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kentuck

(115,116 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:07 AM Sunday

Does any sane person believe we can survive intact as a nation for three more years?

Just think how far we have gone down the rat-hole in 12 months?

How dark would it be in 4 years?

If you are not thinking about this possibility, then you may be in deep denial?

Just because irrational Republicans can always come up with an excuse or reason for any insane action or policy does not make it any less insane. They are lacking in rational thought and reasoning ability.

Can you imagine where we will be in 3 more years?

Or is it too difficult to even try?

We see the warning. It is up to us to correct course or to ignore it.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. That is Newton's Third Law of Motion.

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Does any sane person believe we can survive intact as a nation for three more years? (Original Post) kentuck Sunday OP
I believe Trump is itching to drop a nuke, anywhere. C_U_L8R Sunday #1
Me, too. I suspect it would be on Iran and then we're really going to be in trouble. Vinca Sunday #4
As a child, he found joy stomping on ant hills C_U_L8R Sunday #13
Too bad he didn't grow up where they were fire ants raccoon Sunday #55
Maybe Los Angeles, New York, or Chicago. milestogo Sunday #20
He especially hates cities like San Francisco. red dog 1 Sunday #56
I think part of the reason every country on earth hasn't pursued it's own nuclear weapons is because they believed ToxMarz Sunday #15
I was sure he was going to do it when he got in the first time. I still think it's possible mucifer Sunday #52
That could be his last choice to stay in office bluestarone Sunday #60
I keep thinking as soon as they Tree Lady Sunday #61
Even people who have watched authoritarians PatSeg Sunday #2
It's happened even faster in the past actually LostOne4Ever Sunday #17
No one is coming to save us dlk Sunday #3
The U.S. is teetering... BH liberal Sunday #5
Trump is not the problem, he's only the symptom Random Boomer Sunday #21
Yes he is just the snake oil salesman. Irish_Dem Sunday #28
And that authoritarian mindset is the mindset of the oldigarchs. They must be taxed out of existence but I am not in2herbs Sunday #38
At this point, the symptom prevents effective addressing of the causes, and must be removed for the USA to heal 0rganism Sunday #40
Europe in the 1800s might be prime evidence bucolic_frolic Sunday #6
We need to party like it's... BH liberal Sunday #7
LOL popsdenver Sunday #24
A la Fargo? The Roux Comes First Sunday #54
Nah popsdenver Sunday #59
I did not think so edhopper Sunday #8
We survived 8 years of W Bluestocking Sunday #9
Yes, we somehow did. Katinfl Sunday #22
W was probably the dumbest POTUS ever, until Drumpf came along. red dog 1 Sunday #57
Trump is a thousand times worse than W would ever even have wanted to be. FascismIsDeath Sunday #49
We will not survive three more years. CrispyQ Sunday #10
Spot on! BH liberal Sunday #11
I agree with you BUT those emotions must be stronger against the olldigarchs than they are against MAGA. None of what in2herbs Sunday #39
I agree. What disaster awaits us? yellow dahlia Sunday #45
Bullies get their noses squashed. Baitball Blogger Sunday #12
Because if they have them DetroitLegalBeagle Sunday #34
I am not sure you will survive until the midterms, if there are any midterms. Bev54 Sunday #14
Good point. yellow dahlia Sunday #46
"if there are any midterms" red dog 1 Sunday #58
Germany survived 12 years of Hitler Kennah Sunday #16
No it didn't liberalgunwilltravel Sunday #18
Yes ... Kennah Sunday #31
I think you mean under 12 years... haele Sunday #33
I'm Not Sure RobinA Sunday #43
I'm not saying it will be good. Humans survived Toba. Kennah Sunday #50
I believe Greg_In_SF Sunday #19
Wish I could share your optimism. Katinfl Sunday #23
Pure evil.... Humanityfirst Sunday #25
no. balkanization is the BEST outcome for the rest of trump's life. rampartd Sunday #26
If putin's agent orange keeps doubling his net worth every year like he did this year by grifting he will be untouchable yaesu Sunday #27
We got bdamomma Sunday #29
"Trump is not the problem, he's only the symptom" J_William_Ryan Sunday #30
Define "intact" Martin Eden Sunday #32
Good points. yellow dahlia Sunday #47
I think that it is clear that the mango Malefactor can and do whatever he wants both domestically and around the globe CentralMass Sunday #35
It is already destroyed Soaps Sunday #36
The Supreme Court can make the fucker a King, but they can't fix the impending doom of his failing health. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sunday #37
Other much older countries than us, have been torn apart MerryBlooms Sunday #41
We will be lucky if it's only 3 more years... Ferrets are Cool Sunday #42
Catastrophic climate change will make today's problems seem small Kaleva Sunday #44
Yup yellow dahlia Sunday #48
The nation will be intact. We will all be in the same fucking cesspit together. RockRaven Sunday #51
only 3 years and 2 weeks... almost there! WarGamer Sunday #53
I've posted here before about a former high schooler who is full fledged QAnon. hamsterjill Sunday #62
"ThIs iS wHAt i VOteD fOr!" Efilroft Sul Sunday #63
Let's see....if tump invades all these countries: Chipper Chat Sunday #64
I don't believe Trump will last another three years. He will be removed from office before then--- Jack Valentino Sunday #65
Vote while we still can. Joinfortmill Sunday #66

C_U_L8R

(48,885 posts)
1. I believe Trump is itching to drop a nuke, anywhere.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:10 AM
Sunday

What happens next might be the answer to your question.

