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Pic Of The Moment: So You're Saying We Had To Attack Iran Because They Would Have Attacked Us If We Attacked Them (Original Post) EarlG Yesterday OP
Stratospheric genius dalton99a Yesterday #1
Soooo..if Greenland comes under attack by anyone,we should start bombing Bengus81 Yesterday #2
Rubio, "We went proactively in a defensive way." Botany Yesterday #3
And there is no way to repair this amount of stupid. joshdawg Yesterday #40
That line got me too. yellow dahlia Yesterday #43
Genuine Gibberish Botany Yesterday #53
Trump had a huge rash, so we needed a distraction Johonny Yesterday #4
Moses Mike too. They've got their story ....and they're sticking with it underpants Yesterday #5
So what you're saying is... D_Master81 Yesterday #10
Yyyyyep underpants Yesterday #11
Sounds like the plot of the movie Minority Report. surfered Yesterday #6
It really does PatSeg Yesterday #15
Indeed. yellow dahlia Yesterday #45
On some level I always thought that PatSeg Yesterday #52
Well said! yellow dahlia Yesterday #54
Such a good movie PatSeg Yesterday #57
I'm a little cynical, but. yellow dahlia Yesterday #59
I guess I'm cynical as well PatSeg Yesterday #69
Exactly. We have so much information at our fingertips. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #71
Sometimes I am like a kid in a candy shop PatSeg 22 hrs ago #74
Exactly. I was a bit of a research junkie before, now I need a self help group. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #75
Ha, ha, ha! PatSeg 22 hrs ago #77
Hill Street Blues Redux no_hypocrisy Yesterday #7
It is too early to start drinking, and I clearly have not had enough niyad Yesterday #8
I feel you orangecrush Yesterday #14
On second thought, and more reading, I thought, "so what if it is too early". niyad Yesterday #19
Coming with you! orangecrush Yesterday #22
Yayyyyyy niyad Yesterday #23
I like cinnamon pancakes orangecrush Yesterday #28
Those are good. So are the chocolate ones. niyad Yesterday #29
You're not alone PatSeg Yesterday #16
I hear you. yellow dahlia Yesterday #46
A most excellent point. There are drinking smilies, but you are correct, niyad Yesterday #49
I said recently - owning a liquor store is a safe industry, right now. yellow dahlia Yesterday #55
So very true.. niyad Yesterday #60
It's 2003 all over again D_Master81 Yesterday #9
Yes, except Trump didn't even pretend PatSeg Yesterday #21
MAGat logic BumRushDaShow Yesterday #12
It's a done deal orangecrush Yesterday #13
" ... so we hit them back first." nt eppur_se_muova Yesterday #17
Remember, Trump was the kid who invented the game of "Make the Baby Cry" to get others to throw rocks at a baby Attilatheblond Yesterday #27
I heard the story about throwing rocks. I didn't know the whole story. yellow dahlia Yesterday #47
Read that it was his mom who outed him on that one Attilatheblond Yesterday #67
Sadist, at a young age. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #72
Smart people generally hide that they are smart. Stupid people don't have that option. twodogsbarking Yesterday #18
I guess you can't be a part of the regime without having flunked logic class and being an excellent liar. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #20
That's stupid with this gang has no boundaries Clouds Passing Yesterday #24
So let's make sure we have this straight: Ol Janx Spirit Yesterday #25
We attacked due to a combination of Arab money, and Epstein files. patphil Yesterday #26
George Orwell could not have stated it better. Wag Wag Wag the dog! flashman13 Yesterday #30
Marco Rubio might actually have something. chouchou Yesterday #31
Authentic trumpist jibberish... Wounded Bear Yesterday #32
How long did it take to cook up this bullshit talking point? Three,four days Bengus81 Yesterday #33
Jeezus. Joinfortmill Yesterday #34
But, but question everything Yesterday #35
5D Checkers sleroy49 Yesterday #36
I think you're right. calimary Yesterday #65
Do these people understand the words they use?? lastlib Yesterday #37
Wow. That IS stupid. mwb970 Yesterday #38
So I aked AI about the crazy Historic NY Yesterday #39
Honestly, I'd prefer not to get chatbot output in response to my posts EarlG Yesterday #41
Game on. Marcuse Yesterday #42
Can we just fire all the Murdoch republicans already? Initech Yesterday #44
"...proactively in a defensive way." Gets me - every time I see it. yellow dahlia Yesterday #48
A person has to be truly ignorant to support these clowns. CaptainTruth Yesterday #50
So no justification MW67 Yesterday #51
I see an individual who sold his soul. calimary Yesterday #56
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." ― W.C. Fields Totally Tunsie Yesterday #58
And he thinks he's paving, or better yet, smoothing the way for his own run. calimary Yesterday #61
The absurd is now government policy sarisataka Yesterday #62
More preemptive Republican wars in the middle east. mzmolly Yesterday #63
Wow. What logic. Figarosmom Yesterday #64
He meant to say, "Israel." Kid Berwyn Yesterday #66
This is.... MarcoZandrini Yesterday #68
Pre-taliation? AleksS Yesterday #70
"Proactive defense" -- You mean OFFENSE? Qutzupalotl 23 hrs ago #73
A true clown car malaise 22 hrs ago #76
.. BlueWaveNeverEnd 22 hrs ago #78
K&R LetMyPeopleVote 21 hrs ago #79
Shouldn't their little red hats be changed to Make Israel Great Again? MIGA? Rhiagel 20 hrs ago #80
Full victim mentality on display! Aussie105 20 hrs ago #81
Mission accomplished! Aussie105 20 hrs ago #82
Pooptin damifino10 16 hrs ago #83
Pre-emptive strikes are the deal of the day! Aussie105 12 hrs ago #84
Rubio didn't sell his soul to the Devil... GiqueCee 5 hrs ago #85

