Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

4bonhoffer

(182 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:13 AM 13 hrs ago

STOP with the Homeland crap. We are the UNITED STATES !

Watching SEN. Mark Warner, who is outstanding, on face the nation. The amount of times he and the moderator use the term homeland to describe the United States is vomit inducing. Guess I’m showing my age, but for me the term Homeland brings up the Nazis. It was the Nazis who described Germany as the homeland. We are not the homeland, we are the United States. This all began years ago when Republicans said that anyone who was not wearing an American flag pin lapel on their suit was not sufficiently patriotic and the Democrats bought it, hook line and sinker. Stop it. just f’ing stop it.
It’s well past time for the Democratic Party to stand up to these chicken hawks. We are the United States ! The term United States is uniting. The term homeland is a Nazi vomiting inducing right wing propaganda term that no Democrat should ever use again.

75 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
STOP with the Homeland crap. We are the UNITED STATES ! (Original Post) 4bonhoffer 13 hrs ago OP
DURec leftstreet 13 hrs ago #1
The homeland for this country is actually England Blues Heron 13 hrs ago #2
Well, some of my relatives were already here. txwhitedove 11 hrs ago #29
Golly Dave Id 10 hrs ago #48
I've always thought so The Blue Flower 13 hrs ago #3
The first time he used it, I was like... ybbor 11 hrs ago #19
Exactly my reaction relayerbob 11 hrs ago #22
Doesn't seem very "united" luv2fly 13 hrs ago #4
Homeland even predated the Germans ITAL 12 hrs ago #5
Its from the 1660s The Revolution 9 hrs ago #53
And, sadly, it stuck Joinfortmill 9 hrs ago #56
"Die Heimat," German for The Homeland, is now the name of Germany's far-right neo-Nazi political party Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #6
Fatherland! usonian 12 hrs ago #7
Nazis used "fatherland," I thought gulliver 12 hrs ago #8
They used "die Heimat," the homeland, more frequently. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #9
Interesting. It does seem they used both a lot. gulliver 12 hrs ago #12
I agree: PCIntern 12 hrs ago #10
Thank you I completely agree. AltairIV 12 hrs ago #11
100% CONCUR. But Hey---Dubya IS The Grandson Of Pro-Nazi Prescott. ColoringFool 12 hrs ago #13
Hear! Hear! EarthFirst 12 hrs ago #14
I hated that Nazi phrasing from its start IbogaProject 12 hrs ago #15
How about "The Fatherland" instead? Martin Eden 12 hrs ago #16
How about Motherland? BattleRow 10 hrs ago #39
Like "Mother Russia", maybe JustABozoOnThisBus 10 hrs ago #41
For a guy who nods off in meetings,amazing he still "woke". BattleRow 10 hrs ago #45
Собачий свисток Jilly_in_VA 7 hrs ago #65
And Trump said he wasn't going to learn that damn Spanish language! BattleRow 7 hrs ago #66
Too Russian. AZ8theist 10 hrs ago #43
England is the Motherland nt meow2u3 9 hrs ago #49
Mothers would not behave like these... Martin Eden 9 hrs ago #59
Always sounded weird to me. Creepy even. paleotn 12 hrs ago #17
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe 12 hrs ago #18
I also destest the use of ' the Heartland' to describe the rural Midwest. Even more when those living there are called Celerity 11 hrs ago #20
That was always White Supremacy dog whistle. Iggo 10 hrs ago #47
There's nothing wrong with the term as they used it. "Fatherland" would be different Callie1979 11 hrs ago #21
See post 32. niyad 10 hrs ago #34
Still much ado about nothing. Many words weren't used 25yrs ago. Callie1979 9 hrs ago #51
So fighting psychological manipulation and propaganda is "making niyad 9 hrs ago #61
Your words. Never considered this word anything other than what it IS. Callie1979 8 hrs ago #63
German "fatherland" and Russia's "motherland"... both make me cringe...as "homeland" does. QueerDuck 11 hrs ago #23
Actually, the only time I don't mind the word "homeland" is in the closing lyric of Edelweiss. QueerDuck 11 hrs ago #24
I agree rhiannon55 6 hrs ago #68
When GW McIdiot created the Department of Homeland Security I thought ... aggiesal 11 hrs ago #25
Homeland WAS Nazi Germany Clouds Passing 11 hrs ago #26
Mainland is a better term. Kablooie 11 hrs ago #27
That would exclude Alaska and Hawaii Martin Eden 8 hrs ago #62
News radio in the car. BidenRocks 11 hrs ago #28
Like a wise man once said: Dave Bowman 11 hrs ago #30
Thank you for this great post Scubamatt 11 hrs ago #31
That term is not part of American political terminology prior to Bush JHB 10 hrs ago #32
Exactly. nt SunSeeker 10 hrs ago #40
Thank you. It bugs the hell out of me as well. niyad 10 hrs ago #33
ding. this. AllaN01Bear 10 hrs ago #35
Absolutely nailed it! You connected it/us to its insidious nature. N/T slumcamper 10 hrs ago #36
I agree with your sentiment and have thought that since 9/11. llmart 10 hrs ago #37
K & R SunSeeker 10 hrs ago #38
I agree NHvet 10 hrs ago #42
I agree! Americanme 10 hrs ago #44
"Homeland Security" has been a masturbatory term for American Nazis since day one. Iggo 10 hrs ago #46
the word "homeland" has much too much garbage attached to it to make it a descriptor of the United States. patphil 9 hrs ago #50
I've felt this way since they started using it. Sickens me. Raftergirl 9 hrs ago #52
Yup, too 'Nazi like' for me. Joinfortmill 9 hrs ago #54
Next Step Is Calling It the Fatherland. MineralMan 9 hrs ago #55
I agree 100% spanone 9 hrs ago #57
If my memory serves me well The Wizard 9 hrs ago #58
Well said 4bonhoffer. flashman13 9 hrs ago #60
Amen! Marvin Jones 8 hrs ago #64
You're right Renew Deal 7 hrs ago #67
I learned something new today! ShazzieB 6 hrs ago #69
Code word for their fellow B.See 6 hrs ago #70
I also agree Ialwaysvote 5 hrs ago #71
The Un-united States of America (hopefully, a soon to be resolved) damifino10 4 hrs ago #72
Current criteria for primarying Dems? MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #73
I agree, never liked the word homeland, it Nazism MacKasey 17 min ago #74
Kick and rec.Pure propaganda. 58Sunliner 3 min ago #75