C_U_L8R

(48,885 posts)
13. As a child, he found joy stomping on ant hills
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:50 PM
Sunday

His desires have not changed, only grown worse and more deviant.

raccoon

(32,212 posts)
55. Too bad he didn't grow up where they were fire ants
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:09 PM
Sunday

He wouldn’t have done that more than once

ToxMarz

(2,758 posts)
15. I think part of the reason every country on earth hasn't pursued it's own nuclear weapons is because they believed
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:07 PM
Sunday

in the Unted States adherence to the rule of law. Whatever differences they had, they trusted us to behave resonably and be enough of a nuclear deterrence to the really bad actors of the world that they were protected The investment in building their own programs was unneccessary. Now I don't see how any nation can feel truly safe from the whims of Trumps America and it's commitment to stand behind it's allies. Having their own nuclear weapons may be the only option to protect themselves from the Trump America and the bad actors..

mucifer

(25,526 posts)
52. I was sure he was going to do it when he got in the first time. I still think it's possible
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:24 PM
Sunday

bluestarone

(21,193 posts)
60. That could be his last choice to stay in office
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:51 PM
Sunday

THIS would not surprise me at all. (I KNOW he would)

Tree Lady

(13,009 posts)
61. I keep thinking as soon as they
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:58 PM
Sunday

Tell him he only has less than a year to live he will do it, take us all down with him. He cares for no one besides himself.

He has the power and no one will stop him.

PatSeg

(52,197 posts)
2. Even people who have watched authoritarians
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:13 AM
Sunday

take over their countries have said, they have never seen anything like this happen so fast.

LostOne4Ever

(9,734 posts)
17. It's happened even faster in the past actually
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:20 PM
Sunday

We got to fight this tooth and nail now so we don’t go down that road!

BH liberal

(121 posts)
5. The U.S. is teetering...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:18 AM
Sunday

on the brink of the abyss. Trump must be removed; it's just a question of how it will happen. At this point, I would welcome any method.

Random Boomer

(4,386 posts)
21. Trump is not the problem, he's only the symptom
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:36 PM
Sunday

Trump could be stopped in his tracks this very day by Congress... if they wanted to do so. But the GOP faction that controls Congress supports him; the Supreme Court has enabled him as an authoritarian; his staff and cabinet are enthusiastically carrying out their own agendas and letting Trump take the credit.

Removing Trump would expose the factions behind the facade and unleash a struggle for control. It would not remove the authoritarian mindset that they all support.

Irish_Dem

(79,859 posts)
28. Yes he is just the snake oil salesman.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:04 PM
Sunday

US congress, courts, Supreme Court, media, all the checks and balances folded like lawn chairs.

in2herbs

(4,239 posts)
38. And that authoritarian mindset is the mindset of the oldigarchs. They must be taxed out of existence but I am not
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:45 PM
Sunday

hopeful that any present or future congress person will even tax the oldigarchs to make a difference.

0rganism

(25,474 posts)
40. At this point, the symptom prevents effective addressing of the causes, and must be removed for the USA to heal
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:51 PM
Sunday

Personally, I'd welcome a move to "expose the factions behind the facade and unleash a struggle for control". Sure, it's not the complete cure, but the ugliness of their factional struggle could help temporarily to reduce the mass appeal of authoritarianism.

bucolic_frolic

(54,059 posts)
6. Europe in the 1800s might be prime evidence
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:18 AM
Sunday

This continent has been relatively stable since 1865. Europe in that period suffered from industrialization, the emergence of modern capitalism, legacy monarchies, burgeoning populations outgrowing the food supplies, migrations - they came here. But the strife continued. Monarchies were retired, communes came and went, rebellions happened here and there. We're in it. How long will we cling to the hope our Constitution is intact in the face of evidence of its dissolution?

We have the idea of freedom up against 50 different economic forces, political systems that don't agree. We get the magic back with majorities of some kind. But who knows when?

popsdenver

(1,562 posts)
24. LOL
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:52 PM
Sunday

The j6ers brought a gallows to the capitol, how about if someone brought a guillotine?????? LOL

Or even better yet, a wood chipper like the tree services use......

