But tell me, with everything we know about Donald Trump and what he was doing in the 1980's - would he take time off from coking it up at Studio 54 to go strangle puppies in a barn in Alabama?

But I am not going to blindly defend it either

What are you saying?

He's been a mob boss his entire life.

We need to see all the files including the financial records.

Why do you suppose there is this huge effort to cover it up?

Except the claim of him personally murdering babies and puppies with his bare hands.

Someone who's probably never had dirt under his buffed fingernails. Sounds a lot like the QANON crap.

Google:

Fox Island on Lake Michigan, Epstein's airstrip.

Trump's showboat casino on Lake Michigan, FBI account of infanticide.

There are verified details that connect very closely to Riley's account. Particularly, the use of the American midwest for sex trafficking in the 1980s (earliest was 1977, see first victim link below) before Epstein "leveled up" to Little Saint James Island and Trump "leveled up" to Mara Lago in the 2000s. Also, the use of airstrips on Fox Island for trafficking, and the use of airstrips on Epstein's island off the coast of Florida near Mara Lago.

It makes sense that they would use retired military pilots for this, particularly from the boonies, hopping from tarmac to airstrip to farmland to seaplane on lakes and ponds.

Also, the practice of "adopting" kids for weird seemingly sexual reasons is well known in MAGA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-after-clash-with-democratic-colleague/
https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/house-speaker-mike-johnsons-selective
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-sentenced-hundreds-years-forcing-black-children-work-slaves-rcna197533
They think they are still entitled to have slaves (and all that entails, re: children).

Corroborating links:
https://wkfr.com/epstein-and-maxwell-michigan-teen-camp/ Epstien's first victim was from children's camp on Lake Michigan's Fox Island.

https://wkfr.com/north-fox-island-history/ on Lake Michigan (Epstein had an airstrip here in the 80s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_Star_II Donald Trump's showboat casino that operated on Lake Michigan in 80s and 90s.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf FBI report Trump accused of rape and trafficking and witness newborn baby drowned in Lake Michigan.
https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/islands-of-power-and-silence-north-fox-and-epstein-fb312243a2f2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1alwnnh/anyone_know_anything_about_these_mansions_on/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Paul%27s_Children%27s_Mission

"North Fox Island has an operational public 3,000-foot-long by 100-foot-wide turf airstrip as of 8/2015, making it accessible by general aviation. Airport designation is 6Y3.[7] This runway is unsealed.

In the 1970s, a child pornography ring was discovered operating on North Fox Island.[8] The proprietor of the island, Francis Shelden, with help from Dyer Grossman, Adam Starchild, and Gerald Richards, created a fraudulent charity they named Brother Paul's Children's Mission as a cover to fly boys in Shelden's private plane to his island retreat.[9] The Detroit Free Press published a feature story in their weekend magazine on Shelden and the island,[10] then published a second story when the crimes were uncovered.[11] The crimes have long been suspected to have ties to the Oakland County Child Killer case."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Islands_(Lake_Michigan)

You really don't think that elite white men in former slave owning families don't have palatial southern estates with big money parties?

You are imagining a barn with cows and goats - why are you intentionally misunderstanding this?

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/articles/10-notable-southern-plantation-tours-in-the-united-states

https://www.oldhousesusa.com/old-antebellum-and-plantation-houses-for-sale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_complexes_in_the_Southern_United_States

These are literally former slavery palaces that already have slave graveyards...

And you're all like, "it's just a silly barn! what wealthy person would party in a barn?!"

ok keep missing the point on purpose.

/what-i-have-personally-confirmed-william-kyle-riley-is-a-yr-old-helicopter
Some key pieces of this long thread:
What i have personally confirmed:
1. William Kyle Riley is a 76 yr old helicopter pilot living in Georgia who graduated from Troy University in Alabama.
2. “William Riley” is recommended by Epstein directly in a released email.
3. “Bill Riley” is mentioned several times in testimony from the manager of Epstein’s Palm Beach compound.
4. A little silly, but on FB, the second person in William Riley’s following list is Lindsey Graham.
@saschabarros

10. William Kyle Riley, pilot from Georgia who follows Lindsey Graham on FB and father of Sacha Riley was a licensed Private Investigator in Georgia. Why does a decorated pilot also need to be a secret PI?