Dave Id

(279 posts)
48. Golly
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:13 PM
10 hrs ago

all this time I thought this was Native Americans' homeland. Silly me. Most us, our families immigrated here from Europe and other parts of the globe.

The Blue Flower

(6,471 posts)
3. I've always thought so
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:20 AM
13 hrs ago

The first time I heard it was from W while rationalizing attacking a country that had nothing to do with the attack on 9/11. It was vomit-inducing even then.

ybbor

(1,741 posts)
19. The first time he used it, I was like...
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:25 PM
11 hrs ago

That’s nazi shit right there. I’ve never liked it. The homeland this is to are the indigenous people, the First Nations. I have always preferred the Canadian term. Dems should never use that term. When we get power back we should dismantle the DHS, and put FEMA, et al, back to their original positions.

ITAL

(1,315 posts)
5. Homeland even predated the Germans
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:35 AM
12 hrs ago

Interestingly, I'm pretty sure it goes back to the early Zionist movements in the 19th century. Hitler and company borrowed the phrase from Jews!

The Revolution

(891 posts)
53. Its from the 1660s
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:58 PM
9 hrs ago

And is derived ultimately from Old English.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/homeland?utm_source=app

1660s, from home (n.) + land (n.). Old English hamland meant "enclosed pasture." Not in Century Dictionary (U.S., 1910); in more extensive use in U.S. after 2001

Ocelot II

(130,286 posts)
6. "Die Heimat," German for The Homeland, is now the name of Germany's far-right neo-Nazi political party
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:36 AM
12 hrs ago

previously known as the NPD (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands). The connotation of the German word was originally a love for or attachment to your native land without overtones of nationalism, but during WWII the Nazis attached it to a nefarious, nationalistic belief system that called for the persecution, and eventually extermination, of all those who posed a threat to the ‘purity’ of Germany’s ethnic identity. This is why the use of the English word "homeland" always had a Third Reich vibe, now made even clearer since the German NPD renamed itself.

usonian

(24,904 posts)
7. Fatherland!
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:37 AM
12 hrs ago

In English the German anthem is called “The Watch on the Rhine” and a repeated phrase is “The fatherland must be peaceful”.



I hate Nazis.

gulliver

(13,934 posts)
8. Nazis used "fatherland," I thought
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:46 AM
12 hrs ago

But I agree it is the same sort of jingoistic thing as "homeland." It's just one of many gifts George W. Bush gave Bin Laden and Islamism in general.

Would the citizens of the country be more united if many weren't using the word "homeland" to try to force some holier-than thou patriotism? I think so. It's similar to folks who believe themselves to be on the left using the word "unhoused" instead of "homeless." The word choices project vanity and create divisiveness. Language is important.



Ocelot II

(130,286 posts)
9. They used "die Heimat," the homeland, more frequently.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 11:53 AM
12 hrs ago

Germany's neo-Nazi party, formerly the NDP, recently re-named itself Die Heimat as a tribute to the word's previous Nazi connotation. QED.

gulliver

(13,934 posts)
12. Interesting. It does seem they used both a lot.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:06 PM
12 hrs ago

I learned something. I like the QED ending your post. Big fan of proofs.