There is N.F.W. this nation can survive a few more months of this, much less, more years.....

Katinfl

(641 posts)
22. Yes, we somehow did.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:40 PM
Sunday

But this is worse. At least W had some sense and was surrounded by somewhat intelligent people. They were better than the ones we have now. I’m not saying everything was good with W because it wasn’t, but I would take him and his cronies in a heartbeat right now. Three years is a lifetime these days and we probably won’t make it. Sad.

FascismIsDeath

(54 posts)
49. Trump is a thousand times worse than W would ever even have wanted to be.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 04:02 PM
Sunday

I remember the fiery hatred I use to have for Bush. After Trump, that has lessened a LOT. The one things I could never forgive though was lying to the whole country to get us into war in Iraq and the torture programs his administration engaged in. And that was the only thing, in my eyes, that Trump had going for him over Bush.... after these recent actions though, I think Trump will no longer have that going for him either, making Bush better than him in every single way.

Don't get me wrong, Bush was still a terrible president with an atrocious record on foreign policy, the economy and to some extent, civil rights. He failed badly when Katrina hit but that was mostly incompetence, not intentional evil (I don't think). But he wasn't a racist. He respected our institutions. He wasn't cruel for the sake of being cruel. He wanted humane immigration reform. He valued things like fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa. He was a dumb, run of the mill, old school conservative. Gun to head, if I had to choose 4 more years of Bush vs 3 more of Trump, I'd go with the former.

CrispyQ

(40,674 posts)
10. We will not survive three more years.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:45 AM
Sunday

The damage done in one year is staggering, to our reputation, to our fellow citizens, & to our economy. At a micro level, there are people I will never look at the same, people who I had great affection for, people I never thought I'd lose total respect for, but I have. They can all fuck off. I'm okay with not being a big enough person to forgive them.

BH liberal

(121 posts)
11. Spot on!
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:54 AM
Sunday

And too many of the Trump voters are still unrepentant as they continue to support the most dangerous of the administration's policies, including the public health debacle unfolding.

in2herbs

(4,239 posts)
39. I agree with you BUT those emotions must be stronger against the olldigarchs than they are against MAGA. None of what
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:50 PM
Sunday

is happening could be done without a funding source and MAGAs don't have a funding source to accomplish what is happening. Only the oldigarchs have the money and power.

WE need to turn our anger and attention against the oldigarchs more than the MAGAs.

yellow dahlia

(4,577 posts)
45. I agree. What disaster awaits us?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:53 PM
Sunday

I contend we didn't actually "survive" the first "term".

Covid is still with us.

Many lost their lives, unnecessarily. Some are dealing with long Covid. Many who have health issues have had to change their daily lives to take extra precautions. There are those who have limited indoor activity with others.

Survive? Define survive.

I have always said that Covid overtook the world because of direct actions from the grifter. He removed key CDC personnel from China early on in his first term. Remember - he is ant-bureaucracy and ani-expert.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/

And now with the cuts and chaos at the CDC and other health agencies, what disaster awaits us?

Baitball Blogger

(51,738 posts)
12. Bullies get their noses squashed.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:59 AM
Sunday

So, we should prepare ourselves for retaliation. I just hope it's something that affects Trump more than it does us.

Like, Jesus, why doesn't another nation reveal photos of Trump in compromising positions? I'm sure they're out there.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,461 posts)
34. Because if they have them
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:27 PM
Sunday

They will save them for when it benefits them the most. Not us, not another country, them only.

Bev54

(13,206 posts)
14. I am not sure you will survive until the midterms, if there are any midterms.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:58 PM
Sunday

He seems to be accelerating.

red dog 1

(32,509 posts)
58. "if there are any midterms"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:38 PM
Sunday

If the Trump Crime Family in Congress and on SCOTUS let him, he might find a way to prevent the midterms from even taking place.

For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,080 posts)
18. No it didn't
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:28 PM
Sunday

Germany was reduced to rubble and the Soviets took half of it for almost 50 years. And if it was for the US and the Marshall plan, who knows what it would be today.

Kennah

(14,554 posts)
31. Yes ...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:09 PM
Sunday

... it was torn in two, and without support and occupation it might not have survived. But it did survive. West Germany was free and intact. Even after the wall came down 36 years ago, the East and West divide still exists, economically. Again, Germany remained though not as Nazi Germany.

haele

(15,087 posts)
33. I think you mean under 12 years...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:24 PM
Sunday

The German population was already suffering from the effects of a world wide depression and I ternal political violence because aimless, unemployed youth has a bad habit of turning into foot soldiers for greedy old men grasping for power during chaos.

Hitler "gave them stability" by getting rid of his opposition and giving them a common enemy to excuse his brand of corrupt excesses and ideology.
Just as any other tyrant who would in his position.