Umm… this is a big one
8. “Bill Riley” is mentioned in this article from 2015. He’s referred to as a “private investigator” hired by Alan Dershowitz to *stalk and discredit* an Epstein victim. Two other names mentioned are “Steve Kiraly” and attorney “Roy Black”

To summarize what I’m confident of so far: Sascha Barros aka William Sascha Riley is related to William Kyle Riley who lives in Georgia and is a helicopter pilot (and follows Lindsey Graham on FB.)
There is a least one Bill Riley who worked for Epstein doing nasty work like stalking and discrediting victims, but I don’t know if it’s Sascha’s Bill Riley.

I'll try to counter those assumptions, not because I know the truth but because it is not the absolute truth that Sasha presents.

1. Is he the same guy who was a pilot for Epstein. Or is this a case of mistaken identity? Was he a long term pilot? Does he have work manifests, etc?

2. What the fuck does Lindsey Graham have to do with this?

3. The "decorated pilot need to be secret PI" charge is just dumb. Lots of ex military go into public and private security.

that can neither be proved or disproven without release of the files, and a huge years-long international governmental investigation? So until that happens, this man and this investigative journalist are definitely lying?

Nobody that I know of has said that anything on that release is true beyond any doubt. Nobody will probably ever say that.

Even if bodies are found buried all over the Epstein properties around the world, there are people who would step in and say that it's not true.

Have you had extensive experience with pedophiles? Human trafficking? Have you had extensive experiences with pedophile rings, or human trafficking rings, to say for absolute certain that nothing in there is true?

I'm just curious how you have decided to discredit this entire thing without any further evidence of this man or this interviewer.

Have you listened to all 6 of the audio tapes? What part do you think is contradictory?

He could remember Lindsey Graham at least one of the parties. Does not recall seeing him have sex with anyone. He was a boy and they used drugs on them.
Also Biggs, Jim Jordan.

If I am wrong, my humble sadness for this man and apologies, but that is what my "spidey sense" is telling me.

he would have been dead years ago.

There are tons of women, who were girls when they say Epstein abused and trafficked them, they aren’t dead

You are aware that those "tons of women" are not saying the felon trafficed them, or killed anyone. Seems really simple to me.

Seems simple.

By Epstein. One should recognize that Epstein and the ferlon are two distinct people. This is actually why there are so many pictures of them together. If they were the same person, pictures & video of them together would not exist. I recognize that what seems obvious to some may confuse others.

And how have they redacted what the actual victims have said publicly?

other 'rich people' were involved in running it.

identify "this victim," I suspect you mean Riley. If I am wrong, please correct my error.

Epstein was, without question, working for a foreign intelligence agency. There is zero evidence -- absolute zero -- that any intelligence agency on earth had the felon running any operation. Riley is a red herring.

But thought naw, this simple thing you express deserves a real answer.

Hell Yes!

old tactic to try to discredit those demanding the release of the Epstein Pedi Files. It is sad that there are people who fall for this shit.

Many people consider me to be insane. But not a clown, who posts links to nonsense that in no way indicates the felon was part of Epstein's child sex ring.

You: "There is zero evidence Trump was part of Epstein's child sex ring"

Me: "Here is an FBI report on the Justice Department website. It says Trump had sex with a 13 year old girl on a boat in Lake Michigan several times over a few months. Her father let Trump and other wealthy men do have sex with her for money. She became pregnant and gave birth on that boat. Then her father killed the baby and dumped it in Lake Michigan."

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf

You: "...there is zero evidence Trump was part of Epstein's child sex ring"

to be rather foolish to put any stock in that report, or to consider it "evidence." Thus, this OP and thread warning people not to be distracted by a red herring worthy of q-anon. It is sad that anyone would think it might be true for over 30 seconds. More, people need to be on the lookout for those who would join a group in an effort to advocate for the Riley nonsense.

"You must believe me, for I am a mad man. And mad men always tell the truth." -- Che

You said it's crazy to believe Trump was involved in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.

What about this one?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/09/trump-epstein-photo-check-woman

"A scrapbook for Jeffrey Epstein’s 50th birthday released on Monday contains a photo of him holding a novelty check bearing Donald Trump’s signature, along with a note suggesting Epstein “sold” him a woman for $22,500".

I wouldn't put anything past Cankles, but this just doesn't seem to fit things we know.

Reminds me the folks who claimed satanic abuse, or being abducted by aliens.

or been in Alabama except for a campaign event.

Not really his kind of scene... and he never does anything he doesn't like.

attempt to discredit the people demanding the release of the Epstein Pedo Files.

Especially something as messy as exsanguination.

Could I see him as a sadist? Yes.

Could I see him paying someone else to do the actual hands-on killing? Certainly.

