There were at least a dozen threads on DU about it.

I just did a thread title search for today and yesterday for the word "Greenland."

It returned 16 results, total.

Of those, two included the JCOS resistance material in the thread title:
https://democraticunderground.com/100220929277
https://democraticunderground.com/100220929489

One included the info in the OP, albeit not in the title:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=20930729

That's it.

Have I been misunderstanding the word "dozen" all these years? I always thought it meant twelve.

But I'd sure hate to get into an argument with you about it! Because you demand punctilious accuracy from one and all, so I assume you offer it as well.

So I guess a dozen actually means three.

My point refuting the broad brush attack on the loyalty of the military still stands.

How in the name of all that is right and holy have you refuted anything?

The JCOS have, reportedly, said, "That would be illegal."

Are you asserting that all that has preceded this is legal? That the killings of people in small boats are legal because--what?--the JCOS didn't declare them illegal?

Perhaps you are not old enough to remember such events as Colin Powell shaking little test tubes at the United Nations.

The fact that some pushback happens in no wise guarantees, or even really indicates, what will happen in the future.

It is charming that you believe that all is well, children.

And that you are terribly certain of that position.

Tell me this: Where is the long list I'm sure you have at hand of the U.S. Military defying the orders of any president?

You really think that when Pam Bondi or whatever underling issues the current equivalent of the Torture Memo, the military is going to say, "Nope. Won't do it."

I believe that position, if it is in fact yours, is poignantly naive.

But really. When you chide other people for stating things you find to be inaccurate, and then dodge your own utter hyperbole with **sigh**, it causes a person to wonder whether you are actually applying your own rules to yourself.

I can see the gray areas and the shadows, the exceptions and the inconsistencies as well as the patterns.

I don’t scan headlines, tweets or Tik Toks and become 100% convinced of anything, including the OP’s assertion that the entire armed forces are our enemies, and will absolutely, positively, blindly follow any and every unlawful order given by the president.

It is amusing that you are charmed by something I never said or implied - I only took exception to the OP’s broad brush attack on the military.



It rarely if ever gets that far - more often, the military advisers pushback against the suggestion of unlawful orders that never get issued. Yes, troops have committed atrocities and war crimes, some of which have been punished, some not. Trump 2.0 has fired the veteran JAGs and replaced them with Yes Men who will concoct contorted legal rationales for whatever orders Trump decides to issue, providing a veneer of protection for those who follow those orders.

We shall see what comes of it all.

Despite all this back and forth, my point still stands - the OP wrongly attacked the entire armed services of the US- there is plenty to criticize, but to make such a broad based accusation is unfair or not supported by facts.

You: "Despite all this back and forth, my point still stands - the OP wrongly attacked the entire armed services of the US- there is plenty to criticize, but to make such a broad based accusation is unfair or not supported by facts."

If you'd said that, you might have had, and even made, a point.

You made an offhand, clearly incorrect, statement that you apparently believed made a point about attacking the entire armed services of the U.S.

In no parsing of the language that I can comprehend did your statement that more than a dozen threads had talked about the JCOS communicate anything about your umbrage re: the whole of the armed services.

It was a throwaway putdown that was based on hyperbole.

I pointed that out.

That's really all we've got here.

You made a demonstrably factually inaccurate statement.

You demand accuracy from all and sundry.

Your ex post facto statements about what you might have meant or could have meant or meant to mean are utterly beside the point.

This has, as usual, been really fun. I'll leave you the last word, because if I don't, I'll be here forever.

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do you think that means they won't replace the JCOS until they get what they want?

But very risky politically between now and the midterms.

I’m more worried of a stream of resignations that would create the opportunity to appoint more Yes Men (I think he already replaced one of the chiefs last year)

Some will be in denial. Peaceful resistance is the hope of a democracy. Can we keep it?
We have sold ourselves to a complacent comfort zone. Some of our leaders are fighting back and citizens are reflecting in a what have I done way.
But our lapse in allowance has permitted enemies into our state systems. Extracting them will take a concerted effort of defiance.
We are a divided country over identity. We have a reality to which we all generally agree, but identity is home.
Lot of damage done.
Consider trump discussing stealing Maduro with oil companies before the Gang of 8.
He obviously, in his inimitable way, came to the conclusion they were good.
The head of ExxonMobil eschewed any ready pumping as did the rest of the bunch without some guarantees.
Trump sold us a bill of goods, once again, many bought.
Where is the clamor over this nonsense in the party in control?
Should we regain control how do we go back to normal? Normal is gone.
We have all become inured to rat tat tat gish gallop.
Does anyone realize that our great hegemonical success has been accomplished with soft power.
Trump is ceding to a concept of hemispheric zones. What? We are heading back to oil when the energy of the future is nuclear and batteries. China is heading into the next century while we are heading to the 19th.
We are going to focus on the Western Hemisphere with a fraction of the world's population for our market because we are the big dog?
We have sold our selves to our comfort zone now controlled by an army of trumpers who are at war with intelligence and are not wilfully going to give up control. And they may have three more years to tear down what mankind has built in the last 250 years of our independence.
We are now in a civil war, not with guns and bullets, but with ideas. How do you get an army with professed anathema to ideas to give up their straight laced ignorance, misogyny, and racism? We tried education but mismanaged that.
Could it be deprivation that makes us all wake up?
Certainly had an impact in the Depression.
Hope I die before the next one.

before he decided to join Hitler's team......


Vance was "spot on" back when he said that, before he succumbed to the Trump Party policy of
"All Lies, All The Time"