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douglas9

(5,517 posts)
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:04 PM Dec 30

USPS says mail-in ballots might not get postmark on same day they're dropped off

The U.S. Postal Service has adopted a new rule that could create doubt about whether some ballots mailed by voters by Election Day will receive postmarks in time to be counted.

A USPS rule that took effect on Dec. 24 says mail might not receive a postmark on the same day the agency takes possession of it. The postal service says it isn’t changing its existing postmark practices and is merely clarifying its policy, but some election officials have looked to postmarks as a guarantee that mail ballots were cast before polls closed.

The new rule holds implications for 14 states and Washington, D.C., that count ballots arriving after Election Day if they are postmarked on or before that day — commonly called a “ballot grace period.” In these states, ballots placed in the mail by voters before the deadline may not be counted if the postal service applies a postmark after Election Day.

The USPS rule says that “the postmark date does not necessarily indicate the first day that the Postal Service had possession of the mailpiece.”

https://stateline.org/2025/12/30/usps-says-mail-in-ballots-might-not-get-postmark-on-same-day-theyre-dropped-off/

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USPS says mail-in ballots might not get postmark on same day they're dropped off (Original Post) douglas9 Dec 30 OP
My WA state ballotf rom a few months ago came with the warning: fierywoman Dec 30 #1
This is why I drop mine off at the township office. boonecreek Dec 30 #2
When ever possible Democrats need to do THIS bluestarone Dec 30 #14
Sounds like Trump wants to cancel out military votes from overseas. Emile Dec 30 #3
The stupid criminal bdamomma Dec 30 #13
Kick SheltieLover Dec 30 #4
FYI, "kicking" does not work in this forum AZJonnie Dec 30 #7
It doesn't? SheltieLover Dec 30 #8
Not in the traditional sense of what "kicking" means, no AZJonnie Dec 30 #9
I didn't realize there was a difference. SheltieLover Dec 30 #12
I edited my post since you read it, I was wrong, actually :) AZJonnie Dec 30 #15
Ty SheltieLover Dec 30 #18
Why not? MontanaMama Friday #26
I have never my life assumed that anything I put in the mailbox will be postmarked on that very day AZJonnie Dec 30 #5
Just an update, AZJonnie... Totally Tunsie Dec 30 #21
Right, that's right! Someone mentioned DeJoy upthread and I didn't think about it AZJonnie Dec 31 #23
And those ballot envelopes are pretty east to tell from business size envelopes with our checks to the power company Attilatheblond Friday #27
This was noted months ago PATRICK Dec 30 #6
As a worker in the Postal system PATRICK Dec 30 #11
One of the articles I read about this said postal customers could get an actual allegorical oracle Dec 30 #16
IF that is a possibility PATRICK Saturday #28
I don't understand why people wait so long to mail their ballots. chia Dec 30 #10
It's probably a bigger deal for tax returns EdmondDantes_ Dec 30 #19
Here's how to encourage more people to mail their ballots early: FakeNoose Dec 30 #17
All the more reason to use a drop box Tree Lady Dec 30 #20
Unfortunately, not all states allow drop boxes. Totally Tunsie Dec 30 #22
Gee you would think they don't want us to vote Tree Lady Dec 31 #24
Election Law Blog-"Postmark change could impact getting ballots, bills in on time" LetMyPeopleVote Friday #25

fierywoman

(8,505 posts)
1. My WA state ballotf rom a few months ago came with the warning:
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:08 PM
Dec 30

"Reminder! To ensure an on-time postmark, we recommend mailing your ballot by the Friday before Election Day."
Luckily, up here in WA state, we also have drop off boxes.
DeJoy has completely f---ed up what used to be the wonderful US Postal system.

boonecreek

(1,390 posts)
2. This is why I drop mine off at the township office.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:15 PM
Dec 30

And their drop box is inside the building.

bluestarone

(21,193 posts)
14. When ever possible Democrats need to do THIS
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:22 PM
Dec 30

We cannot take a chance that any of our votes not getting counted!!

bdamomma

(69,172 posts)
13. The stupid criminal
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:19 PM
Dec 30

wants to cheat his way in again. like Orrex posts "is he dead yet?"

