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yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:18 PM Dec 15

It's getting to ALL of us.

I am a self professed MSNBC/MSNOW junkie. I saw something happen today that doesn't happen.

These folks are professionals. (Okay, most of them - Stephanie Ruhle is a self-professed cry baby.))

The MSNBC/MSNOW keep their composure and wear the demeanor expected of the Fourth Estate.

We are in tough times, and it is hard to report the barrage of pain and destruction.

Every once in awhile Nicolle says shit, and then apologizes. Although I have seen her say shit more often lately. Today, she broke down while reading the obituary of one of the young students who was gunned down in a classroom at Brown University on Saturday afternoon. He was a young man who had survived brain surgery as a child, and was studying to be a brain surgeon. (And I am tearing up (again) as I write this.)

After the break, she and Eddie Glaude continued a discussion of the broken social contract that has taken over our reality. They both wept.

And then on The Beat, Ari Melber reported on the death of Rob Reiner. He spoke of the enormity of the loss of a man of talent and grace and power, which were demonstrated in countless ways. He spoke of Rob Reiner's conviction to make this world a better place. He spoke of Reiner's politics and showed clips of Rob Reiner on MSNBC. Ari was not on camera. A montage of images accompanied his voice. Ari's voice cracked - he struggled to hold back tears.

Today, they pierced the wall.

It is getting to all of us. WE'RE MAD AS HELL, and we can't take it any more.



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It's getting to ALL of us. (Original Post) yellow dahlia Dec 15 OP
You are right YD. Trump is crushing our souls. Irish_Dem Dec 15 #1
Great description of our mission, ID. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #4
Oh yes I remember. Irish_Dem Dec 15 #8
Yes! yellow dahlia Dec 15 #11
I would love to see women of the world uniting and fighting hard. Irish_Dem Dec 15 #16
Do you have any links to back up your first claim? MadameButterfly Dec 16 #59
Here you go: Irish_Dem Dec 16 #63
The entire HF is the evil empire Clouds Passing Dec 16 #49
Yes evil has taken over the earth again. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #50
In a podcast, Dr. Bandy Lee said exactly that: MadameButterfly Dec 16 #60
Yes it is just like an abusive relationship. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #64
Every day I dread his sadism, cruelty, ignorance etc vapor2 Dec 15 #2
Yes. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #5
You got that right Hey Joe Dec 15 #32
I felt sadder today than I have since last spring. yardwork Dec 15 #3
Indeed. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #7
I read that. At least two. yardwork Dec 16 #36
I used to watch hours of MSNOW... appmanga Dec 15 #6
Twenty 6 year olds should have been enough. Period! yellow dahlia Dec 15 #9
Ok, Not sure bc i saw the image quickly (i listen to MSNOW on ITunes) three photos... electric_blue68 Dec 15 #26
So, are Republicans enjoying all of this.... Escape Dec 15 #10
The question for the ages. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #12
Cowardly? yellow dahlia Dec 15 #21
To them, guns are much more important than people, even children. efhmc Dec 15 #25
Let me put it this way malaise Dec 15 #13
We keep finding new levels of pain and revulsion, yellow dahlia Dec 15 #20
Oh yes PatSeg Dec 15 #14
Key words - decent and sane. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #18
I watched too MustLoveBeagles Dec 15 #23
I am preparing for the next wave of emotion PatSeg Dec 15 #27
I'm waiting for the shock to wear off MustLoveBeagles Dec 16 #39
Same here PatSeg Dec 16 #40
You got that right MustLoveBeagles Dec 16 #42
Same here PatSeg Dec 16 #44
I'm sending them love 💓 & good vibes 🤗 MustLoveBeagles Dec 16 #47
He wasn't on camera, but there were a number of unusually long pauses. It was obvious he was having trouble ... eppur_se_muova Dec 16 #58
Yes, his voice clearly gave away his emotion PatSeg Dec 16 #62
I watched a crying Stephanie Miller with Malcom Nance BigmanPigman Dec 15 #15
I keep thinking of Romy Skittles Dec 15 #17
Didn't watch Stephanie Miller today. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #19
Thanks for posting PatSeg Dec 16 #41
Hugs MustLoveBeagles Dec 16 #43
You're right. GoodRaisin Dec 15 #22
Indeed. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #24
You Said It! Joinfortmill Dec 15 #28
if they try to put troops into polling places, Jack Valentino Dec 15 #29
I really have fucking had it angrychair Dec 15 #30
I believe boycotting should be more a part of the reistance. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #31
Exactly dahlia angrychair Dec 15 #33
OMG. Don't look at my recent OP. yellow dahlia Dec 15 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author EuterpeThelo Dec 16 #46
You sure don't hear "the consumer is always right". mjvpi Dec 16 #55
Whoopi Goldberg had a tough time talking about Rob Reiner on the View today. Wiz Imp Dec 16 #35
Who benefits the most from the broken social contract and the chaos that ensues? sop Dec 16 #37
One of my obsessions is - we need to inform people. yellow dahlia Dec 16 #54
You are not alone malaise Dec 16 #38
It's a collective cry, right now. yellow dahlia Dec 16 #53
Stay OUTRAGED and ANGRY, everybody. Paladin Dec 16 #45
I resent that I have to live with such anger and outrage. yellow dahlia Dec 16 #52
To quote James T Kirk, "I NEED my pain!" Happy Hoosier Dec 16 #48
I can't imagine what it is Roc2020 Dec 16 #51
And Rachel Maddow too red dog 1 Dec 16 #56
Right. yellow dahlia Dec 16 #57
Rachel was great last night malaise Dec 16 #61
Great observation, and beautifully written. Scrivener7 Dec 16 #65
Thank you. yellow dahlia Dec 16 #66

