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PeaceWave

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Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:13 AM Monday

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After the UN takes over Venezuela and installs a very large peace keeping force lapfog_1 Monday #1
Fully agree. Aussie105 Monday #7
This! Blue_Roses Monday #14
If everything ForgedCrank Monday #2
Nope. He literally ran a criminal organization that killed his people who protested. Melon Monday #3
A simpler question. Aussie105 Monday #4
What's the answer to the question the OP asked? Without changing it to your own question. Melon Monday #8
The question is phrased in such a way there is only one possible answer. Aussie105 Monday #9
I just re read it. I think your question is entirely Melon Monday #10
That's the point - the question is loaded because those 2 truths are smashed together in the OP question muriel_volestrangler Monday #17
I believe it's the 'complex question fallacy' Torchlight Monday #19
My question is AZProgressive Monday #5
Don't worry. Aussie105 Monday #6
Illegal kidnapping would be grounds for dismissal Blue Full Moon Monday #11
Now that it's happened: No. That doesn't make what happened right. Coventina Monday #12
No, a bad guy is a bad guy. Venezuelans deseve something better. tirebiter Monday #13
NO, absolutely not ... he's rotten & corrupt. nt Raine Monday #15
No, that's not a simple question. muriel_volestrangler Monday #16
Simple answer malaise Monday #18
How much longer is DU going to put up with this? Prairie Gates Monday #20
All he had to do was play ball with the western capitalists. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #21
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Monday #22

lapfog_1

(31,664 posts)
1. After the UN takes over Venezuela and installs a very large peace keeping force
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:20 AM
Monday

And they have free and fair elections, then Maduro should be returned to Venezuela to FACE charges THERE about election fraud.

I have a number of friends of mine from Venezuela ( some are in exile in Chile ) and this is what they tell me THEY want. And really this should not be up to us, it should be up to them.

Right now they tell me the grocery stores are empty and there is no medicine, power is intermittent at best in Caracas. so immediate humanitarian aid is needed... then they can start thinking about the future... THEIR future.

Aussie105

(7,653 posts)
7. Fully agree.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:50 AM
Monday

No one looks favourably on 'this is what you want' imposed from outside, it needs to come from within Venezuela.

Venezuela needs humanitarian aid to make life bearable for the average citizen, not heavy handed military invasion.

Blue_Roses

(13,779 posts)
14. This!
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 03:08 AM
Monday

Well said!

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
2. If everything
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:21 AM
Monday

claimed is true, no. He belongs in prison.
This isn't about who is our President at this moment, that shouldn't even be a considered factor here. I'm not interested in letting a cartel leader loose simply because I don't like the guy who arrested him. But I don't even know if any of that is actually true or not, I have not followed the Venezuela thing in detail.

Melon

(1,093 posts)
3. Nope. He literally ran a criminal organization that killed his people who protested.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:30 AM
Monday

In 2018 they had a 1,000,000% inflation. That’s the year I stopped doing business with the country because it was no longer possible. 2013 - 2025, Chavez and then Maduro destroyed the country. The USA lost 30% of its GDP during the great depression. Venezuela lost 80% of its GDP under their rule. People survived eating from the trash. They killed and ate the city animals. This was to enrich their elites while espousing socialism for all.

Aussie105

(7,653 posts)
4. A simpler question.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:41 AM
Monday

Does any country have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of any other country?
Even one where internal turmoil, mismanagement, blatant cruelty and self-interest by the elite is destroying it from inside?

If you answered YES, then the US is open for the same treatment Trump has imposed on Venezuela.

Think about it.

Not like America can claim the moral high ground at the moment.


Melon

(1,093 posts)
8. What's the answer to the question the OP asked? Without changing it to your own question.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:53 AM
Monday

Aussie105

(7,653 posts)
9. The question is phrased in such a way there is only one possible answer.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:59 AM
Monday

It's a loaded question that doesn't deserve an answer.

Similar to 'Have you stopped beating your wife yet?'

Melon

(1,093 posts)
10. I just re read it. I think your question is entirely
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 01:05 AM
Monday

Different and the other question is valid.
You can have two truths. Maduro was shit. Maduro should not have been removed moved.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,574 posts)
17. That's the point - the question is loaded because those 2 truths are smashed together in the OP question
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 04:29 AM
Monday

"Maduro was shit" - so most people here don't want him back "in control" in Venezuela.

"Maduro should not have been removed moved" - so there's an argument he should be released from prison.

Torchlight

(6,316 posts)
19. I believe it's the 'complex question fallacy'
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 09:08 AM
Monday

and asks a question that touches upon more than one issue, yet allows only for one answer.

AZProgressive

(29,852 posts)
5. My question is
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:45 AM
Monday

what happens if he isn't convicted at trial? What should he be allowed to do in that scenario or do we just deport him and to where?

Aussie105

(7,653 posts)
6. Don't worry.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 12:47 AM
Monday

It will be a sham trial.

Guilty as charged from the word go.

Blue Full Moon

(3,171 posts)
11. Illegal kidnapping would be grounds for dismissal
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 01:05 AM
Monday

Coventina

(29,172 posts)
12. Now that it's happened: No. That doesn't make what happened right.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 01:06 AM
Monday

As your "simple question" seems to force people to say.

Well, I'm not going to say it.

tirebiter

(2,667 posts)
13. No, a bad guy is a bad guy. Venezuelans deseve something better.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 01:17 AM
Monday

Trump is irrelevant. The next Democratic president can establish a good working relationship. We failed by not electing Harris. Biden already had Maduro under DEA and CIA investigation. Boat bombing has to be declared and remain illegal. This could have been done above board. We still need to retake Congress.

Raine

(31,095 posts)
15. NO, absolutely not ... he's rotten & corrupt. nt
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 03:37 AM
Monday

muriel_volestrangler

(105,574 posts)
16. No, that's not a simple question.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 04:25 AM
Monday

It is, in some ways, a leading question. You've put multiple actions ("released", "returned" and "to resume control" ) all into one question, and then added another question about this being via a Democratic Presidential pardon.

It's thus highly speculative, and includes a future situation (from 2029 onwards), when much might happen between now and then.

I'll ask you a "simple" question (simpler, anyway): Do you believe there is enough genuine evidence to convict Maduro in a fair US court and process (ie beyond reasonable doubt) of the charges that have been brought against him?

malaise

(292,858 posts)
18. Simple answer
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 05:14 AM
Monday

The entire act is illegal

Prairie Gates

(7,205 posts)
20. How much longer is DU going to put up with this?
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 09:25 AM
Monday

BlueTsunami2018

(4,865 posts)
21. All he had to do was play ball with the western capitalists.
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 09:31 AM
Monday

And he would have been fine. Instead he entertained the BRICS nations and so he had to go.

It’s that simple. This is all about the petrodollar.

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