Bengus81

(10,059 posts)
2. Soooo..if Greenland comes under attack by anyone,we should start bombing
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:34 AM
Yesterday

Great way to easily start any fucking War you want and blame it on another Country eh Trump?

joshdawg

(2,946 posts)
40. And there is no way to repair this amount of stupid.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:28 AM
Yesterday

This whole "administration" has set a whole new meaning to stupidity.

Botany

(77,024 posts)
53. Genuine Gibberish
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:31 PM
Yesterday

pro·ac·tive
/prōˈaktiv/
adjective
(of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

de·fen·sive
/dəˈfen(t)siv/
adjective
used or intended to defend or protect.

But this from a man with tattoos of an automatic rifle, a white nationalist cross
on his chest, and some other pro God ink too.









Johonny

(25,967 posts)
4. Trump had a huge rash, so we needed a distraction
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:36 AM
Yesterday

So we bombed Iran and killed all the leadership.

I mean, it's a pretty big rash, so the actions felt justified at the time. And who knows it might work out. Anyways, on to Cuba.

underpants

(195,943 posts)
5. Moses Mike too. They've got their story ....and they're sticking with it
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
Yesterday

It’s not just an out of context Rubio clip. This is the second time it’s been articulated this way.

Mike Johnson: “This was a defensive measure…If Israel fired upon Iran and took action against Iran to take out the missiles, then [Iran] would have immediately retaliated against U.S. personnel and assets."


?s=46&t=3VBm1LJ8j8qLp6JTs_8J2A

D_Master81

(2,470 posts)
10. So what you're saying is...
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:44 AM
Yesterday

Speaker Johnson basically admitting the US is the cuck, Beta in this war and is only going along with Israel. Way to lead sir.

surfered

(12,867 posts)
6. Sounds like the plot of the movie Minority Report.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:37 AM
Yesterday

We think we know what you’re thinking.

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
15. It really does
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:58 AM
Yesterday

So many futuristic dystopian movies are turning out to be prophetic.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
45. Indeed.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:53 AM
Yesterday

I often say I am at the convergence of every dystopian evil villain futuristic movie and work of literature. Aaargh!

Make Orwell fiction again! Please!

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
52. On some level I always thought that
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:26 PM
Yesterday

many dystopian stories could or would come to pass, but somehow I thought that was way, way in the future...not in MY lifetime. I also believed that most people would see the warnings and act accordingly. What is the point of these cautionary tales if people keep heading off the cliff?

The many scientific warnings about the effects of global climate change should have alarmed enough people to change their lifestyles, but so many prefer the comfort of ignorance and denial.

