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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes any sane person believe we can survive intact as a nation for three more years?
Just think how far we have gone down the rat-hole in 12 months?
How dark would it be in 4 years?
If you are not thinking about this possibility, then you may be in deep denial?
Just because irrational Republicans can always come up with an excuse or reason for any insane action or policy does not make it any less insane. They are lacking in rational thought and reasoning ability.
Can you imagine where we will be in 3 more years?
Or is it too difficult to even try?
We see the warning. It is up to us to correct course or to ignore it.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. That is Newton's Third Law of Motion.
C_U_L8R
(48,885 posts)What happens next might be the answer to your question.
Vinca
(53,357 posts)C_U_L8R
(48,885 posts)His desires have not changed, only grown worse and more deviant.
raccoon
(32,212 posts)He wouldnt have done that more than once
milestogo
(22,590 posts)He hates big cities because they vote blue.
red dog 1
(32,509 posts)ToxMarz
(2,758 posts)in the Unted States adherence to the rule of law. Whatever differences they had, they trusted us to behave resonably and be enough of a nuclear deterrence to the really bad actors of the world that they were protected The investment in building their own programs was unneccessary. Now I don't see how any nation can feel truly safe from the whims of Trumps America and it's commitment to stand behind it's allies. Having their own nuclear weapons may be the only option to protect themselves from the Trump America and the bad actors..
mucifer
(25,526 posts)bluestarone
(21,193 posts)THIS would not surprise me at all. (I KNOW he would)
Tree Lady
(13,009 posts)Tell him he only has less than a year to live he will do it, take us all down with him. He cares for no one besides himself.
He has the power and no one will stop him.
PatSeg
(52,197 posts)take over their countries have said, they have never seen anything like this happen so fast.
LostOne4Ever
(9,734 posts)We got to fight this tooth and nail now so we dont go down that road!
dlk
(13,117 posts)We have to save ourselves.
BH liberal
(121 posts)on the brink of the abyss. Trump must be removed; it's just a question of how it will happen. At this point, I would welcome any method.
Random Boomer
(4,386 posts)Trump could be stopped in his tracks this very day by Congress... if they wanted to do so. But the GOP faction that controls Congress supports him; the Supreme Court has enabled him as an authoritarian; his staff and cabinet are enthusiastically carrying out their own agendas and letting Trump take the credit.
Removing Trump would expose the factions behind the facade and unleash a struggle for control. It would not remove the authoritarian mindset that they all support.
Irish_Dem
(79,859 posts)US congress, courts, Supreme Court, media, all the checks and balances folded like lawn chairs.
in2herbs
(4,239 posts)hopeful that any present or future congress person will even tax the oldigarchs to make a difference.
0rganism
(25,474 posts)Personally, I'd welcome a move to "expose the factions behind the facade and unleash a struggle for control". Sure, it's not the complete cure, but the ugliness of their factional struggle could help temporarily to reduce the mass appeal of authoritarianism.
bucolic_frolic
(54,059 posts)This continent has been relatively stable since 1865. Europe in that period suffered from industrialization, the emergence of modern capitalism, legacy monarchies, burgeoning populations outgrowing the food supplies, migrations - they came here. But the strife continued. Monarchies were retired, communes came and went, rebellions happened here and there. We're in it. How long will we cling to the hope our Constitution is intact in the face of evidence of its dissolution?
We have the idea of freedom up against 50 different economic forces, political systems that don't agree. We get the magic back with majorities of some kind. But who knows when?
BH liberal
(121 posts)1789. Guillotine! Guillotine! Guillotine!
The j6ers brought a gallows to the capitol, how about if someone brought a guillotine?????? LOL
Or even better yet, a wood chipper like the tree services use......
There is N.F.W. this nation can survive a few more months of this, much less, more years.....
The Roux Comes First
(2,156 posts)popsdenver
(1,562 posts)that was a residential chipper, they need an industrial size............
edhopper
(37,079 posts)in November of 2024.
