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Kingofalldems

(40,041 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:04 PM Dec 17

Epstein files getting worse every day.

What the hell was that tonight?

There are only 2 explanations--either total dementia has set in or he is terrified of what is coming.

Edit: As some have pointed out, it could be both.

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haele

(15,083 posts)
2. Third - poll numbers.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:08 PM
Dec 17

This was the "Why don't you love me? The other guy broke everything and I'm fixing it! I'm making it Perfect just for Us! Love Me, damnit!" Speech.

EdmondDantes_

(1,378 posts)
4. And seeing Republicans in Congress very slowly starting to push back
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:12 PM
Dec 17

Not quickly enough, but they are looking to the midterms and knowing Trump isn't on the ballot, and the cracks are showing. The Epstein vote, grumbling on the ACA extended subsidies, the potential war crimes.

yonder

(10,246 posts)
11. That's the best explanation I've seen yet for a truly remarkable speech.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:58 PM
Dec 17

"Love me dammit" is right. And he has the codes.

ananda

(34,434 posts)
5. No or. He has dementia AND he is terrified.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:18 PM
Dec 17

I think he's like a cornered rat flailing and
snarling with whatever is left of his
tiny mind.

Bluetus

(2,300 posts)
10. Not to get all medical-ly and stuff,
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:54 PM
Dec 17

and I have no medical training. But I have seen a number of Alzheimer's patients progress through their disease. Broadly speaking (and again, I am nothing like a professional) it seems to me that there are two very common courses. Many people just quietly drift away into their own inner world. That is sad because their caregivers can see them slipping away, and they know what lies ahead. My guess is that is the most common profile.

However, I have seen some who instead turn extremely unpleasant, sometimes even violently so. It appears to me that these people are accustomed to being in control and they know they are losing that control and that is a very terrifying thing for a high-control person. I once was hired into an organization where the President had become unhappy with his highest ranking IT guy. When interviewing, the President described the situation as one where the IT guy used to get along with people, but had gradually become very difficult. The President interpreted that as the IT guy getting "too big for his britches", so to speak. The President felt like he needed a person who could come in innocently and learn the most important secrets of the operation, documenting processes, etc, so that eventually the President would be able to fire the guy.

Well, I did take that assignment, and the IT guy was unpleasant much of the time, but we found a way to get along most days. Anyway, long story short, about the time that I had documented enough of the system to where the guy could be released, his family pulled him out because he had reached an advancing stage of Alzheimer's. He died 2 years later.

I never knew him before he was quite unpleasant, but others told me it was a big change, but it happened over a period of 5+ years. What I am getting at is that an individual with a high-control personality can become extremely agitated, mean-spirited, continuously angry as they feel their ability to control their lives slipping away. I see exactly this in Trump. I did not watch the speech. I try my best not to see or hear anything from that guy these days.

It does make one wonder what all the hangers-on (Theil, Musk, Vance, Rubio, Miller, Bannon, and the rest) are thinking. They must know that this guy is well on his way to melting into a noxious pool of slime. Judging from Vanity Fair, the vultures are circling overhead. But I wonder, do vultures ever eat each other?

ananda

(34,434 posts)
12. Well, in my humble, not professional in any way, opinion...
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 11:01 PM
Dec 17

you're not wrong.

In fact, my personal experience with several
bridge players who have dementia says you
are exactly right.

Bluetus

(2,300 posts)
13. AI answers my last question (for better or worse)
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 11:12 PM
Dec 17

I asked if vultures eat each other. AI sez:

Yes, vultures are opportunistic scavengers and will eat the carcasses of other vultures if they find them, especially if food is scarce, though they prefer other dead animals; while not actively hunting their own kind, they'll feast on a dead fellow vulture just like any other carrion, with documented cases of black vultures eating juvenile vultures


In other words, vultures will eat anything that is dead, but they probably won't kill a fellow vulture. So I guess that isn't a very good metaphor for what is happening inside the WH, 'cause they are very definitely looking for any chance to kill and eat one of their rivals.

Buckeyeblue

(6,197 posts)
16. The ironic life of a vulture...the scavenger will one day be scavenged
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 07:52 AM
Dec 18

That is MAGA politics in a nutshell.

John Farmer

(371 posts)
18. Three major factors:
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 01:08 PM
Dec 18

1) He has dementia

2) He is terrified

3) Putin is holding something over him

ananda

(34,434 posts)
19. And his narcissism makes everything about him...
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 01:19 PM
Dec 18

and no matter what.. if it's bad it's the Democrat's fault...
if it's good, he did it... even though he had nothing to
do with it.

GoCubsGo

(34,668 posts)
6. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:20 PM
Dec 17

Most of the cheese has slid off his cracker, but there are a few pieces left--just enough that enable him to understand what's coming. Not just with the Epstein files, either. Everything else is falling apart around him, too.

Miles Archer

(21,788 posts)
9. Epstein Served Me Up For Trump's Sick Pleasure: Model
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 10:30 PM
Dec 17
Epstein Served Me Up For Trump’s Sick Pleasure: Model
‘TWISTED GAME’
Former “Sports Illustrated” model Stacey Williams recounted a sordid encounter with Donald Trump.
Julia Ornedo Reporter

The Daily Beast Podcast
Updated Dec. 17 2025 8:22PM EST /
Published Dec. 17 2025 9:05PM EST

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-served-me-up-for-donald-trumps-sick-pleasure-model/

Former model Stacey Williams said Donald Trump groped her at the Trump Tower in 1993 while her then-boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein watched on in what she described as “some sort of twisted game.”

As the clock ticks down to the Friday deadline to release the remaining Epstein files, the 57-year-old former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model opened up to The Daily Beast Podcast about her brief relationship with the late sex offender when she was in her twenties and he was in his forties.

Williams told host Joanna Coles that she met Epstein at a dinner party with other models, “and that’s how I started dating him, which led to, obviously, months later, him walking me into Trump Tower to be groped, assaulted by Donald Trump while the two men stood there and walked and talked as it was happening.”

In retrospect, Williams said, it made sense why Epstein kept directing her toward Trump Tower while they were out on a walk and convinced her to “just drop by and see him.”

usonian

(23,564 posts)
14. Trump is haunted, like Nixon was.
Wed Dec 17, 2025, 11:45 PM
Dec 17

I gather he wandered around the White House and talked with the portraits.
Trump defaces them.



The Epstein Event Horizon is within sight, whether through lyin DOJ (Defenders of Jeffrey) or independent findings, and the entire money and money laundering scheme is just starting to be unwound.




https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220810679
There will be independent Epstein information coming. Not just what's in the Area 51 DOJ vault.

www.democraticunderground.com/100220735608
Just hear me out, what if he's not just in the Epstein files
But actually a part of the trafficking ring. He ran the Rump Modeling Agency and owned the Miss Teen America Pagent.

Soon.




Say Good Night, Pat .... Wait, that's Melissa ... I mean Melania

Buckeyeblue

(6,197 posts)
17. I would say a little bit of both
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 08:01 AM
Dec 18

He seems to have lost his fastball, which was his ability to control the narrative. I don't know that he has the energy to do it any longer and his act has grown stale. He's like the song that gets overplayed on the radio--everyone knows the words but wishes it would go away.

I'm surprised he hasn't embraced extending the ACA benefits as a way to further deflect attention from Epstein.

ananda

(34,434 posts)
20. It's like he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 01:23 PM
Dec 18

The only way out is to do something good, like you say.

But he's stuck in a malignant narcissistic narrative that
tells him he has to get even with all Democrats for not
voting for him and particularly with Obama for ridiculing
him and winning the peace prize.

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