I was unaware of the Sasha story until one of our local No Kings organizers referenced some of the more extreme stuff (killing infants with his bare hands?) while arguing with a TSF supporter in the comments section of a community Facebook post.
As a communications person, I didn't think it was helpful. To put it mildly. There are plenty of criminal things we currently *know* to be true, if anyone really wants to get into it with a Red Hatter posting in unpunctuated sentence fragments.

I'm not saying I don't believe Sasha has been through something awful but his story is not the first thing I'd reach for while making a case against TSF.

doesn't want to shake someone's hand.

Jim Jordan, Andy Biggs, Vlad Putin, etc... are not plausible. Mind you this was happening long before any of them were powerful rich people. How likely is it that he happened to run into all of these people in this sick child trafficking ring?

do I think that some girls that Epstein and his gang raped were later murdered... yes, but by professional hitman, not the rich bastards...

People think "Eyes Wide Shut" is just how the rich people actually live... it's not.

having underage girls ( especially from modeling agencies and teen beauty queens decorate your parties... and occasionally ( or even routinely ) service the rich men that attended the parties... sure. Many of these girls willingly participated ( but at that age they cannot consent ). Some might have threatened to go to the police... and I could imagine Epstein or Trump having one or two killed... because that story would be whispered between the girls and they would then be kept in line.

Bare knuckle fights, yeah... that's believable... even to the cracked ribs and bloody face. Possible.

I married into a "very wealthy people" class... Gulfstream jets, limo rides... Golf outings with Senators ( Jesse Helms of all people ), etc. They are different than the rest of us, but not in that way. I didn't last long... 7 years of marriage. But long enough. I never saw or heard even a whisper of this sort of activity... and trust me, my now ex-brother-in-law ( a very very wealthy little snot ) would have at least hinted around that we could attend such events if I was interested.

Though if you and I both turn out to be wrong, I won't be overly shocked.

If they contain reams of information over many years, as people in the know seem to think they do, then this young man’s story will probably be in a pretty good chunk of the files. Then at that time he should be welcomed to corroborate and give testimony. Of course he can do what he likes, but I think without another source, it is too easy for people to just decide that he has a vivid imagination or even PTSD.

When it comes to Trump, NOTHING surprises me any more. The only thing that would shock me would be for him to behave like a decent person for once in his putrid life.

Just when we think we've heard the worst, something else comes out. Though I am very on the fence about Sascha Riley's claims, I have to admit not much would shock me anymore.

Yes, if he behaved like a decent, caring person, THAT would shock me as well.

I heard all the parts of the interview.

I also don't know what to believe. I do believe that dt would do the horrific, horrific things that Riley alleges. That's how much of a sick F I think he is.

It would also explain why Jordan and Graham are such disgusting sycophants. But I wonder about the timelines too. He said that Jordan was really young when this happened. I checked and Jordan graduated college in about 1986 when he would've been in his early 20's. But he didn't become a Congressman until his early 40's.

I can see where it could be a set-up to discredit other victims. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me at all if similar incidents didn't actually occur.

Not saying he was involved in the Epstein crime syndicate. But, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had his own similar thing going, that Trump found out about, either from Putin, or by his document snooping.

and House Oversight Democrats in September. If that didn't happen, I would think Wyden or the House Oversight Democrats would come out and say that it isn't true. Especially, if they thought it was an effort to discredit real victims. The fact that they haven't done anything yet leads me to believe it's not that simple and there is something to this.

and the Clintons of.

If it is true, my heartfelt apologies and sympathies to this guy.

He isn’t asking any of us to believe him. (He has been posting about it since at least 2021.)

He, like other survivors, are pushing for the files to be released which most of them say will prove the veracity of their stories.

I can understand not believing all allegations but by now NOTHING should surprise us. No need for this kind of content trying to diminish his claims based on opinion.

Create a barrage of information it is and always been trumps way to keep attention away from everything. Can you remember the headline outrage of two weeks ago?

has touched this yet?

Google:

Fox Island on Lake Michigan, Epstein's airstrip.

Trump's showboat casino on Lake Michigan, FBI account of infanticide.

There are verified details that connect very closely to Riley's account. Particularly, the use of the American midwest for sex trafficking in the 1980s (earliest was 1977, see first victim link below) before Epstein "leveled up" to Little Saint James Island and Trump "leveled up" to Mara Lago in the 2000s. Also, the use of airstrips on Fox Island for trafficking, and the use of airstrips on Epstein's island off the coast of Florida near Mara Lago.

It makes sense that they would use retired military pilots for this, particularly from the boonies, hopping from tarmac to airstrip to farmland to seaplane on lakes and ponds.

