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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDems MUST shutdown government to deal with ICE
The only power Dems have left is to shutdown government until ICE and war powers are brought back under control. Otherwise, Dems are useless.
leftstreet
(38,979 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,390 posts)they do a set of 50 pushups and have a Masters in Latin American Studies.
SSJVegeta
(2,390 posts)mr715
(2,812 posts)no prior convictions, a robust background check, drug screenings, and a psych eval.
None of this DEI shit, just hire people that meet the requirements.
SSJVegeta
(2,390 posts)mr715
(2,812 posts)You are in the minority - you are not obligated to govern.
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ananda
(34,493 posts)Just do it, Dems!
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)Shutdown is to wake the American people up. Let them know some powers such as tariffs and war powers must return to Congress as required by the Constitution.
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)Another thing Republicans dont care about.
The government being shutdown isnt a failure for them, its a victory in itself.
Cha
(317,108 posts)Food Assistance like last time.
TY for bringing up the Fed Workers.
Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)They'll get backpay like last time
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)Whether you keep the government shut for a week or a year.
Back pay is great, but it doesnt stop them from defaulting on their credit cards and mortgages.
It comes down to how long you are willing to abuse federal workers, without there being any possibility of a policy victory. To me it is just pure cruelty, there is no point.
Its as stupid as when Ted Cruz shutdown the government to kill Obamacare
Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)Not nearly as cruel as allowing government to kill citizens in broad daylight and strip away our Constitutional rights. Without those, everything u mentioned will be gone anyway.
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)maspaha
(710 posts)but, its at least a symbolic fight. Courage is contagious!
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)Because thats all that will happen, before the government is reopened with zero policy concessions.
Theres a reason Ted Cruz liked the strategy of shutting down the government so much, its because hes fucking stupid.
PatrickforB
(15,353 posts)They need to be opposed just like Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld made it so the GOP opposed all we tried to do in lockstep. Every time we ever try to do some bipartisan thing, they don't agree unless they get their way anyway.
Over the last 30 years our political dialog has moved so far to the right, by design, that a centrist position in 2025 would be considered reactionary back in 1970 or even 1980. We have to STOP these people before it is too late and that window is closing rapidly. Time to grind everything to a halt and just stop it all until some concessions can be wrung from these corrupt politicians and their billionaire/Wall Street greed-lizard owners.
orangecrush
(28,705 posts)tritsofme
(19,813 posts)mysteryowl
(8,193 posts)Please remember you are a democrat and the people need you to step up!
ChicagoTeamster
(468 posts)maxsolomon
(38,264 posts)You're Whistin' Dixie, EH60
Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)You're whistling capitulation.
maxsolomon
(38,264 posts)you'll call them Capitulators, too. I mean, if you're still on DU then.
Other DUers are calling for a General Strike. They're going to be disappointed - half this nation wants to see protesting Liberals cut down by automatic gunfire. They won't strike.
drray23
(8,600 posts)Last shutdown, ICE was considered essential and still paid.
The GOP will not cave, they are perfectly happy to let the economy crash and people lose jobs while they keep paying their goons and spreading mayhem.
Most of the stuff the government is doing now is widly unpopular, yet they don't care and do it. Why would a shutdown pressure the gop ?
The Grand Illuminist
(2,010 posts)nt
ancianita
(42,982 posts)And that's what the felon wants ahead of the midterms, to claim that he's the only one who can "fix" blue states.
Bayard
(28,724 posts)I don't think the country is ready for Shutdown II. They would probably really blame Dems this time, as some probably haven't recovered financially yet from the last one.
Come up with another way to make the point.
Cha
(317,108 posts)Midterms..
W_HAMILTON
(10,110 posts)Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)For those paying attention, these abuses ARE popular. Not surprising coming from group voted for felon and rapist. The point of shutdown is to wake those up who are NOT paying attention.
ancianita
(42,982 posts)Enforcement & Removals: Arrests, raids, and deportations continue as normal.
Detention Operations: The system for detaining immigrants remains active.
SEVP: The program that manages international students (F-1/M-1) is funded by fees and stays open.
What Slows Down/Stops (Immigration System):
Immigration Courts (EOIR): Hearings for non-detained individuals often get postponed, creating backlogs, even if courts technically stay open.
E-Verify: The system for employers to verify work eligibility can be temporarily unavailable, suspending deadlines for new cases.
USCIS (Sometimes): While fee-funded USCIS generally stays open, processing of some non-fee-based immigration petitions can pause.
In essence, ICE's core mission of enforcement carries on, but the court system that processes cases gets backed up, leading to uncertainty for many immigrants.
You're seeing this all wrong.
relayerbob
(7,377 posts)And Trump doesnt care about laws so hw wont shut down ICE.
What is required a general nationwide strike.
Samael13
(129 posts)Let's remember what happened last time all that was accomplished was making average Americans hurt. Do you think everyday Americans are gonna accept that again they'd turn on democrats
obnoxiousdrunk
(3,110 posts)The last shutdown worked so well.
sarisataka
(22,253 posts)What makes you think another one would be any more effective?
Eddie Haskell 60
(47 posts)The ACA got extended like the Dems wanted. Again, shutting down is the ONLY power Dems have left and it must be used to wake up all Americans, including those on SNAP, etc. We can rebuild a crashed economy. It's much easier than getting boots off our necks.
tritsofme
(19,813 posts)The same outcome that should be expected by the new shutdown you want.
Yikes.
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drray23
(8,600 posts)There was a law introduced in the house that did pass but it failed in the senate.
Before you comment on things you have no clues about, you should educate yourself.
LAS14
(15,465 posts)Lulu KC
(8,541 posts)As I barely recall, the extensions passed the house but not senate. Tell me what I don't know.
vapor2
(3,853 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,110 posts)Quiet Em
(2,563 posts)They have not yet even put forth a bill that funds ICE because of this. But the con artist unfortunately already has $170 Billion he can pump into ICE over the next four years.
Because of the public outrage there are serious conversations happening as to how ICE can be reined in. With the public siding with the Democrats hopefully there will be some retraints put on ICE. Along with this we need the Democrats to retake control of the House and lesson the Republican majority in the Senate in 2026.
valleyrogue
(2,604 posts)betsuni
(28,764 posts)shutting down and secret both sides powers they REFUSE to use because Dems are useless but I gently constructively criticize how they could should MUST do what I say otherwise capitulating because I am right.
Initech
(107,587 posts)They cannot get away with this no matter how many Fox News appearances they make.