PCIntern

(28,261 posts)
10. I agree:
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:01 PM
12 hrs ago

It’s reminiscent of fascistic militaristic films and tv. We never ever referred to ourselves this way until I believe, after 9/11. I could be wrong but it was the first time I noticed its use.

AltairIV

(1,030 posts)
11. Thank you I completely agree.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:04 PM
12 hrs ago

Homeland = Nazi Germany, not that I would suspect republicans to make that connection at all.

EarthFirst

(4,108 posts)
14. Hear! Hear!
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:11 PM
12 hrs ago

Enough with re-branding jingoist propaganda as something that defines our nation as a whole..none of this defines the majority of us!

I’m with you!

Martin Eden

(15,547 posts)
16. How about "The Fatherland" instead?
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:21 PM
12 hrs ago

Seems more appropriate with the fascists in control of our government.

BattleRow

(2,331 posts)
45. For a guy who nods off in meetings,amazing he still "woke".
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:57 PM
10 hrs ago

How do you say dog whistle in Russian?

BattleRow

(2,331 posts)
66. And Trump said he wasn't going to learn that damn Spanish language!
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 04:46 PM
7 hrs ago

Russian is Greek to me!!

paleotn

(22,135 posts)
17. Always sounded weird to me. Creepy even.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:22 PM
12 hrs ago

I've echoed the sentiments above since Dubya started throwing that around. We're actually a very large, very diverse country with several "homelands" if someone wants to call them that. Still sounds creepy.

Celerity

(54,253 posts)
20. I also destest the use of ' the Heartland' to describe the rural Midwest. Even more when those living there are called
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:36 PM
11 hrs ago

'The real Americans'.

Iggo

(49,890 posts)
47. That was always White Supremacy dog whistle.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:09 PM
10 hrs ago

Of course now it’s a trumpet blast.

Because the nazis are in charge now.

Callie1979

(1,325 posts)
21. There's nothing wrong with the term as they used it. "Fatherland" would be different
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:43 PM
11 hrs ago

If you're an American the untied states IS your "homeland"
This is making a problem out of nothing.

Callie1979

(1,325 posts)
51. Still much ado about nothing. Many words weren't used 25yrs ago.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:42 PM
9 hrs ago

We have much bigger fish to fry than making mountains out of molehills.
OUR Democrats using the term removes any supposed "hidden meaning" desired by the Right wingers anyway.

niyad

(131,925 posts)
61. So fighting psychological manipulation and propaganda is "making
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 03:15 PM
9 hrs ago

mountains out of molehills"? Got it.

Callie1979

(1,325 posts)
63. Your words. Never considered this word anything other than what it IS.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 03:37 PM
8 hrs ago

And I've never heard any concern from any friends
And again, taking the term away from the GOP weakens whatever "manipulation" they were attempting. I can see it now; someone writes a story decrying the use of "homeland". It'll be a hard hitting GOP ad within a WEEK. Stop taking their bait!

Should the Dept of Homeland Security have been called the Dept of United States Security? It passed with most Democrats voting for it.

I think we should spend our energy on finding out why people who voted for Biden in 2020, voted for trump in 2024; THOSE are the people who took away a Pres Harris term. And those reasons are what need to be dealt with NOW before the Nov elections. And it seems like with every week that goes by we're going to make the same mistakes we did in '24 & it's terrifying.

QueerDuck

(1,600 posts)
23. German "fatherland" and Russia's "motherland"... both make me cringe...as "homeland" does.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:55 PM
11 hrs ago

QueerDuck

(1,600 posts)
24. Actually, the only time I don't mind the word "homeland" is in the closing lyric of Edelweiss.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:56 PM
11 hrs ago

aggiesal

(10,755 posts)
25. When GW McIdiot created the Department of Homeland Security I thought ...
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:03 PM
11 hrs ago

this is so Russian.
But Nazi works just as well.

Martin Eden

(15,547 posts)
62. That would exclude Alaska and Hawaii
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 03:27 PM
8 hrs ago

We've had the NSA (National Security Agency) since 1952. DHS was an overblown reaction to 9/11.

Get rid of DHS, and coordinate the necessary functions in a modernized efficient DHS.

BidenRocks

(3,185 posts)
28. News radio in the car.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:15 PM
11 hrs ago

Last edited Sun Mar 15, 2026, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

The guy is going on and then he not quoting, but brings the 'Motherland' into the news report.

I yelled my typical "Bullshit!" at the radio.

An illegitimate war being led by media cheerleaders.

