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Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action -- full text of Iran Nuclear Deal (2015, see page 3)
Politifact: Trump promise to renegotiate the Iran deal (2016)
Trump declares US leaving horrible Iran nuclear accord (2018)
Experts Agree: Irans Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated (2025 -- White House website)
US inches toward war with Iran as Trump says Tehran 'can't say the sacred phrase' (2026 -- New York Post, sorry)
Hugin
(37,730 posts)Because he wanted to run on immigration in 2024 and they for some inscrutable reason complied.
Scubamatt
(289 posts)and they continue to claim this never happened. I send them links and references, but they refuse to believe it. How can you have a functioning government - much less a functioning society - where a significant chunk of the population denies basic facts (largely aided by the complicit media, of course)?
SergeStorms
(20,357 posts)Willful ignorance is the absolute worst type of ignorance.
Scubamatt
(289 posts)@$$*&%$# actually asked her about that - let it go after 20 years! And never once asked about their god-king, who was mentioned tens of thousands of times in the 2% of the Trumpstein files that were actually produced?
The Wizard
(13,670 posts)CrispyQ
(40,872 posts)I've asked the same thing, when people say we have to find common ground with the opposition. Where is the common ground on the 2020 election? On J6? On science? When they admit that the 2020 election wasn't stolen, J6 was an insurrection of thugs trying to silence the voice of the majority of Americans, & climate change is real, then we have some common ground to start on, but until then they are so detached from reality they're a waste of time.
I feel for you. I have Maga relatives, too (I refuse to call them conservative), ones I was quite fond of when I was a kid.
Scubamatt
(289 posts)your own experiences - as you so eloquently stated, there is no point trying to find common ground with folks whose minds are closed.
bdamomma
(69,459 posts)truth ever penetrated their "closed minds" their heads would explode from the truth.
It's called "Cognitive Dissonance".
Cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes unpleasant feelings of unease or discomfort.
MarcoZandrini
(185 posts)reason with MAGAs there wouldnt be any MAGAs.
Johonny
(25,921 posts)In his first term wasn't even part of the media 2024 narrative. Joe Biden was old, but Trump 1.0 was awful. Now Trump is just as old and even worse.
Wounded Bear
(64,102 posts)orangecrush
(29,735 posts)Aristus
(71,976 posts)Classic GOP move.
We're absolutely fucked...
leftstreet
(39,876 posts)No Colin Powell around to show us vials of yellowcake
bdamomma
(69,459 posts)We have no rudder so to say. No peacemakers whatsoever.
Trump, Putin. and Netanyahu are all criminals. Orban too.
Goonch
(4,627 posts)
SouthBayDem
(33,234 posts)Goonch
(4,627 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(178,031 posts)chouchou
(3,037 posts)...just for fun and to royally piss you off.
irisblue
(37,247 posts)

Initech
(108,355 posts)But all of the problems were facing now were the direct cause of Donald Trump. But he gets to blame everything and everyone else because MAGA turds control the narrative.
Joinfortmill
(20,814 posts)Martin68
(27,455 posts)traveling all over Iraq looking for evidence of nuclear and any other WMD. So Bush kicks the inspectors out and invades Iraq under the pretense that there was evidence of WMD production. They never found an WMD.
spanone
(141,306 posts)snot
(11,646 posts)US & Canadian authorities have begun evacuating non-emergency embassy personnel from Israel and advising their citizens to leave the country.
We've already spent at least $31 billion supporting Israel since 10/7 and that was as of last September (see https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/Wider-Middle-East-Costs_Costs-of-War_Bilmes_10.7.25.pdf ).
Per Forbes, "the past month of keeping forces 'on station' in the southern Gulf has already cost the U.S. military on the order of $200 million. And if negotiations continue to drag on, the tally for the current, augmented presence will reach or exceed half-a-billion dollars by mid- to late March.
"But if battle with Iran is joined, the costs will become steeper still. Last years 'Operation Midnight Hammer,' as the 37-hour American campaign against Irans nuclear program was officially called, is estimated to have cost the U.S. government some $2.25 billion total. A new effort to further erode Irans nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities...would entail even greater expense." (https://www.forbes.com/sites/ilanberman/2026/02/26/the-dollars-and-cents-of-military-action-against-iran/ )
I've always found that even most MAGAts are concerned about the economics (the exceptions being those who profit from war via interests in the MIC or Wall St. speculation).
BootinUp
(51,097 posts)I rec'd it anyway.
pansypoo53219
(22,995 posts)gademocrat7
(11,877 posts)Rhiagel
(1,855 posts)Madness.
Trueblue Texan
(4,353 posts)Americans still can't afford groceries and we ALL want the Epstein perverts bought to justice, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them, regardless of their net worth, political, or social status.