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I am a self professed MSNBC/MSNOW junkie. I saw something happen today that doesn't happen.
These folks are professionals. (Okay, most of them - Stephanie Ruhle is a self-professed cry baby.))
The MSNBC/MSNOW keep their composure and wear the demeanor expected of the Fourth Estate.
We are in tough times, and it is hard to report the barrage of pain and destruction.
Every once in awhile Nicolle says shit, and then apologizes. Although I have seen her say shit more often lately. Today, she broke down while reading the obituary of one of the young students who was gunned down in a classroom at Brown University on Saturday afternoon. He was a young man who had survived brain surgery as a child, and was studying to be a brain surgeon. (And I am tearing up (again) as I write this.)
After the break, she and Eddie Glaude continued a discussion of the broken social contract that has taken over our reality. They both wept.
And then on The Beat, Ari Melber reported on the death of Rob Reiner. He spoke of the enormity of the loss of a man of talent and grace and power, which were demonstrated in countless ways. He spoke of Rob Reiner's conviction to make this world a better place. He spoke of Reiner's politics and showed clips of Rob Reiner on MSNBC. Ari was not on camera. A montage of images accompanied his voice. Ari's voice cracked - he struggled to hold back tears.
Today, they pierced the wall.
It is getting to all of us. WE'RE MAD AS HELL, and we can't take it any more.
Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)I was talking to a friend who had just watched Nicolle and she told me all about it.
Nicole was crying on air. And the story about the student wanting to be a brain surgeon.
Trump is destroying the social fabric that holds us all together.
It is like living with an abuser who breaks your heart everyday.
After a while the heart is damaged.
We are going to have to get mad and take our hearts and souls back.
The bastard cannot take them and wipe us out.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)He has broken so many aspects of our world.
I believe if anyone else had been president...anyone!...Covid could have been stopped in its tracks. Remember how he pulled the CDC experts from China in the two years before Covid?
He has broken so many agencies! He destroyed USAID. Millions of people are dying.
He hasn't just broken the country, he has broken the world.
He is trying to annihilate ANY world order, other than his world (dis)order.
We need to continue to hold the fabric of Democracy and Justice together. We the People!
Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)The lab protocol experts in Wuhan sent by Obama to help with faulty lab procedures.
Trump fired them. Then we get Covid due to faulty lab procedures.
Then of course Trump let 1 million Americans die from covid.
Yes Trump is ruining and destroying as much as possible on order from his minders.
And because he loves to destroy things.
Yes we are like an abused wife living with a monster.
We have to get free.
WE THE PEOPLE.
STRONGER TOGETHER.
My dream is that woman of the world band together and start kicking major ass everywhere.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)Stronger Together!
Kicking ass, as much as I can...aging hippie that I am.
Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)For the right to be free.
To be safe, provide food and shelter to their families, etc.
Men with guns can no longer terrorize the world.
Men cannot stalk, harass, rape, kill women and children.
Time to take our power and use it.
MadameButterfly
(3,743 posts)I've heard this before. Genuinely interested, not trying to test you.
Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-cuts-research-bat-human-virus-china-213076https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/3/23/us-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-outbreak-reuters
US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts
The project, called Predict, had been run by the US Agency for International Development since 2009. It had identified more than 160 different coronaviruses that had the potential to develop into pandemics, including a virus that is considered the closest known relative to Covid-19.
A decision to wind down the program was made, however, in September, just three months before the first reports of people becoming infected with Covid-19 in Wuhan, China. The end of the program saw the departure of dozens of scientists and analysts working to identify potential pandemics in countries around the world, including China.
It was a genius, visionary program that USAid took a big risk to fund and its a crying shame it was canceled, said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit specialist in tackling wildlife-borne disease that was one of the major partners in the program.
Daszak said he did not know why the initiative was scrapped or if the White House played any direct role in its ending. EcoHealth Alliance has been given a temporary extension to work on the program but the role will finally come to a close in September.
The news about Predicts demise was first reported in the Los Angeles Times.