KNX News radio is owned by See BS. I feel the slant right.
Also, any fire victims who wish to bash our Dems in Ca. gets more airtime. (LA)

I called them on it last year!

Scubamatt

(300 posts)
31. Thank you for this great post
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:21 PM
11 hrs ago

Words and names DO matter; that's why propoganda-ists carefully craft names, and why Trump uses demeaning nicknames. You are not alone in your reaction. After 9/11, when they created the DHS, I ad the same reaction - this is Nazi sounding propaganda. But very few objected then, and now the country has been acculturated to that very troubling term. It makes it much easier to demonize political opposition when they are characterized as attacking "the Homeland."

JHB

(38,149 posts)
32. That term is not part of American political terminology prior to Bush
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:26 PM
10 hrs ago

You won't find it in any presidential speech before Heckavajob Bushie. Not Reagan, not Kennedy, not FDR, not TR, not Lincoln, not Washington.

It is a right-wing, white supremacist term inserted into our national language during a time of high anxiety and feeling of threat, just as in the 1950s, inserting "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance and making "In God We Trust" the official motto, elevating it to the far more historically-grounded (and secular) "E Pluribus Unum" as a talisman to ward off the forced-atheism Soviets.

I really can't stand it when our leaders adopt the terminology of the Right. They think they're being reasonable, but have blinded themselves to how it demoralizes people and contributes to support spalling off on our left flank.

llmart

(17,563 posts)
37. I agree with your sentiment and have thought that since 9/11.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:39 PM
10 hrs ago

However, maybe you should send your rant to Mark Warner's email address. He may not know that a great number of us Democrats object to it and why. Sometimes even Democrats are out of touch with everyday Democrats.

NHvet

(295 posts)
42. I agree
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:47 PM
10 hrs ago

The word is like vomiting my mouth. This country isn't anyone's homeland other than the indigenous peoples.

Americanme

(470 posts)
44. I agree!
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 01:54 PM
10 hrs ago

"Homeland" has always made me think of nazis. The Homelander character on "The Boys" acts like a nazi. CPAC designed their stage like a nazi rune in 2021. Bovino dressed like a nazi. Many of their idiots have made nazi salutes in public. Too much nazi for me. I will not refer to America as the homeland.

Iggo

(49,890 posts)
46. "Homeland Security" has been a masturbatory term for American Nazis since day one.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:04 PM
10 hrs ago

And it was always obvious that’s what it was intended to be. Again, from day one.

patphil

(8,991 posts)
50. the word "homeland" has much too much garbage attached to it to make it a descriptor of the United States.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 02:34 PM
9 hrs ago

We are Americans, and we represent people from virtually every nation, religion, and ethnic group in the world.
In that respect, "homeland" is more properly a reference to the planet itself.

The only group that can accurately use that term in reference to the United States is the Native Americans, and even then it would go well beyond our national boundaries.

The Wizard

(13,705 posts)
58. If my memory serves me well
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 03:14 PM
9 hrs ago

Germans call it the Father Land.
The Russians call it Mother Russia.

Renew Deal

(85,026 posts)
67. You're right
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 04:50 PM
7 hrs ago

and it seemed like the term really emerged after 9/11. I always thought it was Germanic and didn't understand why it was used. I'd love to stop hearing people use it. Maybe the next Democratic administration can correct it. Have DHS become DAS, which is also Germanic lol.

ShazzieB

(22,520 posts)
69. I learned something new today!
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 06:17 PM
6 hrs ago

For some reason, I never made the connection between the word Homeland and Nazi Germany until now. The term I've always associated with Nazi Germany is Fatherland (Vaterland in German).

However, I just did some googling and got a a plethora of hits confirming this association, including this: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/nazi-propaganda-trump-white-house-dhs-kristi-noem-social-media/

So yeah, count me with those who would like the U.S. to stop using this term!

B.See

(8,326 posts)
70. Code word for their fellow
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 06:22 PM
6 hrs ago

fascists, nationalists, and supremacists. For whom the message is loud and clear.

damifino10

(164 posts)
72. The Un-united States of America (hopefully, a soon to be resolved)
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 07:28 PM
4 hrs ago

Have you ever noticed that a large part of Congress never makes the Sunday platform. I believe they are afraid if they did so they would bare their hidden agendas to their constituents. Silence is golden. Damn gutless cowards is what they are+aiding & abetting a felon in continuous crimes. They think their silence shields them from their being guilty of their involvement.
I remember some of Hitler's cult believing in much the same way.
Perhaps they will be hunted down in much the same manner as all those nasty nazi bastards



MacKasey

(1,517 posts)
74. I agree, never liked the word homeland, it Nazism
Mon Mar 16, 2026, 12:06 AM
17 min ago

During world war II wasn't the word used Homefront

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»STOP with the Homeland cr...