best we cease and desist.

> best we cease and desist.

By all means.

the positives in my other comments about Bernie in the thread. Ciao.

That's you making an impertinent bash on Bernie where it didn't belong.

>> So, best we cease and desist.

More nonsense from you, eh?

« Ce n’est pas une référence. »

I even supported him in 2016. I think he's wrong on this. Same for Elizabeth Warren. The guy just seems like a Republican plant to me. I'd love to be proven wrong on this. Right now I'm team Mills

This is no purity test. He is someone with serious baggage on several fronts.

Or had one of these on their chest for over a decade?
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reminds me of the drunken inbred hillbillies wearing "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" T-shirts.

"...nationwide generational rebellion in the Democratic Party." Not this again!

Sensationalist headline writers love alliteration.

“older women” per the article.

Mills would be fine if not for the age factor. Platner has a million red flags and I feel like Collins and is gonna chew him up and spit him out in the general.

For instance she is pro filibuster, she is anti-decriminalisation for small personal use amounts of drugs, she is anti red-flag laws for guns, she has vetoed collective bargaining rights (so is anti-union to a wholly unacceptable degree), she vetoed wealth taxes, she vetoed protections for renters, and she vetoed some tribal sovereignty laws, etc.

Also, one does have to take into account the fact that Mills will be 85yo at the end of her first term, thus, IF she wins, she will be the oldest ever first time elected US Senator, and she adds up to a very problematic, far from strong candidate, especially if a person is locked in as a 'Never Platner'.

Platner of course is also flawed, as he has a lot of baggage that can be used against him in the general (it does not seem to be working in the primary though). Very problematic that he was not vetted better.

I so wish the people of Maine (and by extension all Democrats nationwide) had a better viable third Democratic candidate option to chose over those two, but alas, it is too late now.

If it weren't for her age, I can ignore her "centrism". I want us to win that seat. If it weren't for her age, she would be much more strongly positioned to beat Collins. After serving like 4 terms in the Maine house, She won AG a handful of times and governor twice. She had a 13 point margin of victory in her race for Governor in 2022. That means Maine voters are very comfortable with voting for her at a statewide level.

And despite everything you said, Platner's flirtations with Nazi elements, regardless of the excuses he throws around, are more troubling than all of that combined.

Do tell.

He also engaged in hate speech against LGBT+ people on reddit.

He said sexual assault victims should take responsibility for getting raped if they were drunk at the time.

This stuff adds up.

I'm not right about everything but I'm kinda good at spotting a snake. I knew something was off about Fetterman, Sinema and Gabbard before it was a popular. Platner gives me similar vibes. I do not trust him.

I grew up in the 80s and 90s, it was still very well understood that fascism, the Nazis and anything like the Nazis is just about the worst thing the modern world had ever bore witness to. I think for the younger generations, its now some distant event in the past and doesn't hit as hard. As we get closer to the point where its been literally 100 years, I fear a lot of people will view it as ancient history. Thats how we end up allowing it to happen again.

Graham looks great, media-wise, but I don't know a lot about him. I do know Janet Mill's, when she was mentoring my wife for her run in ME-32 House in 2008. I trust her. Will Graham be the shiny object that disappoints us after he's elected? Thinking Fetterman, here.

My initial exposure Platner made me like him. Further inspection makes me apprehensive.

She has stood up against Trump.

If Platner and his campaign are going to pretend this is an attack, when they were his own words, then I am 100 percent certain that his claim of remorse for making these comments was not sincere or honest.