Predicts work focused on the dangers of viruses spreading from wildlife to humans and causing possible pandemics like the Covid-19 outbreak that has resulted in much of the world grinding to a halt. It is suspected that Covid-19 made the leap to humans from a bat sold at a Wuhan market.
Daszak said there are an estimated 1.7m mystery viruses in wildlife that may have the potential to transfer to humans and cause another pandemic, making the early detection of these diseases imperative for public health and economic reasons.
We shouldve been more unsettled about this before all this happened, he said. We got a lot of flak for spending money in other countries but just think how much even a few billion would be worth to stop this sort of pandemic. Its sad to see the project finish because its the way of the future, in 50 years they will be bog-standard.
Im not confident we will learn the lessons from this, though. We saw the same thing happen after Ebola and then Zika. We are always behind with pandemics, we are flying blind. We have hit the snooze button several times and now heres the big one.
Its not clear whether a continuation of the project would have dampened the current pandemic, although the Trump administration has faced criticism for its preparation before the outbreak. The administration reduced a team working in China on pandemics and has repeatedly attempted to cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
A spokesman for USAid told the Los Angeles Times that the Predict program was just one component of USAids global health security efforts and accounted for less than 20% of our global health security funding. A new initiative to help prevent the spread of diseases from animals to humans is due to start later this year.
Clouds Passing
(6,957 posts)Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)Like in WWII.
MadameButterfly
(3,743 posts)that Trump's presidency is a trauma to the American people, that it is abuse.
She is the author/editor of the Dangerous Case of Donald Trump which includes many psychiatrists who have come forward.
This is a well-informed professional analysis by people at the top of their field.
Irish_Dem
(79,727 posts)And we are trapped and cannot escape the insanity and abuse.
It is very damaging.
Yes the mental health experts have been warning and warning the American people
who refused to listen.
For many years, I have been posting on DU information about Trump's severe mental illnesses and
that he is quite dangerous. I keep getting poo-pooed that he is too stupid to be dangerous.
People did not want to listen.
Now there is a steep learning curve.
vapor2
(3,717 posts)but we cannot let him take our souls or our happiness, I remind myself of his failing health to balance his evil shit
And when he is gone we need to figure out how to disempower the Thiels and the Musks and the Voughts, and the others.
Hey Joe
(403 posts)These conservative think tank/tech bro sociopaths are the worst things ever to happen to our democratic republic.
They know price/cost of everything but the value of nothing.
yardwork
(68,960 posts)Last spring when Musk and RFK, Jr. destroyed medical research I cried every day. Then I got a little bit numb to it all. Today was really sad.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)I was profoundly affected by the events of the weekend, because it hit so close to home.
And I am so fucking sick of the guns! Two young people at Brown have survived previous school shootings.
yardwork
(68,960 posts)appmanga
(1,380 posts)...but since they've proven to be averse to having hosts who are women of color I only watch Nicolle, Rachel, and Lawrence.
Nicolle and Glaude have shed tears before for what's essentially the same news story: a mass shooting at a school. I appreciate they don't seem to be able to get used to it, but after we didn't do anything of substance after 20 6-year-olds got massacred, I knew I'd better make an adjustment to my reactions.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)electric_blue68
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one possibly of a different Black woman host, the right side image.
It was quick, I could be wrong!
Escape
(373 posts)or just too cowardly to do anything about it?
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)Under someone's thumb due to threats and kompromat?
efhmc
(16,077 posts)malaise
(292,679 posts)Back in the day I used to write fugg here.
Mad as hell is right.
That is all😀
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)and grief.
PatSeg
(52,106 posts)I heard Ari's voice break talking about Rob Reiner and it started the tears flowing. I rarely ever watch his show these days, but I decided to check him out today. A truly emotional day for anyone who is decent and sane.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(14,711 posts)I was moved by the tribute 😔
PatSeg
(52,106 posts)It has been so easy to set me off today.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,711 posts)PatSeg
(52,106 posts)It is hard enough losing so many people as they get older, but most of the deaths were because of predictable, natural causes, rarely ever murder.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,711 posts)I never would've predicted this in a million years. I'm just glad his parents weren't alive to see it.