Bluestocking
(515 posts)Just barely anyway.
Katinfl
(641 posts)But this is worse. At least W had some sense and was surrounded by somewhat intelligent people. They were better than the ones we have now. Im not saying everything was good with W because it wasnt, but I would take him and his cronies in a heartbeat right now. Three years is a lifetime these days and we probably wont make it. Sad.
red dog 1
(32,509 posts)FascismIsDeath
(54 posts)I remember the fiery hatred I use to have for Bush. After Trump, that has lessened a LOT. The one things I could never forgive though was lying to the whole country to get us into war in Iraq and the torture programs his administration engaged in. And that was the only thing, in my eyes, that Trump had going for him over Bush.... after these recent actions though, I think Trump will no longer have that going for him either, making Bush better than him in every single way.
Don't get me wrong, Bush was still a terrible president with an atrocious record on foreign policy, the economy and to some extent, civil rights. He failed badly when Katrina hit but that was mostly incompetence, not intentional evil (I don't think). But he wasn't a racist. He respected our institutions. He wasn't cruel for the sake of being cruel. He wanted humane immigration reform. He valued things like fighting the AIDS epidemic in Africa. He was a dumb, run of the mill, old school conservative. Gun to head, if I had to choose 4 more years of Bush vs 3 more of Trump, I'd go with the former.
CrispyQ
(40,674 posts)The damage done in one year is staggering, to our reputation, to our fellow citizens, & to our economy. At a micro level, there are people I will never look at the same, people who I had great affection for, people I never thought I'd lose total respect for, but I have. They can all fuck off. I'm okay with not being a big enough person to forgive them.
And too many of the Trump voters are still unrepentant as they continue to support the most dangerous of the administration's policies, including the public health debacle unfolding.
in2herbs
(4,239 posts)is happening could be done without a funding source and MAGAs don't have a funding source to accomplish what is happening. Only the oldigarchs have the money and power.
WE need to turn our anger and attention against the oldigarchs more than the MAGAs.
yellow dahlia
(4,577 posts)I contend we didn't actually "survive" the first "term".
Covid is still with us.
Many lost their lives, unnecessarily. Some are dealing with long Covid. Many who have health issues have had to change their daily lives to take extra precautions. There are those who have limited indoor activity with others.
Survive? Define survive.
I have always said that Covid overtook the world because of direct actions from the grifter. He removed key CDC personnel from China early on in his first term. Remember - he is ant-bureaucracy and ani-expert.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/
And now with the cuts and chaos at the CDC and other health agencies, what disaster awaits us?
Baitball Blogger
(51,738 posts)So, we should prepare ourselves for retaliation. I just hope it's something that affects Trump more than it does us.
Like, Jesus, why doesn't another nation reveal photos of Trump in compromising positions? I'm sure they're out there.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,461 posts)They will save them for when it benefits them the most. Not us, not another country, them only.
Bev54
(13,206 posts)He seems to be accelerating.
yellow dahlia
(4,577 posts)red dog 1
(32,509 posts)If the Trump Crime Family in Congress and on SCOTUS let him, he might find a way to prevent the midterms from even taking place.
For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
Kennah
(14,554 posts)liberalgunwilltravel
(1,080 posts)Germany was reduced to rubble and the Soviets took half of it for almost 50 years. And if it was for the US and the Marshall plan, who knows what it would be today.
Kennah
(14,554 posts)... it was torn in two, and without support and occupation it might not have survived. But it did survive. West Germany was free and intact. Even after the wall came down 36 years ago, the East and West divide still exists, economically. Again, Germany remained though not as Nazi Germany.
haele
(15,087 posts)The German population was already suffering from the effects of a world wide depression and I ternal political violence because aimless, unemployed youth has a bad habit of turning into foot soldiers for greedy old men grasping for power during chaos.
Hitler "gave them stability" by getting rid of his opposition and giving them a common enemy to excuse his brand of corrupt excesses and ideology.