Then we get a leader with so many red flags that anyone with half a brain could see he was the arch villain in every book, movie, or Saturday morning cartoon. He practically wore a sign on his back telling us "I am the destroyer of civilization, vote for me". There was nothing subtle about him and yet tens of millions of people voted for him three times!

Apparently the problem isn't a few bad players, it is the weaknesses of our species.

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
57. Such a good movie
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:55 PM
Yesterday

But sadly it was not received the way it should have been. It is already forgotten by most people and many others didn't take it seriously. I guess a large chunk of people have to learn from first hand experience which really sucks for the rest of us.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
59. I'm a little cynical, but.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 01:01 PM
Yesterday

Some would rather discuss their next mani-pedi than the intellectual analysis of film and literature.

There is indeed a dumbing down of Americans.

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
69. I guess I'm cynical as well
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 02:07 PM
Yesterday

I've been around superficial, clueless people my whole life, but I always thought that most of them would wake up when real threats face humanity. Apparently the wolves have to actually be at their door before they accept it is real. Even then, many will cry, "Why didn't anyone warn us?"

"Dumbing down of Americans" at a time when most people have the entire world at their fingertips. There is no shortage of information, but a big shortage of willingness to learn.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
71. Exactly. We have so much information at our fingertips.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 03:14 PM
23 hrs ago

I feel like I have the whole library in my lap.

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
74. Sometimes I am like a kid in a candy shop
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 04:19 PM
22 hrs ago

Yet there are people who just use it for stupid videos, memes, and trolling.

no_hypocrisy

(54,726 posts)
7. Hill Street Blues Redux
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:39 AM
Yesterday

Sergeant Stan Jablonski’s "Let's do it to them before they do it to us".

niyad

(131,530 posts)
8. It is too early to start drinking, and I clearly have not had enough
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:39 AM
Yesterday

caffeine. I read that thing three times, and it still does not make sense.

niyad

(131,530 posts)
19. On second thought, and more reading, I thought, "so what if it is too early".
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:07 AM
Yesterday

But then I remembered that today is National Pancake Day at IHOP, with free shortstack. Cannot miss that!

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
16. You're not alone
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:01 AM
Yesterday

I suppose it is intentionally confusing because their base will just assume it must be very strategic.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
46. I hear you.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:55 AM
Yesterday

I often say to Mr. Dahlia - at least I haven't started day drinking.

(I need a wine glass in the classic smilies.)

niyad

(131,530 posts)
49. A most excellent point. There are drinking smilies, but you are correct,
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:03 PM
Yesterday

I do not recall one for wine.

D_Master81

(2,470 posts)
9. It's 2003 all over again
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 09:42 AM
Yesterday

The “they will attack us if we don’t attack them” line that worked so well in the early 2000s. Death, taxes and Republicans starting middle eastern wars are a sure thing in life

PatSeg

(52,991 posts)
21. Yes, except Trump didn't even pretend
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:10 AM
Yesterday

he had legitimate, legal grounds for the attacks. At least Bush went through the motions of going to congress to get authorization to use military force. It was all BS of course, but he went to the trouble of putting on a show.

Like a willful child, Trump just does whatever he wants whenever it suits him.

Attilatheblond

(8,659 posts)
27. Remember, Trump was the kid who invented the game of "Make the Baby Cry" to get others to throw rocks at a baby
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:32 AM
Yesterday

Evil like that does not go away, it just looks for bigger rocks to throw.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
47. I heard the story about throwing rocks. I didn't know the whole story.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:57 AM
Yesterday

Now...that really cheered up my day.

Attilatheblond

(8,659 posts)
67. Read that it was his mom who outed him on that one
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 01:33 PM
Yesterday

Probably been scrubbed from the internet by now, a lot of damaging stuff documenting many others who behave badly, or break laws, has disappeared from there in the past 10 years or so.

yellow dahlia

(5,529 posts)
72. Sadist, at a young age.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 03:16 PM
23 hrs ago

And with no correction or consequence - it just feeds on itself. And now we have a deadly monster.

sinkingfeeling

(57,668 posts)
20. I guess you can't be a part of the regime without having flunked logic class and being an excellent liar.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:08 AM
Yesterday

Ol Janx Spirit

(945 posts)
25. So let's make sure we have this straight:
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:27 AM
Yesterday

Since World War II, America has spent trillions of dollars to build such an imposing military that any country would be out of their mind to attack it outright knowing the consequences. But Iran was poised to do just that if attacked by another country?