PatSeg
(52,106 posts)Though unfortunately their two other children have to live with this tragic, senseless loss. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,711 posts)eppur_se_muova
(40,947 posts)... just finishing reading through the script while maintaining a "stiff upper lip", or however you want to put it.
PatSeg
(52,106 posts)Apparently Rob Reiner is someone who has had a profound effect on many people. The world was a better place because he was in it, which makes this a great loss for us all.
BigmanPigman
(54,561 posts)on her show today. She was crying the whole time. I guess I'm not alone. I need to get more tissues.
Skittles
(169,486 posts)to find your parents murdered, and to know it was her own brother who killed them - it's hard to fathom
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)Will watch later - after Lawrence.
Thanks for sharing.
PatSeg
(52,106 posts)Now I'm crying again.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,711 posts)GoodRaisin
(10,722 posts)Rob Reiner was one of us. This one is hard to take.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)Joinfortmill
(20,032 posts)Jack Valentino
(4,338 posts)there WILL be BLOOD.
(unless the troops do the right thing, and get the hell out of there!)
angrychair
(11,663 posts)I'm done. Done with these fucking billionaires, ALL OF THEM, and Mango Mussolini and his toe sucking band of sycophants and I'm done with anyone that is not laser focused on voting all these truly horrible people out of office and grinding the billionaire class into dust.
I heard an interesting observation on a video earlier today. At some point companies changed from referring to people as "customers" to "consumers" and that distinction is more important than some realize.
When we are just "consumers" we are just cattle. Just keep feeding us cheap, shitty products that have to be replaced all the time, very expensive things, shiny things, that must be replaced every year or two (smartphones come to mind).
I mean Apple is the worst or the best, depending on your perspective. Each new "version" of the iPhone is only marginally different than the one before. But they convinced you that you must have it, so much so that people will stand in line for hours to spend a thousand dollars to replace a perfectly functional phone for another device that will, in turn, be replaced by a "new" device in another two years.
Companies look at us as walking bags of cash to be marketed and ridiculed and made to feel insecure and worthless without their cool new thing that everyone has and wants but you. Without their new gizmo everyone will hate you and think you ugly and stupid.
That is capitalism in the modern era.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)Yes - the obvious big stores.
But how about all the apps and ways they "own" you?
angrychair
(11,663 posts)We, as a society, should have higher expectations of ourselves and the products and services we use.
Despite what billionaires and corporations think, we were not put on this Earth to make them rich while we all, collectively, become poorer.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)I almost held back, because two emotional OP's in one day seemed extreme. But! They have to be called out.
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mjvpi
(1,842 posts)Wiz Imp
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She held it together but you could tell she was having a hard time with it. Same for Ana Navarro.
sop
(17,400 posts)I look at the corporate fascist takeover of America, and the immense influence corporations have on U.S. politics and society.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)They need to know what is going on with the Thiels and Palantir and the Ellisons and private equity and so on.
malaise
(292,679 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)From those of us with thought and care.
Thanks for linking it to me.
Paladin
(32,265 posts)We are entitled to be furious, regarding the daily shitshow that trump is forcing upon us. I think his ugly comments about the Reiner murders may have been a last straw, for lots of people.
yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)It is outside my comfort zone. And yet it is important to hold onto it, rather than fall into complacency.
Happy Hoosier
(9,398 posts)Honestly, we've been too anodyne about this. We've wanted to avoid hyperbole and catastrophizing. There have been people on the fringes with the proper emotional orientation, but too many have treated this as if it's an aberration. But it's not. It's a shift. The shitgibbons on the other side are changing the game and if we don;t understand that, they will just roll over us. They are relying upon our basic decency to allow them to take over completely before we can even respond.
Roc2020
(1,741 posts)like having a job right now where you have to report on the news or worse report on political news or a WH correspondence. It has to be traumatic. I really only seek headlines on BBC, threads, sites like DU for my news. Since last year, to sit and watch 24hr cable news almost seems like punishment. I don't know how some people do it.
red dog 1
(32,479 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)It is taking a toll on all of us.
malaise
(292,679 posts)as always
Scrivener7
(58,267 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,514 posts)As always - the gracious Scrivener.