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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo why don't we kidnap Putin?
Guys killed thousands if not millions of Ukrainians.

Who am I kidding?
SheltieLover
(76,860 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)Like a dog upon the return of his master.
Qutzupalotl
(15,661 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/07/29/trump-says-he-didnt-raise-issue-of-bounties-on-us-troops-during-phone-call-with-putin/
Irish_Dem
(79,859 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)We begin with the latest display of Putins capture of Trump who, after standing next to Zelensky at Mar a Lago saying he was 95% of the way to a peace deal to end Russiaa war on Ukraine, reversed himself after a call from Putin accepting the lie that Ukraine had struck one of Putins residences which Putin is using as an excuse to scuttle any peace deal which he clearly has no interest in. Joining us is Olga Lautman, a Non-resident Senior Fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis who is also the creator and co-host of the Kremlin File podcast series, which features expert discussions on the Kremlins internal affairs, global operations, and tactics used from their hybrid warfare toolkit to destabilize Western democracies. She has a Substack newsletter covering Russia, Ukraine, Eastern, and Central Europe with a focus on Russias intelligence operations available at olgalautman.substack.com where her latest article we discuss is, Trump Delivers a Christmas Gift to Putin by Targeting Europes Democracies.
God bless KPFA: https://kpfa.org/episode/background-briefing-5am-december-31-2025/
Irish_Dem
(79,859 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)That means Trump has to take USA out.
Its as if Hitler and Stalin were re-born.
Irish_Dem
(79,859 posts)The US gets North and South America.
Yes it is like Hitler, Stalin reborn.
ForgedCrank
(3,029 posts)imagine Putin is pretty PO'd about right now, this was bad for Russia, and also bad for China.
Trump doesn't go after Putin because Putin can do actual damage by fighting back. Trump won't attack people who can fight back, he's just a bully
Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)Thatd be great, however Putin knows he has a green light from traitor in regards to Ukraine. Xi knows Trumps a cowardly draft dodger and would screech about Taiwan, but fears open war over Taiwan. Both leaders profit bigly from their agent in the White House, whats left of it.
Wish we had an honest news media today or all US citizens of voting age read DU.
LPBBEAR
(639 posts)Beyond the fact that Trump and Pootie are bun buddies Russia has a military that is strong enough to shoot back effectively. We only attack countries with military's too small to be effective. That's how bullies work.
Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)Plus, the long-lived mobsters dont kidnap their bosses.
Did you see what Fiona Hill reported?
I myself, back in 2019, had a rather bizarre experience when I was in government where the Russians proposed a swap for Ukraine and Venezuela. Suggesting that as Venezuela we were having a crisis with Venezuela, at the time after Nicolas Maduro was, you know, basically trying to stay in power indefinitely that if we pulled out of Ukraine, they would pull out of Venezuela where theyd sent in some security people to help prop up Maduro. And it just reinforced the way that they think. And we should not play into that way of thinking.
Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/putins-war-in-ukraine-a-conversation-with-fiona-hill-and-angela-stent/
StoolPigeon
(205 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)
The perfect target: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years ex-KGB spy
The KGB played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian
by David Smith
The Guardian, January 29, 2021
Excerpt
This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump, Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.
Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s. He moved to the US permanently in 1993 and gained American citizenship. He works as a corporate security investigator and was a partner of Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated in London in 2006.
Unger describes how Trump first appeared on the Russians radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakias intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.
Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue.
According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called spotter agent who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
Craig Unger courageously lifted up the lid...

Trumps Russian Laundromat
How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.
By CRAIG UNGER
The New Republic, July , 2017
Excerpt...
Trump made his first trip to Russia in 1987, only a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, Trump was flown to Moscow and Leningradall expenses paidto talk business with high-ups in the Soviet command. In The Art of the Deal, Trump recounted the lunch meeting with Dubinin that led to the trip. One thing led to another, he wrote, and now Im talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.
Over the years, Trump and his sons would try and fail five times to build a new Trump Tower in Moscow. But for Trump, what mattered most were the lucrative connections he had begun to make with the Kremlinand with the wealthy Russians who would buy so many of his properties in the years to come. Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets, Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.
The money, illicit and otherwise, began to rain in earnest after the Soviet Union fell in 1991. President Boris Yeltsins shift to a market economy was so abrupt that cash-rich gangsters and corrupt government officials were able to privatize and loot state-held assets in oil, coal, minerals, and banking. Yeltsin himself, in fact, would later describe Russia as the biggest mafia state in the world. After Vladimir Putin succeeded Yeltsin as president, Russian intelligence effectively joined forces with the countrys mobsters and oligarchs, allowing them to operate freely as long as they strengthen Putins power and serve his personal financial interests. According to James Henry, a former chief economist at McKinsey & Company who consulted on the Panama Papers, some $1.3 trillion in illicit capital has poured out of Russia since the 1990s.