AZJonnie

(2,836 posts)
9. Not in the traditional sense of what "kicking" means, no
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:06 PM
Dec 30

Edit: Nevermind maybe it does work that way here, I just never noticed because I always use the "Subscribed" (My Subs) forums or the "Latest Discussions" functions. When you mix the forums in this view, kicking doesn't work like this, but if you go straight to the forum, it does. My bad on that!!!

AZJonnie

(2,836 posts)
15. I edited my post since you read it, I was wrong, actually :)
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:49 PM
Dec 30

It does work if someone specifically visits the GD Forum index itself, but does not for the forum aggregating functions like My Subs or Latest Discussions which are how I use DU. My bad! Kick away!

AZJonnie

(2,836 posts)
5. I have never my life assumed that anything I put in the mailbox will be postmarked on that very day
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:57 PM
Dec 30

I don't even know why anyone would assume it would be, that's what not a postmark is, so this article (and esp. the headline) doesn't really make much sense to me

DeJoy sucks of course but this is not a change in the postmarking process. Mail your ballots early like the instructions on every one I've ever seen says that you should do, and you'll be fine. Or drop it off somewhere that you know it will be counted if you're running late, don't mail it. You can also show up to the polling place in some states with your mail-in or absentee ballot in hand, hand it over, and get a new ballot to use there.

Totally Tunsie

(11,576 posts)
21. Just an update, AZJonnie...
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:19 PM
Dec 30

Louis DeJoy is no longer Postmaster General. He resigned in March, 2025, and has been replaced by David Steiner, a former CEO of Waste Management and a FedEx board member.

AZJonnie

(2,836 posts)
23. Right, that's right! Someone mentioned DeJoy upthread and I didn't think about it
Wed Dec 31, 2025, 12:37 AM
Dec 31

But yeah now that you mention it I do recall when that happened. Thanks!

Attilatheblond

(8,305 posts)
27. And those ballot envelopes are pretty east to tell from business size envelopes with our checks to the power company
Fri Jan 2, 2026, 07:53 PM
Friday

THIS is why Trump put a total tool in charge of the USPS. He and Miller knew there would come a time when they really had to prevent ballots from being counted.

Official county drop off boxes, particularly the ones inside official buildings.
Some of us in our county, where supervisors try to stop our ballots from being counted in state totals by refusing to do lawful required duty to certify the vote count, have considered doing motorcade drives en masse to the county building where our county recorder's office is. It would work with lots of retirees who have the time during business hours. Especially effective if we get some of the local TV station reporters to come along. (so, make it a point to be on your local station's reporters radar, give em scoops so they will take your calls)

PATRICK

(12,347 posts)
6. This was noted months ago
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 01:58 PM
Dec 30

It is too under the radar. It is guaranteed to disenfranchise certain ballots. New Chicanery between now and then could be even worse, even to the point of suddenly "privatizing" the entire service and throwing the entire ballot system into convenient inconvenience to all voters. The fact we have to look out for our ballots in DU misses the main point that many if not most voters are/will be ignorant of this utterly needless"reduced standard". Where are our Dems on the Postal oversight committees? Where is the party's competence for political survival by protecting the vote? Are we STILL expecting a media-suppressed blue wave deluge to wipe out all our worries? Getting back enough swing voters to eke out a small majority, maybe claw back a few gerrymandered states?

Trump leans heavily though stupidly on cheating of all types. It would be nice to counter SOME of them- and the reptiles enabling them.

PATRICK

(12,347 posts)
11. As a worker in the Postal system
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 02:11 PM
Dec 30

the pushing off of a final date DOES negate a lot of efforts by all postal employees, top to bottom to find and date the ballots on that LAST day, whether they are cancelled or not. Arriving mail is forcibly delayed after a certain time depending on your area- which most people are not aware of. The cancellation machines are simply shut down way earlier than they have to be. Why? The mail DELIVERY will be delayed anyway. This forces them to be cancelled the next day and AGAIN be delayed for processing until the day after for delivery- the next day after that! Consolidation of operations is even crueler to misaddressed election materials being sent hundreds of miles to fewer centers for correction and re-entry to entire process- from a distance with little power to address local issues with those pieces.

