Learn how to funny, then use your skill to make people laugh at trump and his cabal of traitors.

Or rather, LENO the both sides thing.

I think he’s saying comedians who just say “F Trump” are lazy, and that Trump’s own bizarre actions make it harder to satirize him because the satire pales in comparison to the ludicrous reality.

He has a good point.

Neither is Rachel Maddow

They simply are entertainers with zero power

Even the ones who don't pick sides have power, unfortunately for the wrong side. So who is the "power" for - the Faux and MAGA podcasters? What about us keyboarding on the internet? So, DANTE was wrong?

The revolution passed over even keyboard warriors Putin buried Clinton with social media and it took off from there

What you are seeing on TV is beyond irrelevant

And I didn't say "neutral," he's more like apolitical.

He has a point that unfunny "eff tfg" routines are not as effective as funny commentary. Hard belly laughing at tRump's idiocy is one of our best weapons. I wish he gave more of an obviously negative opinion of Dump here, but I don't see this as an endorsement.

than on other targets.

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American TV Host and Comedian Conan O'Brien Interview at the Oxford Union
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But, they are nailing Trump and it's funny. Plus, it really gets under his skin.

He's not endorsing TSF.

I know tensions are high these days but c‘Mon.

"red pilled" means radically wingnut, no? I have provided context and nowhere have I tagged him as radically wingnut or even de facto such. I've said his LENO-like both sides apolitical tact *helps* the wrong side.

No worries. It happens.

It get's cheers from likeminded people, but everyone else just tunes it out. Conan is saying that if you want to influence moderates, or even conservatives, your art needs to be appealing. A comedian that doesn't tell jokes isn't appealing.

"inlfluencing moderates/conservatives" is about politics, not comedy. He's targeting comedians who say "F (KRASNOV)" only. Yes, most of us are likeminded with KIMMEL/COLBERT, but they also uplift us with how well they express it and with such truth. Conan has always been 95% pure comedy and less than 5% political. That's fine for him. And as I've said quite enough times here, I like him, I watch him for my break from politics not for the many silly tangents apart from his main comedy.

But my *MILD* disappointment here has been distorted to be accusations of me calling him a supporter of KRASNOV. So then I'm upgrading my *mildness* to the gravity of criticism that if Conan is dedicated to avoiding commitment to political discourse such as not being too critical of KRASNOV, fine, but then he has no business targeting others who have their own commitments.

Who knows which comedians who don't "tell jokes" you are talking about. We all have our tastes, and I and many others find KIMMEL/COLBERT/MEYERS to be extremely funny, intelligent, and courageous, in case you're talking about them.

I am always surprised and mystified when my less-erratic posts that I put effort and time on and think are inoffensive and worthy of wide community support seem to be magnets for hostility.

The American People won't take seriously what Tr**p is doing to them and our country.

But Tr**p says he's joking - but he follows through and turns his jokes into reality. Each time he does this he sucks more of our country and democracy down the drain.

We laugh at Tr**p and he takes advantage of that to take apart our government piece by piece.

They are eviscerating him - but not everyone gets what you and I are getting out Kimmel and Cobert.

Many people see them as comedians. So they don't take their words as seriously as you or I do.

In their mindset Tr**p is just a joke.

As such - this is where my concern is coming from. Are they picking up on the seriousness of the situation or are they just passing it off for a few yuks?

He studies history, especially American history and presidents a lot. I have noticed him make several jokes against this administration on his podcast for example, even though most people consider him a non-political comedian.

on politics. I certainly know that he's a student of stuff and regard him as on "our" side in matters of creativity and thriving on a free environment. I like his nimble mind, but tune out the silly tangents the way I tune out the sketch side of SNL and the like.

I *did* say that my disappointment was multi-level and "for now", not sweeping.

He says that comics need to be funny and not just angry. He's right

I'm always mystified when they aren't clear enough for so many others.

Doesn't mean your point wasn't clear.

But to put it another way, let's look at your assumptions in this thread.

Conan said comedians shouldn't rely on saying fuck Trump. You took that to mean Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert. Being on public airways, I'm guessing they've literally never said fuck Trump in their shows. So there's no reason to believe O'Brien was speaking of them. And given O'Brien publicly supported Kimmel when Kimmel was suspended. So again, doesn't lend itself to assuming that's what O'Brien meant. And he's friends with Colbert.

What makes you assume that's who O'Brien was referring to? Have you considered that you're angry over something that you only interpreted and not on what was actually said?

only goes so far, since you claim my thrust is about something of your making, not mine. I said/REPEATED many times that Conan is on my Good list. My criticism (if you will) was specifically about his making his clear distance from comedians making a major topic out of KRASNOV. Nowhere did I insinuate that he was an enemy of KIMMEL/COLBERT. Yes, I brought them up because they are the most prominent ones targeting KRASNOV, absolutely NO/ASSUMPTION on my part about Conan being their enemy. Who else is targeted by KRASNOV with threats to get them fired and taking away the governmental licenses?

So who knows where you got the idea I was "angry" and mis-"interpreted"? I posted with mildness and softly couched "disappointment" and "for now." When the onslaught of distortions began, my dander was upped without lacking civility.

But for your edification, I'll proceed to Self-delete to stop the bloodlust, not because of rescinding anything.

without being political.

I know where his politics stand, and I know what he means here.

Conan is a good dude and laughter is important in trying times. Some people don't want Trump to pervade all realms of experience, so there is room for non-political comedy.