So long as the normative majority of productive people - especially the landowners, business folks and professionals - feel like they're not being targeted, they're willing to let their competition and other lesser people or minorities be targeted.

Basic rule of thumb - it takes a middle class to create a successful, lasting revolution. They're the ones with enough education and money to fund and build enough of a stable foundation for the rapid change to be sustained without creating a significant power vacuum.

That's why the best way for wealthy interests to destroy a country's political structure is economically; destroy the middle class, create a significant wealth gap, so those without become more desperate - and violent - to survive.
Convince those remaining with money and resources that it's all a zero sum game and no one is to be trusted, and you'll get a pretty good protection racket going on.

Humanityfirst

(10 posts)
25. Pure evil....
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:54 PM
Sunday

...is the new normal. It is hear to say. The USA is no more. Where will we be in 3 years: no help for disasters, no truth for any aspect of government, hospitals will be gone, no jobs, no education, no environment to live in or grow food, no laws, only terror, --- it will be as Octavia Butler predicted. Dystopia.

rampartd

(3,822 posts)
26. no. balkanization is the BEST outcome for the rest of trump's life.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:01 PM
Sunday

after that the options are still bad, but trump must die (preferably taking all his offspring and descendants) before we will even know how much work we will need to do.

yaesu

(9,006 posts)
27. If putin's agent orange keeps doubling his net worth every year like he did this year by grifting he will be untouchable
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:02 PM
Sunday

like musk and will be even worse to control or give the boot.

J_William_Ryan

(3,339 posts)
30. "Trump is not the problem, he's only the symptom"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:07 PM
Sunday

Correct.

And the GOP faction that controls Congress is the consequence of the fear, ignorance, and stupidity of the voters who put them in control – the people are solely responsible for the bad government they get.

Last, Trump represents the failure of American governance and democracy, lacking the means by which to remove autocratic despots from power, the impeachment process having become corrupted and rendered useless due to partisan politics – specifically, Senate Republicans who have refused to convict presidents out of an unwarranted fear of ‘damaging’ the office of president.

Martin Eden

(15,363 posts)
32. Define "intact"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:14 PM
Sunday

Last edited Sun Jan 4, 2026, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Deeply divided?
That's been going on for decades.

Illegal war based on lies?
GW Bush invaded Iraq13 years ago.

People dying for lack of affordable health insurance?
Obamacare is less than 10 years old.

Violent insurrection?
5 years ago.

Survival of our Constitutional democracy?
Well, THAT is the REAL question. It's already crumbling with a demented con man destroying our government institutions, enabled by a complicit Congressional majority and Supreme Court.

Less than one full year into this criminal regime, the republic we have "If we can keep it" is no longer intact, and might be gone forever if we don't seriously turn things around THIS YEAR.

CentralMass

(16,855 posts)
35. I think that it is clear that the mango Malefactor can and do whatever he wants both domestically and around the globe
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:35 PM
Sunday

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,828 posts)
37. The Supreme Court can make the fucker a King, but they can't fix the impending doom of his failing health.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:44 PM
Sunday

Short live the King!

MerryBlooms

(12,161 posts)
41. Other much older countries than us, have been torn apart
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:56 PM
Sunday

I'm not so locked in to narcissistic belief, we could not also suffer the same fate.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,532 posts)
42. We will be lucky if it's only 3 more years...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:58 PM
Sunday

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.

Kaleva

(40,191 posts)
44. Catastrophic climate change will make today's problems seem small
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:00 PM
Sunday

Regardless of Trump, life is going to become very hard for the great majority of people on Earth

RockRaven

(18,729 posts)
51. The nation will be intact. We will all be in the same fucking cesspit together.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:20 PM
Sunday

Oh, I'm sorry, not cesspit.

Shithole.

The same fucking shithole is where we will all be.

hamsterjill

(17,038 posts)
62. I've posted here before about a former high schooler who is full fledged QAnon.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 08:25 PM
Sunday

I watch her Facebook page for shits and giggles. There has been a very definite shifting in her posts over the last few days normalizing the idea that Trump is going to be putting military into cities. Not national guard. Military. With martial law being invoked "for a period of time", of course.

Yes, I know of course that QAnon is ridiculous. But these are Trump's base people, and it is being done so that they will accept and applaud it when he does it.

Chipper Chat

(10,769 posts)
64. Let's see....if tump invades all these countries:
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:34 PM
Sunday

Venezuela, Mexico, Greenland, Canada, Cuba, Colombia - don't those countries have armies? Will Brazil side with their neighbors? Britain help Canada? Denmark help Greenland? Will Russia invade Alaska? Canada invade Vermont?
WW3?

Jack Valentino

(4,375 posts)
65. I don't believe Trump will last another three years. He will be removed from office before then---
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:22 PM
Sunday

either by natural death, or by the 25th amendment,
or a prophet hero with a gun



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