For those worried about election mail ending up in waste bins or the odd good pieces trapped in such, it too is shipped far out of sight of anything approaching local care. You have no idea how we saved and sequestered even badly addressed campaign mail before losing this power completely. How we sent last minute ballots by free Express delivery and dated every one.

Mail ballots and bill payments earlier than you would a Christmas card!

allegorical oracle

(6,187 posts)
16. One of the articles I read about this said postal customers could get an actual
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 03:20 PM
Dec 30

hand-stamped postal date but they must go to a postal employee at the post office and request it. Is that accurate? If so, it would be more hassle, but something that has to be done.

PATRICK

(12,347 posts)
28. IF that is a possibility
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:09 PM
Saturday

it could be quashed easily at anytime because this is a FORCED delay fixed in stone, an entire change in principle how mail is accepted and moved. It is inherently criminal(though of course "legalized" and even the slightest effect will cloud the unwary voters and insure further assault and lack of confidence in delivery date and time.

I have seen many instances of unequal treatment of mail delivery simply because of the place, the machine schedule, small towns outside main processing schemes, that the public has NO idea about. And we've never been sued since the 2008 lowering of delivery commitments to make things "more efficient". Manual mail, corrected mail has less and less commitment. Mostly the focus of the day is packages which is supplemented with messy additions of broken up bundles of magazines and circulars that sort of push up the volume while slowing down the system.

OK, enough.

EdmondDantes_

(1,384 posts)
19. It's probably a bigger deal for tax returns
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 05:20 PM
Dec 30

But some people decide on their ballot late or forget or procrastinate.

FakeNoose

(40,196 posts)
17. Here's how to encourage more people to mail their ballots early:
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 03:32 PM
Dec 30

Start opening and counting the ballots upon receipt. Don't wait until the end of election day to start opening the mailed ballots. I think it would create more excitement for mailing early ballots if they did this.

The mailed ballots could be processed, and counted, ready to add to the total once the polls close. Instead, they sit untouched, sometimes for weeks, until after the polls have closed and reported results.

Totally Tunsie

(11,576 posts)
22. Unfortunately, not all states allow drop boxes.
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 11:26 PM
Dec 30

I was accustomed to them while living in Rhode Island, but I now live in South Carolina where they are not permitted. I miss the convenience.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,007 posts)
25. Election Law Blog-"Postmark change could impact getting ballots, bills in on time"
Fri Jan 2, 2026, 07:05 PM
Friday

Prof. Hasen thinks that this change will affect vote by mail ballots.

“Postmark change could impact getting ballots, bills in on time” electionlawblog.org?p=153676

Rick Hasen (@rickhasen.bsky.social) 2026-01-01T17:25:38.079Z

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=153676

USA Today:

The U.S. Postal Service is making new changes in 2026, including adjustments to the postmark process, which could result in late fees and penalties for anyone mailing time-sensitive documents such as tax returns or bill payments.

For decades, the postmark – an official mark that shows where and when mail was accepted by the Postal Service – has been used in law as proof that an individual met a deadline, such as submitting a ballot by Election Day.

A USPS postmark used to indicate the date when mail was dropped in a mailbox or submitted at the post office counter. Now, USPS is clarifying in a new rule that the postmark will reflect the date an envelope is first processed by an automated USPS sorting machine, potentially days after it was dropped off – not the actual drop-off date….

For a long time, Americans have assumed that mail will be postmarked the day it is mailed and may not be prepared to account for the extra days.

Tax payments, charitable contributions, legal filings, rent payments and other bills or items that rely on postmark dates for deadlines can be impacted by later postmarks and risk late fees, penalties, or delinquency.

Many states also accept ballots that are postmarked by Election Day….
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