Kimmel is probably the most anti Trump and I think he still goes after Trump in funny ways.

I always thought ridiculing Trump and laughing at him was better than responding to him in a serious manner.

It has fueled his Obama rage for 15 yrs and counting…

It isn't very effective, and the audience ends up consisting solely of people who already agree with them. There's no enlightenment, no persuasion, no conversion. It's choir preaching of the highest order.

Laughter breaks down barriers, provides for an opening in thinking, and allows people to let down their guard. It trades in common humanity.

The professional ranter comedians are so . . . unenjoyable. They have no joy, no happiness. The exude either deep sarcastic unhappiness or totally insufferable self-regard. It's unwatchable unless you're already on their team. And even then, as in my case, the insufferability undermines everything to the point of disinterest.

Conan's joyful. Give me that vibe every day of the week. That doesn't mean a rejection of politics. It means a rejection of bitterness.

Bitterness is unpleasant to be around for any extended period of time. When a comedian trades in endless bitterness, where's the fun? It's what killed Samantha Bee for me. I loved, loved, loved her on the Daily Show. Then she got her own show and screamed at people the entire time.

Tapped right on out of that one.

And as for "tuning out rants ... no enlightenment/conversion... "" _ uh, Dear Leader's voters must be the exceptions, don't seem to mind coming from Dear Leader?

Yes, there has been a debate forever between Art being either "art for art's sake" (pure comedy/painting/music) vs "art as programatic" (agenda, message, mission).

I find KIMMEL/COLBERT to be every enjoyable, happy, and both funny/serious. Conan is fun mostly, yes childishly silly/creative.

And I agree with you about BEE and others of her characteristics no matter how much they are on our side, trudging along the laundry list of points that we already know and agree with - self-conscious, taking themselves seriously, predictable.

We're talking about comedians in the context of comedy. It has nothing to do with how Trump voters respond to Trump. Those are completely different contexts.

I would put people like Stewart in a different category. Similar to Maher. They're comedic political commentators. They aim for a specific audience. Whereas the late night shows used to be for more general audiences, but they've devolved over time to being nonstop partisan political commentators.

The problem with that is audience capture. They now mostly play to Democratic viewership, and so their material now revolves around their politics being palatable to that specific audience.

The truth of this lays in the Stewart example. Say what one will, he's not audience captured. He says what he thinks regardless of palatability. And what's the response? Well, the response you just gave. Every time Stewart moves a smidge off the partisan grounds, there's a meltdown. The expectation isn't whether or not he's funny. The expectation is that he has to have the correct politics.

The comedy becomes secondary to the partisan consideration - the partisan demand.

And that's where late night has started failing as comedy. They made their brand partisan commentary that is secondary to the comedy. Sure, sometimes it can be funny. But if you're seeking pure comedy, it gets real tedious real fast. Why do I want to tune into a comedian to give me lukewarm comedic takes and anger when I'm trying to unwind from an already stressful day? It feels like the people who watch them are already pissed off 24/7 and need their comedy to be pissed off 24/7. They desire clapter over laughter.

It's not my bag and not what I consider good comedy. But this is all very subjective.

Basically all he's saying is to be creative when it comes to your humor.

Just yelling and being angry isn't objectively very funny, no matter your political philosophy.

You see it by those guys who think just saying offensive stuff, or ranting about not being able to say offensive stuff, is somehow funny. It's just not funny. Think Roseanne as of late. Or that abomination of that right-wing animated series, The New Norm, which currently has an IMDB rating 1.3 out of 10, with one reviewer saying it was so bad they got syphilis.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32761125/

And we can hate Trump all we want for, and yell and shout about it. All for good, justifiable reason. But that alone isn't humor.

Humor always takes creativity, and yelling and shouting isn't very creative.

I’m not aware of any comedians screaming f-trump.


Late night shows can’t use that phrase.

Mockery is more effective than curse words. Which is what the late night comedians do, they mock him with his own words.

So

Who is Conan referring to?

There are eras when the real life threats far exceed the power of comedy, when comedians become a frontline to attack and defeat. This is one of those times.

Uh, what's less funny than pontificating from on high. But far worse, dear Conan, is staying neutral/collaborating in real life danger, as DANTE said/paraphrasing: The worst circle of hell is for those who don't take a stand for good. You help the despicably Bad (my words).

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.... In a conversation with Oxford Union on Tuesday, O’Brien noted he often hears people say how “great” Trump must be for comedians. The one-time Tonight Show host argued the opposite, saying “talking crazy” is part of Trump’s brand and it makes it difficult to structure satire around it. O’Brien cited Trump’s construction of a White House ballroom as something sketch comedy writers would likely come up with to mock Trump — except it’s reality. ....

Some comics go the route of I’m going to just say ‘F Trump’ all the time or that’s their comedy. And I think well now, a little bit, you’re being co-opted because you’re so angry. You’ve been lulled. It’s like a siren leading you into the rocks. You’ve been lulled into just saying ‘F Trump. F Trump. F Trump. Screw this guy.’ And I think you’ve now put down your best weapon, which is being funny, and you’ve exchanged it for anger.

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That person or any person like that would say, ‘Well, things are too serious now. I don’t need to be funny.’ And I think, well, if you’re a comedian, you always need to be funny. You just have to find a way. And you just have to find a way to channel that anger into a way…because good art will always be a great weapon, will always be a perfect weapon against power. But if you’re just screaming and you’re just angry, you’ve lost your best tool in the toolbox.

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