Is that kind of like getting challenged to a bar fight by a much smaller opponent but saying, "hang on, I'm going out into the parking lot where five police cars are just waiting for some kind of trouble so I can punch one of those guys instead and just cut out the middle-man"?

No wonder the stock market is reacting today when it really didn't yesterday. It's clear now that not only was there no real plan all along, but they aren't even smart enough to come up with a good reason for it on the fly. That certainly doesn't give anyone confidence in their ability to see this debacle to a good outcome.

patphil

(8,944 posts)
26. We attacked due to a combination of Arab money, and Epstein files.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:31 AM
Yesterday

The Saudi's paid Trump billions, and Trump needed a distraction from the Epstein debacle.

chouchou

(3,057 posts)
31. Marco Rubio might actually have something.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:37 AM
Yesterday

It's been a long time since I've had even a little "fender bender" on my car. I also know that there's a few people
that WILL have a fender bender today.
Ha Ha! I'll fool those bastards today and run right into their precious vehicle... I WIN !!

Bengus81

(10,059 posts)
33. How long did it take to cook up this bullshit talking point? Three,four days
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:41 AM
Yesterday

Operation: FORGET ABOUT EPSTEIN

question everything

(51,990 posts)
35. But, but
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:46 AM
Yesterday

Senior US officials voiced anger over briefings from the prime minister’s circle suggesting Netanyahu pushed Trump to launch the strike on Iran, saying the president 'needed no persuasion' and acted because it was right for the world and the Middle East

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8ccdqywg

calimary

(89,661 posts)
65. I think you're right.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 01:32 PM
Yesterday

They’ll keep trying out the “justifications” til they think they’ve got a winner (at least for a majority of their rubes).

lastlib

(28,008 posts)
37. Do these people understand the words they use??
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:52 AM
Yesterday

It's like English is a foreign language to them. They just string words together any old way, and think that by using two syllable words, that they're outsmarting the rest of us. But they're only outsmarting 30% of the population. To the other 70%, they are blithering idiots.

"Pro-actively in a defensive way"--they're speaking tautologese.........

Historic NY

(39,928 posts)
39. So I aked AI about the crazy
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:26 AM
Yesterday

According to U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the logic behind this "crazy" phrasing is that the U.S. chose to be the aggressor specifically to prevent a predicted attack on its own troops.
.
Here is the breakdown of why the administration used this specific term:

The "Proactive" Part: The U.S. launched strikes on Iranian leadership and missile sites before any American assets had been hit.
The "Defensive" Part: Rubio argued that intelligence showed Iran had already "pre-positioned" missiles to strike U.S. bases the moment Israel began its own planned attack. By striking first, the U.S. claimed it was "defending" its personnel from an "imminent" threat.
Avoiding "Absorbing a Blow": The core of the argument is that waiting to be attacked would have resulted in "more casualties and more deaths". Rubio stated the U.S. would not "sit there and absorb a blow" when it knew a strike was coming.

Critics, including some members of Congress and international legal experts, have called this a "war of choice" disguised as defense, noting that the "imminent threat" was based on a prediction of how Iran might react to a third party (Israel).
Do you want to know more about how Congress is reacting to this "proactively defensive" justification?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio Remarks to Press
Mar 2, 2026 — SECRETARY RUBIO: There absolutely was an imminent threat, and the imminent threat was that we knew that if Iran was attacked – and...
U.S. Department of State (.gov)
U.S. embassy in Riyadh hit by drones - CNBC
Mar 2, 2026 — "We knew that if Iran was attacked, and we believed they would be attacked, that they would immediately come after us," Rubio told...
CNBC
Rubio: 'There absolutely was an imminent threat' from Iran - AOL
Mar 2, 2026 — Ashleigh Fields. Mon, March 2, 2026 at 2:59 PM PST. 0. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Monday said Iran posed an “imminent threa...
AOL.com

Then it gets worse Even AI isn't buying the logic,.
The "Line of Immunity": Rubio also introduced a broader justification: he claimed the U.S. had to strike now because in 18 months, Iran would have reached a "line of immunity" where their missile and drone technology would be too advanced to stop. This logic suggests the U.S. should strike anyone who might become too powerful to be easily defeated in the future.

