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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy did ICE shoot her?
Why didnt he shoot out the tires?
Why did he aim at and shoot her face?
Why did he have to shoot, period?
The Police would have pulled her over or radioed an APB.
malaise
(293,109 posts)To kill her
He murdered her in cold blood
That is all
no_hypocrisy
(54,361 posts)The shooting had no legal justification.
Kaleva
(40,225 posts)IMO, the agent didnt have justification to use deadly force as videos show he was able to move out of the way.
Wuddles440
(1,980 posts)for even existing their vehicle and approaching hers, as they could have easily drive around her on the left side of the street.
malaise
(293,109 posts)Kill protesters
This will backfire spectacularly
malaise
(293,109 posts)Rec
PatSeg
(52,270 posts)Sounds like a trigger-happy jerk who was just looking for a reason to use his gun. As you'd said, real police would have shot at her tires if they used their guns at all, as there seemed to be no valid reason to stop her. A trained cop probably would have just waved her on.
SheltieLover
(76,982 posts)COL Mustard
(8,006 posts)EOM
Not once by accident.
THREE TIMES!
malaise
(293,109 posts)A monstrous murderer
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,450 posts)Bettie
(19,317 posts)Training, they were taught that they can do anything they want to. They were hired for their lack of any sense of morality or humanity. This guy is probably happy about his first murder, especially since he will probably face no consequences and be able to do it again and again.
John1956PA
(4,858 posts)The agent who stormed her car, grabbed the door handle, and shouted, "Get out of the f****** car!" is another example.
gab13by13
(31,336 posts)Where was that insignia on his uniform?
John1956PA
(4,858 posts)As for the male who was the shooter, the later view of him in the video reveals that his jacket bears wording on the front and back. In large letters is the word 'POLICE." In smaller letters below there are the words "FEDERAL AGENT."
CanonRay
(15,974 posts)I was at FLETC in 84. They called themselves "Mean Green" on base. Their uniforms were green, every other agency was blue. Very militaristic.
underpants
(195,096 posts)Tim S
(55 posts)THIS IS JUST A GUESS but since the drivers window was rolled down, maybe she said something to an ICE agent that inflamed him to such an extent that his response was to shoot to end it?? Could this tragedy be an untrained, infantile response from an ignorant hothead who couldnt form a coherent verbal response?
Kaleva
(40,225 posts)bucolic_frolic
(54,130 posts)Demoralize any resistance with violence and fear. Countless rulers in history have used thuggery to control populations.
If Trump can pardon criminals, I wonder if a potential future Democratic president could revoke immunity laws from their inception.
frogstar0
(228 posts)They are hiring the worst kind of people. People who want power, status they thing those uppity...fill in the blank... Have stolen from them. Then they give them a gun and little or no real training. And the 'warrior' mindset is promoted. This is by design. They want conflict, violence so the can have their white nationalist dictatorship.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(133,132 posts)Ice has always come off as unprofessional thugs. Real police are taught to de-escalate.
Johonny
(25,552 posts)Her people don't have the correct training, despite billions spent.
PatSeg
(52,270 posts)The ones who couldn't qualify for any decent police force.
frogstar0
(228 posts)PatSeg
(52,270 posts)I knew many years ago. He couldn't wait to become a policeman and once he was accepted, he only lasted six months due to his excessively aggressive behavior. Some of these guys watch too many TV cop shows and believe that is reality.
betsuni
(28,762 posts)Joinfortmill
(20,175 posts)hatrack
(64,302 posts)The end.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,278 posts)Emile
(40,769 posts)Dave Bowman
(6,727 posts)AnnaLee
(1,355 posts)Drug testing on the ICE shooter, including steroids, should be done immediately when they act without reason.
EdmondDantes_
(1,418 posts)That said, he had no legally justifiable reason to shoot. If Noem's claim that he got run over by a protester's car before is true, maybe he had PTSD and fired because of that. Which would mean he shouldn't have been in the field. Of course Noem isn't a trustworthy source so that's probably not true, and can't be verified because we have no idea who he is.
Mike Nelson
(10,927 posts)... is that she did something to upset that group of ICE officers earlier in the protest. When she decided to leave, they followed her. Lastly, she probably shouted vulgarities at them as she was leaving. This just tipped the shooter "over the edge," and he shot. It's surprising, to me, that it reached that point. When society entrusts you with a gun, you can't shoot everyone that "ticks you off"... no matter what they say... and most of what they do... From boats in the ocean to protesters, we seem to have a lower standard. I echo the Mayor and Governor - please be on guard, DU protesters. They want more chaos... stay safe.
yardwork
(68,987 posts)We have no evidence that she said or did anything to antagonize the shooter. Speculating that she did creates false information that gets picked up and spread. It will be used to excuse the murder.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,934 posts)I forget if it was school or daycare.