Also, the practice of "adopting" kids for weird seemingly sexual reasons is well known in MAGA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/18/rep-matt-gaetz-reveals-adopted-cuban-son-after-clash-with-democratic-colleague/
https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/house-speaker-mike-johnsons-selective
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-sentenced-hundreds-years-forcing-black-children-work-slaves-rcna197533
They think they are still entitled to have slaves (and all that entails, re: children).

Corroborating links:
https://wkfr.com/epstein-and-maxwell-michigan-teen-camp/ Epstien's first victim was from children's camp on Lake Michigan's Fox Island.

https://wkfr.com/north-fox-island-history/ on Lake Michigan (Epstein had an airstrip here in the 80s)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_Star_II Donald Trump's showboat casino that operated on Lake Michigan in 80s and 90s.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf FBI report Trump accused of rape and trafficking and witness newborn baby drowned in Lake Michigan.

other sources:

https://medium.com/@criminaljusticechris/islands-of-power-and-silence-north-fox-and-epstein-fb312243a2f2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/1alwnnh/anyone_know_anything_about_these_mansions_on/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Paul%27s_Children%27s_Mission

"North Fox Island has an operational public 3,000-foot-long by 100-foot-wide turf airstrip as of 8/2015, making it accessible by general aviation. Airport designation is 6Y3.[7] This runway is unsealed.

In the 1970s, a child pornography ring was discovered operating on North Fox Island.[8] The proprietor of the island, Francis Shelden, with help from Dyer Grossman, Adam Starchild, and Gerald Richards, created a fraudulent charity they named Brother Paul's Children's Mission as a cover to fly boys in Shelden's private plane to his island retreat.[9] The Detroit Free Press published a feature story in their weekend magazine on Shelden and the island,[10] then published a second story when the crimes were uncovered.[11] The crimes have long been suspected to have ties to the Oakland County Child Killer case."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Islands_(Lake_Michigan)

And the E. Jean Carroll story?

I must also believe this outlandish tale of Chump choking puppies in a barn in Alabama?

Huh, well, no I think the stories are completely different.

To some, they sound unbelievable. Not to me, but to some.

And I'm not asking you to believe Riley, I'm pointing out that many do.

Sometimes, outlandish things are true.

When you stop looking at an individual story as a stand alone entity, and place it in context of other similar stories, a story may not seem so outlandish anymore.

And, a story doesn't have to be perfectly true via exact details, but it can be true in scope and generalities, especially when a distant memory is concerned.

It certainly doesn’t make them less important

He uses his real name and has gone to the democrats on the justice committee

If a tenth of what he said happened every decent person would be demanding his torture be investigated

Decent being the operative word there

Down thread, someone nailed it by asking, where’s the lawsuits? *rump loves to sue, others on the list should be rushing to file suit to clear their names.

That’s not happening because they are afraid of discovery I would guess 🤔

She has the right take on this. And I agree this is likely a psy-op.

here. I've seen folks I trust (like HCR) speaking and writing about this.

The timelines are SO off. Having said that, as I stated in another post, I believe wholeheartedly that dt might very well have participated in acts described in these interviews.

So it is possible that is is a made up story to dirty the waters. But, when you first hear about a guy who was at the center of money laundering and abusing over a THOUSAND victims for years, and had close relationships with two US presidents and other heads of state and Royal family member... now that is implausible. But true and only scratching the surface.

So is this story plausible to me? First, my opinion is DJT is capable of all of this and any of this.
This Sasha person was between 9 and 12 when all of this happened and was being related about 30 years after the claimed incidents. So does every detail like people seen as part of the audience but not part of the direct abuse, if any of those are wrong does it discredit the entire story?
There are other horrific abuse rings like the Franklin Scandal and the Catholic Priest abusers that were going on at the same time.
Many 'Indian Schools' had huge unmarked graveyards that have been found on their grounds.
With Dog Fights and Cock fights happening, Bare Knuckle fights for the entertainment of the Rich and powerful is not out of the realm of possibility. And if they were not in a large barn type structure, where would they be held?

And it is not impossible that a person who has a Cage Match UFC fight scheduled for the White House Grounds would have been attracted to a private bare knuckle fight private event.

So do I buy this story as absolute fact? No. Do I dismiss it as absolutely impossible? Also No.

I am open to investigation to prove it one way or the other.

Trump sure is doing everything he can to keep the Epstein files secret.

A famous quote from former Governor Edwin Edwards...During a successful election campaign for governor in 1983, he boasted, "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

Maybe Trump believes this?

No lawsuit threatened by any of them???? I’ll wait.