Makes us the bully - AI agrees. Redefining Aggression.

EarlG

(23,566 posts)
41. Honestly, I'd prefer not to get chatbot output in response to my posts
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 11:36 AM
Yesterday

I'd rather hear your personal thoughts on the story.

CaptainTruth

(8,158 posts)
50. A person has to be truly ignorant to support these clowns.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 12:11 PM
Yesterday

I never knew so many Americans were so gullible.

mzmolly

(52,760 posts)
63. More preemptive Republican wars in the middle east.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 01:28 PM
Yesterday

They should try a better lie. Some of us know better.

Figarosmom

(11,331 posts)
64. Wow. What logic.
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 01:30 PM
Yesterday

I'm surprised he can put a tie on without strangling himself since he knows someday trump is going to do it to him. He may as well do it preemptively.

AleksS

(1,715 posts)
70. Pre-taliation?
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 02:12 PM
Yesterday

Pre-venge?

A pre-taliatory strike?

Just what to expect from a bunch of pre-daphile pre-dators..

Qutzupalotl

(15,775 posts)
73. "Proactive defense" -- You mean OFFENSE?
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 03:21 PM
23 hrs ago

We don't start wars. Wait, yes we do. We don't end wars.

malaise

(295,092 posts)
76. A true clown car
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 04:29 PM
22 hrs ago

full of incompetent monsters who think they are playing video games.

Rhiagel

(1,857 posts)
80. Shouldn't their little red hats be changed to Make Israel Great Again? MIGA?
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:12 PM
20 hrs ago

Not to mention Israel First.

Pedo Prez serves 2 masters now and one isn't the American people.

Aussie105

(7,796 posts)
81. Full victim mentality on display!
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:15 PM
20 hrs ago

Cop: Why did you shoot that guy?

Shooter: I had to, it was self defense!

Cop: What did he do to frighten you?

Shooter: He looked me funny! I told him not to, but he kept staring at me! I had to, it was self defense!

Cop: Stared? Did he say or do anything else?

Shooter: No, but I'm sure he had Evil in his heart and was planning to do something! It was pre-emptive self defense!

Cop: You nutz?

Shooter: No! I know these things! I'm a hero!

Cop: Save it for the judge! I'm sure your self defense and mind reading will get you off!

Shooter: Should do! I had no choice!

Cop: Says nothing. No point.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Can the USA's reputation in the eyes of the world sink any lower?
Probably!
Watch this space!

Aussie105

(7,796 posts)
82. Mission accomplished!
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 06:35 PM
20 hrs ago

Evilness in the US and Israel have got what they wanted, a war with Iran, upheaval in the Middle East.

What is in their plan now?
Were consequences ever considered?

What consequences, you ask?
Oh, just the little details, fuel supply uncertainty and flow on effects from that, plunging global stock markets - even crypto is plunging.
The reputation of the US in the rest of the world as a stable and sane global leader.
Little details like that.

So share the big picture plan, Trump administration.
If you have one, that is.

If you haven't, get busy - and no bull or double talk this time.

damifino10

(161 posts)
83. Pooptin
Tue Mar 3, 2026, 10:01 PM
16 hrs ago

Right out of Putins playbook. Bought and paid for by the Saudis. BB cons 47 not a "must do" action.
We are so screwed.

Aussie105

(7,796 posts)
84. Pre-emptive strikes are the deal of the day!
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 02:44 AM
12 hrs ago

I think my neighbour, here in Adelaide South Australia, is a terrorist and building a nuclear bomb in his garden shed!

Who do I call in the US government to arrange a pre-emptive strike?

Quick, before they become unfashionable!
Or the US goes bankrupt. Or something.

GiqueCee

(3,859 posts)
85. Rubio didn't sell his soul to the Devil...
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 09:26 AM
5 hrs ago

... he gave it to an imbecile spawned by old Beelzebub.

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