Mike Nelson
(10,927 posts)... a protester. Maybe she was also picking up her child, or only there to pick up her child... it makes no difference. There is no way she should have been killed. This reminds me of the MAGA question "Why don't we just shoot them?" and, later, command, "Just shoot them." A boat... a protestor... I think that may be the new normal. This officer either won't be charged, or will be pardoned. No consequences... Just shoot them.
RoeVWade
(856 posts)absolute confusion.
Vinca
(53,390 posts)is having a gun in their hand. The guns didn't have to be fired at all in this instance. Get her plate number and have her stopped if that's their goal.
COL Mustard
(8,006 posts)$50,000 signing bonus helps.
Vinca
(53,390 posts)around in our Fallujah-combat attire and pick out noses. The training must be a snap. It's half the amount of time I spent going through a police academy program in the 1980's to be on a small, local department.
surfered
(11,730 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 8, 2026, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)
New hire, no experience, poor training, previous job was living off his mother, in her basement, watching Fox all day.
underpants
(195,096 posts)Link to tweet
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Martin Eden
(15,381 posts)Because a fascist regime uses brutality and intimidation to repress opposition.
Because decades of racist propaganda and fearmongering has groomed a large segement of our population to elect and support a demented sociopath to the highest office in our country.
Because a subculture of toxic masculinity has produced plenty of volunteers to use their 2A joysticks against himan beings they've been programmed to hate.
Because the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower has been transformed into a corrupt tool of oligarchs and fascists who never have enough wealth, power, and entitlement.
Katinfl
(649 posts)ReRe
(12,180 posts)Because he's an armed -to-the-teeth fascist MFer, and he could. That's why.
everyonematters
(4,028 posts)He stepped out of the way from the front of the car and then fired.
ashredux
(2,880 posts)You look closely, he had his gun drawn before she started to move forward down the road. This was incredibly poor law-enforcement or to save the lease .. It was murder.
Turbineguy
(39,860 posts)GiqueCee
(3,455 posts)Because they're all trigger-happy assholes looking for any excuse to join the Killers' Klub. Makes 'em feel like a MAN! Which is something they will NEVER be. They're under-trained, over-paid thugs specifically recruited because of their sociopathic tendencies, not in spite of them.
CaptainTruth
(8,056 posts)sop
(17,578 posts)when people (or dogs) disobey, they must be shot.
Ocelot II
(129,267 posts)and the only people who apply for the job are men (mostly) of low character who are willing to spend their days kidnapping ordinary people and sending them to gulags in an unfamiliar country. People who don't mind tearing families apart by abducting grocery-shopping old ladies and college students on spring break and military veterans whose only sin is having brown skin. So they have a bunch of new hires, maybe a few J6 pardonees among them, guys who are predisposed to authoritarian assholery in the first place, and they give them minimal LEO training and let them know they can do pretty much whatever they want, and they set them loose. What could possibly go wrong?
Texin
(2,834 posts)He obviously joined ICE so he could march around in jack boots with a gun and his face masked, wielding a gun provided by the U.S. government no less, so he had federal approval to use deadly force.
Ping Tung
(4,150 posts)AverageOldGuy
(3,382 posts). . . they made C's and D's in high school, the big kids picked on them, and the girls wouldn't talk to them.
Abstractartist
(420 posts)With the face that anyone can go online and buy ICE uniforms, fake badges, and green hunting masks, I think anyone who is approached by one of these shits need to demand local police and identification. If not, then your life is in danger, and stand your ground should be taken seriously.
Linda ladeewolf
(1,108 posts)D. Spaulding
(460 posts)Social media and flooding the zone means next week we'll be on to a new outrage and this will be forgotten like so many other things the monster in chief does. And that means forgotten by most Dem politicians too. I hope I'm wrong; I hope someone like AOC keeps it in the news and pushes hard for this guy to get the punishment he deserves, but I have no optimism.
John1956PA
(4,858 posts)I think he was distracted by his act of video recording. He was not "in the moment" so to speak. A well trained officer would have been focusing on the situation and discerning between what is an imminent threat and what is not.
We will never know the purpose of the agent's video recording. For all we know, he may have been live streaming on Facebook in order to impress his friends.
Clouds Passing
(7,102 posts)Scrivener7
(58,454 posts)12 years old in his mother's basement.
ICE let's him wear his costumes and carry his gun to somewhere other than Starbucks and the Piggly Wiggly, and now he can get away with actually shooting a person. Which is much more appealing to him than hunting an animal.