Just as any other tyrant who would in his position.
So long as the normative majority of productive people - especially the landowners, business folks and professionals - feel like they're not being targeted, they're willing to let their competition and other lesser people or minorities be targeted.
Basic rule of thumb - it takes a middle class to create a successful, lasting revolution. They're the ones with enough education and money to fund and build enough of a stable foundation for the rapid change to be sustained without creating a significant power vacuum.
That's why the best way for wealthy interests to destroy a country's political structure is economically; destroy the middle class, create a significant wealth gap, so those without become more desperate - and violent - to survive.
Convince those remaining with money and resources that it's all a zero sum game and no one is to be trusted, and you'll get a pretty good protection racket going on.
I want to survive like that.
Kennah
(14,554 posts)Greg_In_SF
(888 posts)we will, just as we always have.
Katinfl
(641 posts)Humanityfirst
(10 posts)...is the new normal. It is hear to say. The USA is no more. Where will we be in 3 years: no help for disasters, no truth for any aspect of government, hospitals will be gone, no jobs, no education, no environment to live in or grow food, no laws, only terror, --- it will be as Octavia Butler predicted. Dystopia.
rampartd
(3,822 posts)after that the options are still bad, but trump must die (preferably taking all his offspring and descendants) before we will even know how much work we will need to do.
yaesu
(9,006 posts)like musk and will be even worse to control or give the boot.
bdamomma
(69,172 posts)A very weak Congress.
J_William_Ryan
(3,339 posts)Correct.
And the GOP faction that controls Congress is the consequence of the fear, ignorance, and stupidity of the voters who put them in control the people are solely responsible for the bad government they get.
Last, Trump represents the failure of American governance and democracy, lacking the means by which to remove autocratic despots from power, the impeachment process having become corrupted and rendered useless due to partisan politics specifically, Senate Republicans who have refused to convict presidents out of an unwarranted fear of damaging the office of president.
Martin Eden
(15,363 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 4, 2026, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)
Deeply divided?
That's been going on for decades.
Illegal war based on lies?
GW Bush invaded Iraq13 years ago.
People dying for lack of affordable health insurance?
Obamacare is less than 10 years old.
Violent insurrection?
5 years ago.
Survival of our Constitutional democracy?
Well, THAT is the REAL question. It's already crumbling with a demented con man destroying our government institutions, enabled by a complicit Congressional majority and Supreme Court.
Less than one full year into this criminal regime, the republic we have "If we can keep it" is no longer intact, and might be gone forever if we don't seriously turn things around THIS YEAR.
yellow dahlia
(4,577 posts)CentralMass
(16,855 posts)Soaps
(10 posts)Past the point of no return.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,828 posts)Short live the King!
MerryBlooms
(12,161 posts)I'm not so locked in to narcissistic belief, we could not also suffer the same fate.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,532 posts)Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.
Kaleva
(40,191 posts)Regardless of Trump, life is going to become very hard for the great majority of people on Earth
RockRaven
(18,729 posts)Oh, I'm sorry, not cesspit.
Shithole.
The same fucking shithole is where we will all be.
WarGamer
(18,255 posts)hamsterjill
(17,038 posts)I watch her Facebook page for shits and giggles. There has been a very definite shifting in her posts over the last few days normalizing the idea that Trump is going to be putting military into cities. Not national guard. Military. With martial law being invoked "for a period of time", of course.
Yes, I know of course that QAnon is ridiculous. But these are Trump's base people, and it is being done so that they will accept and applaud it when he does it.
Efilroft Sul
(4,317 posts)We know. We know.
Chipper Chat
(10,769 posts)Venezuela, Mexico, Greenland, Canada, Cuba, Colombia - don't those countries have armies? Will Brazil side with their neighbors? Britain help Canada? Denmark help Greenland? Will Russia invade Alaska? Canada invade Vermont?
WW3?
Jack Valentino
(4,375 posts)either by natural death, or by the 25th amendment,
or a prophet hero with a gun