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(64,254 posts)Thanks for the thread aggiesal
Irish_Dem
(79,919 posts)He assumed everyone would do his bidding.
Beartracks
(14,377 posts)paleotn
(21,607 posts)The country is being run by a complete moron and minions who repeat everything the moron utters like it's fucking gospel.
See Rex Tillerson on Big Oil's take on Trump. A useful idiot on some occasions. A complete moron few want to associate with if they can help it.
Beartracks
(14,377 posts)I completely agree with your response. They probably did tell him, but Trump likely thought that by going ahead with "breaking Venezuela" he could force their hand into "fixing it."
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paleotn
(21,607 posts)"Sorry. Ain't touching it. You should have asked us BEFORE you broke it. We would have told you...ain't touching it."
Now, Donnie is stuck with a humanitarian disaster of monumental proportions, an incarcerated dictator who will probably walk, and no artificial decline in US gas prices before the 2026 elections. The price of lack of forethought.
PatSeg
(52,226 posts)and know more about everything than anyone else.
hatrack
(64,273 posts)PatSeg
(52,226 posts)There actually were some brains in his family, but he seemed to be the family misfit and he knows it, which is probably why he overcompensates all the time.
underpants
(195,012 posts)rampartd
(3,856 posts)if those oil companies weren't loading ships with equipment by new years this is all bullshit.
but the joke is on us. we get to pay for this infrastructure and security in venezuela and trump profits.
PJMcK
(24,771 posts)Its gratifying to see others catching up.
GiqueCee
(3,428 posts)... in fact, she said he was an idiot, and that she hoped he never got into politics because he'd be a disaster. Truer words have never been said, before or since.
ImmigrantsWGTJD
(9 posts)Soon may it all come to a screeching halt. They say that dictatorships always end suddenly.
PJMcK
(24,771 posts)Except for North Korea, they always collapse and the leader ends up dead or in exile. Look at history.
patphil
(8,734 posts)The guy's been an idiot for several decades. Believe me, I know. I live about 60 miles north of NYC, and have seen this guy in action since the 1980's.
Nothing has changed since then. He was an idiot back then, and still is now, except over the years he's perfected idiocy.
Hope22
(4,484 posts)Get a map people and quit wasting our money. This episode of your TV show is a dud!!!
milestogo
(22,608 posts)That's his internal moral compass.
indigoth
(195 posts)He IS an idiot.
wcmagumba
(5,661 posts)not smart, except for grifting, he's good at that...
Bok_Tukalo
(4,526 posts)All that can done is distraction (Ballroom Kennedy Center) or manipulate him into firing the gun in your preferred direction.
Someone sold him on this operation and used oil as the reason to get him on board. Who knows the real reason?
returnee
(827 posts)Bok_Tukalo
(4,526 posts)We are a politically bifurcated society. You cannot get a supermajority in the Senate to do anything of consequence.
returnee
(827 posts)I said it would work. Im not unaware of the current situation in Congress. However, in these times I decline to predict what is or isnt possible.
cksmithy
(427 posts)NotHardly
(2,639 posts)Marie Marie
(10,899 posts)And I know that Daddy would never lie to us.
OTOH - I wanted to see these greedy fucks go all in and Trump would provide them with all the military protection he can send. Then we get a new Democratic President and Congress who immediately withdraw all our troops, leaving them to use their obscene profits to protect themselves. Aaaah, a girl can dream....
Ocelot II
(129,163 posts)and they know that getting involved in oil extraction and refining in Venezuela right now is a fool's errand - and they told him so.
dalton99a
(92,179 posts)ashredux
(2,878 posts)However, hes turned being an idiot into an art form
state of stupid
(138 posts)Aviation Pro
(15,259 posts)
Ocelot II
(129,163 posts)Raven123
(7,563 posts)usonian
(23,610 posts)Seems to have turned horribly jaundiced color.
Martin Eden
(15,368 posts)Has he graduated from idiot to imbecile yet?
Beartracks
(14,377 posts)... so he's got that going for him.