At the top of the sprawling criminal enterprise was Semion Mogilevich. Beginning in the early 1980s, according to the FBI, the short, squat Ukrainian was the key money-laundering contact for the Solntsevskaya Bratva, or Brotherhood, one of the richest criminal syndicates in the world. Before long, he was running a multibillion-dollar worldwide racket of his own. Mogilevich wasnt feared because he was the most violent gangster, but because he was reputedly the smartest. The FBI has credited the brainy don, who holds a degree in economics from Lviv University, with a staggering range of crimes. He ran drug trafficking and prostitution rings on an international scale; in one characteristic deal, he bought a bankrupt airline to ship heroin from Southeast Asia into Europe. He used a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest as a front for art that Russian gangsters stole from museums, churches, and synagogues all over Europe. He has also been accused of selling some $20 million in stolen weapons, including ground-to-air missiles and armored troop carriers, to Iran. He uses this wealth and power to not only further his criminal enterprises, the FBI says, but to influence governments and their economies.
In Russia, Mogilevichs influence reportedly reaches all the way to the top. In 2005, Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian intelligence agent who defected to London, recorded an interview with investigators detailing his inside knowledge of the Kremlins ties to organized crime. Mogilevich, he said in broken English, have good relationship with Putin since 1994 or 1993. A year later Litvinenko was dead, apparently poisoned by agents of the Kremlin.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
The stuff the deleted story needed to withstand the lawyers of MAGA
The Hidden History of Trump's First Trip to Moscow
In 1987, a young real estate developer traveled to the Soviet Union. The KGB almost certainly made the trip happen.
By LUKE HARDING
Politico, November 19, 2017
It was 1984 and General Vladimir Alexandrovich Kryuchkov had a problem. The general occupied one of the KGBs most exalted posts. He was head of the First Chief Directorate, the prestigious KGB arm responsible for gathering foreign intelligence.
Kryuchkov had begun his career with five years at the Soviet mission in Budapest under Ambassador Yuri Andropov. In 1967 Andropov became KGB chairman. Kryuchkov went to Moscow, took up a number of sensitive posts, and established a reputation as a devoted and hardworking officer. By 1984, Kryuchkovs directorate in Moscow was bigger than ever before12,000 officers, up from about 3,000 in the 1960s. His headquarters at Yasenevo, on the wooded southern outskirts of the city, was expanding: Workmen were busy constructing a 22-story annex and a new 11-story building.
In politics, change was in the air. Soon a new man would arrive in the Kremlin, Mikhail Gorbachev. Gorbachevs policy of detente with the Westa refreshing contrast to the global confrontation of previous general secretariesmeant the directorates work abroad was more important than ever.
Snipski...
The most revealing section concerned kompromat. The document asked for: Compromising information about subject, including illegal acts in financial and commercial affairs, intrigues, speculation, bribes, graft and exploitation of his position to enrich himself. Plus any other information that would compromise the subject before the countrys authorities and the general public. Naturally the KGB could exploit this by threatening disclosure.
Finally, his attitude towards women is also of interest. The document wanted to know: Is he in the habit of having affairs with women on the side?
When did the KGB open a file on Donald Trump? We dont know, but Eastern Bloc security service records suggest this may have been as early as 1977. That was the year when Trump married Ivana Zelnickova, a twenty-eight-year-old model from Czechoslovakia. Zelnickova was a citizen of a communist country. She was therefore of interest both to the Czech intelligence service, the StB, and to the FBI and CIA.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/
It ticks me off to think we have a pee-resident beholden to our nation's chief adversary. That MAGA and the GOP dont mind make clear who the traitors are. Almost as bad are the US news media cowed into silence by fear of offending a tyrant whos now targetting sovereign nations for his KGB masters and Big Oil, which through Bill Barr isnt a stretch.
Ping Tung
(4,141 posts)Grab the loot, put in a golf course, and you get a real cushy hotel for the contributors.
Kid Berwyn
(22,990 posts)Good to be on his side.
And while there are several courses and clubs, the City of Rome doesnt have a single Trump brand golf course. One American did propose a six-hole course to Pope Pius back in 1926
The Vatican golf course that never was and the American that pitched it to the Pope
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/vatican-golf-course-that-never-was-american-pitched-to-pope