It's that in the last couple weeks he has come out against taxing billionaires and and conceding to people like Ben Sharpio and walking back valid criticism of ICE. He literally all but says that it would be better to just cooperate with ICE. How is that being "anti-newson" when I'm just stating his own words?

Nobody is perfect, and we shouldn't mistake trolling Trump on the Internet as inherently being the best potential candidate in 2028.

he couldn't refuse....

Ben Sharpio is a serious scumbag that has repeatedly said anti LGBTQ and misogynistic things and is in general an idiot, bending the knee to this guy?
If you cannot hold your own against Ben fucking Sharpio then how can I trust you to hold your own against Putin or worse?

More agreeing that not ALL of ICE is state sponsored terrorism, and that it would be better to simply work with them normally, status quo. What he didn't seem to walk back is that nazi fucks kicking in doors and shooting folks in the face was in fact state sponsored terrorism.

Folks that get their "news" from Yahoo/Mediaite probably just, you know, shouldn't. (see, that's a generalized statement, which I'd gladly stipulate that there are times that Yahoo/Mediaite may very well have a decent bit of "news" reported on their site, but doesn't walk back the context of the statement, as an example) Not sure Charlie Nash is putting things necessarily in a proper perspective from time to time.

That said, I didn't watch the video, just read the article. Maybe he does walk it all back and don a klan hood like some would suggest actually happened. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

He’s trying to manifest some kind of Clintonian triangulation to appeal to Trump voters, or voters who only get their news from social media and such.

Glad he’s doing it now, before the primaries ramp up, so the Dem rank and file voters can see him without any illusions.

BTW, it’s Shapiro, not “Sharpio”.

I almost exclusively use my phone on DU and typos are like my spirit animal ☺️

Newsom is not the best choice, personally I like Kelly...

But my impression of him is he is more a left leaning centrist. If that is a wrong impression I'm more than willing to give him a second look.

I've been a union shop Steward for almost 14 years and I am 100% dyed in the wool union worker, so that is an unequivocal deal breaker for me.

What I find so interesting is that when anyone receives a bit of notoriety, the first thing is, oh, they should be president. Kelly is a good senator. I hope he keeps working and evolving on the needs of the American people.

So far he is the only one that has actually stood up to this bunch, Newsome has trolled the hell out of orange asshole but that is the limit so far,he is obviously running but seems to cater to big corporations.I feel that we have had enough of that and need someone who will stand up for the rest of us.. I am not a one issue voter, I want to see what their total package is before I commit. So far I like Kelly, but I am not tied to that,just stating an opinion based on what I have seen so far...
Hopefully there will be many more who at least show some interest in running so that we have a larger field of candidates to choose from.

Never heard that before. Just because he's from a right to slave state?

attack by Trump but ICE existed before Trump and there were procedures. It’s disingenuous and contrived word play to insinuate Newsom is giving in to anything when he is discussing established procedure.

It's what he didn't say in response to Shapiro's conjecture.
Shapiro stated this:

“That’s exactly what they do in California” is an agreement. You have to really twist words and make contrived assumptions to insinuate negatively what you have about Newsom.

They LEGITIMATELY want to kill us. And they're literally pulling the King George trope of "I will send a fully armed batallion to remind you of my love" bullshit. We can't deal with these psychopaths by playing nice with them on podcasts. They need to be shunned from society, everywhere.

Fuck Ben Shapiro. Fuck ICE.

At least I fervently hope he isn’t. I’ll be pissed if I’m forced to vote for him lol.

Pritzker’s looking better and better. Hochul’s stepping up. I’d have loved to vote for Walz but he’s taken himself off the board. A damn shame.

I am loving the activism of some of the Dem senators like Van Hollen. Mayor Jacob Frey is damn impressive - more of him please.

I’m growing more convinced any Dem nominee needs to vow to bring these monsters to justice and have the chops to begin to restore international alliances.

Everyone involved in the oppression going should have to reapply for their jobs in a new single umbrella enforcement agency with a completely different name.

The entire government workforce (not just ICE) will have to be deMAGAfied.

Not doing it is how we lose the game on the first snap.

On Pritzker: I think it's a bad look for the Democratic Party to put up a billionaire as the best contender for president. We will lose a significant portion of the under 30 vote if that is the direction we choose.

I still think a full primary campaign season of Kamala Harris is the best way forward. I admit I'm biased as I'm a ride or die for Harris and have before she even became a senator.

I think she will walk away with it in the next election cycle. As long as she listens to the people and not centrist advisors and billionaire donors.
I think all the hardcore courting of Republicans voters was what ended up hurting her the most. I mean she was out their holding hands with Liz fucking Cheney. As long as we don't repeat those mistakes it's a win in a cakewalk.

and Newsom also slipped in that "a candidate for president named Harris " also
supported abolishing ICE and he did not. First of all, not true. Kamala Harris supported restructure and reform of iCE.
Sneaky lie, Gavin and a cheap shot to boot.

To be clear, I don't know how KH feels about ICE now.
I also don't know if reform or restructure is even possible at this point.

Screw Shapiro. Newsom for the future.

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You mean the governor of Pennsylvania?

That is extremely unfortunate as well.

Sorry, it sounds like we have a complete failure to read the room by our Party leaders.

Abolish ICE is the only thing we should be saying and that isn't my opinion but is supported by national polling.

I liked it better when Democrats acted like Democrats.

Shapiro was trying to say that blue states dont cooperate with ICE and makes them use the more contentious tactics. Newsom countered that by pointing out that California does cooperate with ICE, and they still use the heavy handed methods we are seeing.