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LetMyPeopleVote
(175,074 posts)sop
(17,491 posts)Oil companies will get U.S. taxpayers to subsidize the full cost of modernization. Then they'll demand all revenues from Venezuela's oil sales, in perpetuity, along with a zero tax rate on all future profits. The imbecile will cave, he can't afford to lose face now.
WestMichRad
(2,939 posts)Now, the country has no ruling government, no income, and cannot support themselves with basic food needs. It will descend into utter chaos, making Haitis anarchy look civil and orderly. Expect mass migration as people flee to neighboring countries. If the U.S. tries to send in forces to run the country, theyll be bogged down for many years and welcomed by hostile well-armed gangs.
Its gonna make Shrubs Iraq fiasco look quaint, any everyone in northern South America will end up despising the U.S.
But hey, this administration will get to fuck over Cuba, so its a win, yes?
paleotn
(21,607 posts)Iraq 2.0 with far better cover for the insurgents.
paleotn
(21,607 posts)Sometimes all you can do is just let lunatics do their thing. They won't listen to you anyway.
Speaking of oil execs...what did Rex Tillerson call him? A fucking moron? Yes, that about sums him up.
NBachers
(19,188 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(175,074 posts)The US is going to extreme lengths to control oil that Trump used to regularly disparage.
"Their oil is garbage. Itâs horrible. The worst you can get. Tar. Itâs like tar."
— Mother Jones (@motherjones.com) 2026-01-09T16:31:41.946Z
Read how Trump used to talk about Venezuelan oil.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/01/garbage-trump-disparage-venezuelan-oil-crude-maduro-tar-horrible-worst-oil/
Throughout his 2024 presidential campaign, he called the countrys crude horrible, tar, the dirtiest stuff you can imagine, and the worst oil probably anywhere in the world. But, less than two years later, President Trump has framed his move to depose Nicolás Maduro in large part as a move to seize this garbage oil.
His reservations about the quality of the fossil fuels he plans to acquire have disappeared. Instead, the president has suggested he may be willing to send in more US troops to keep control of it and that hes not afraid of boots on the ground. Gone, too, are Trumps warnings that Venezuelan heavy crude will pollute the air in American communities when its refined stateside.
Trumps disparaging remarks about Venezuelan oil were not a one-off. He made a version of the same argument at least five times between June 2023 and August 2024. The typical pitch went something like this: When I was president, we drilled top-tier American oil. Now we import tar from Venezuela and pollute our country in the process.
Heres a longer version from a speech to North Carolina Republicans in June 2023:
When I left Venezuela was ready to collapse. We would have taken it over. We would have gotten all that oil. It would have been right next door. But now were buying oil from Venezuela. So were making a dictator very rich. Can you believe this? Nobody can believe this.
Their oil is garbage. Its horrible. The worst you can get. Tar. Its like tar. And to refine it you need special plants We have liquid gold. The best, most beautiful stuff you can get. Liquid gold. Better than gold. Right under our feet But with Venezuela, they put their oil and they refine it in Houston! So all those pollutants go right up in the air So, we lose economically. And we also lose from an environmental standpoint. Because it is really dirty stuff. The dirtiest stuff you can imagine.
The bit has a typically Trumpian cognitive dissonance to it. If hed been re-elected in 2020, America would have benefited greatly by taking control of Venezuelas oil, he claimed. At the same time, Democrats were idiots for using such horrible, polluting oil.
Most of the oil in Venezuela is heavy tar that will require a great deal of investment to produce and refine. It is no wonder why US oil companies are not willing to make this investment
calimary
(89,060 posts)I keep thinking about the aviation term no longer a factor. And boy do I look forward to the day that phrase starts applying to the donald, because he, too, is no longer a factor.
3Hotdogs
(15,041 posts)ONLY NOW?
Grokenstein
(6,249 posts)You broke it, you bought it.
BradBo
(933 posts)Trumps throwing ketchup tonight. Watch out!
Cha
(316,918 posts)Maniac inside the WH.