Irish_Dem

(79,727 posts)
1. You are right YD. Trump is crushing our souls.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:28 PM
Dec 15

I was talking to a friend who had just watched Nicolle and she told me all about it.
Nicole was crying on air. And the story about the student wanting to be a brain surgeon.

Trump is destroying the social fabric that holds us all together.

It is like living with an abuser who breaks your heart everyday.
After a while the heart is damaged.

We are going to have to get mad and take our hearts and souls back.
The bastard cannot take them and wipe us out.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
4. Great description of our mission, ID.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:42 PM
Dec 15

He has broken so many aspects of our world.

I believe if anyone else had been president...anyone!...Covid could have been stopped in its tracks. Remember how he pulled the CDC experts from China in the two years before Covid?

He has broken so many agencies! He destroyed USAID. Millions of people are dying.

He hasn't just broken the country, he has broken the world.

He is trying to annihilate ANY world order, other than his world (dis)order.

We need to continue to hold the fabric of Democracy and Justice together. We the People!

Irish_Dem

(79,727 posts)
8. Oh yes I remember.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:48 PM
Dec 15

The lab protocol experts in Wuhan sent by Obama to help with faulty lab procedures.
Trump fired them. Then we get Covid due to faulty lab procedures.

Then of course Trump let 1 million Americans die from covid.

Yes Trump is ruining and destroying as much as possible on order from his minders.
And because he loves to destroy things.

Yes we are like an abused wife living with a monster.

We have to get free.

WE THE PEOPLE.
STRONGER TOGETHER.

My dream is that woman of the world band together and start kicking major ass everywhere.

Irish_Dem

(79,727 posts)
16. I would love to see women of the world uniting and fighting hard.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:58 PM
Dec 15

For the right to be free.

To be safe, provide food and shelter to their families, etc.
Men with guns can no longer terrorize the world.
Men cannot stalk, harass, rape, kill women and children.

Time to take our power and use it.

MadameButterfly

(3,743 posts)
59. Do you have any links to back up your first claim?
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 05:29 PM
Dec 16

I've heard this before. Genuinely interested, not trying to test you.

Irish_Dem

(79,727 posts)
63. Here you go:
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:02 PM
Dec 16
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-cuts-research-bat-human-virus-china-213076https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3NE/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/3/23/us-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-outbreak-reuters

The Trump administration decided to end a $200m early warning program designed to alert it to potential pandemics just three months before it is believed Covid-19 began infecting people in China.

US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts
The project, called Predict, had been run by the US Agency for International Development since 2009. It had identified more than 160 different coronaviruses that had the potential to develop into pandemics, including a virus that is considered the closest known relative to Covid-19.

A decision to wind down the program was made, however, in September, just three months before the first reports of people becoming infected with Covid-19 in Wuhan, China. The end of the program saw the departure of dozens of scientists and analysts working to identify potential pandemics in countries around the world, including China.

“It was a genius, visionary program that USAid took a big risk to fund and it’s a crying shame it was canceled,” said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit specialist in tackling wildlife-borne disease that was one of the major partners in the program.

Daszak said he did not know why the initiative was scrapped or if the White House played any direct role in its ending. EcoHealth Alliance has been given a temporary extension to work on the program but the role will finally come to a close in September.

The news about Predict’s demise was first reported in the Los Angeles Times.

Predict’s work focused on the dangers of viruses spreading from wildlife to humans and causing possible pandemics like the Covid-19 outbreak that has resulted in much of the world grinding to a halt. It is suspected that Covid-19 made the leap to humans from a bat sold at a Wuhan market.

Daszak said there are an estimated 1.7m mystery viruses in wildlife that may have the potential to transfer to humans and cause another pandemic, making the early detection of these diseases imperative for public health and economic reasons.

“We should’ve been more unsettled about this before all this happened,” he said. “We got a lot of flak for spending money in other countries but just think how much even a few billion would be worth to stop this sort of pandemic. It’s sad to see the project finish because it’s the way of the future, in 50 years they will be bog-standard.

“I’m not confident we will learn the lessons from this, though. We saw the same thing happen after Ebola and then Zika. We are always behind with pandemics, we are flying blind. We have hit the snooze button several times and now here’s the big one.”

It’s not clear whether a continuation of the project would have dampened the current pandemic, although the Trump administration has faced criticism for its preparation before the outbreak. The administration reduced a team working in China on pandemics and has repeatedly attempted to cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

A spokesman for USAid told the Los Angeles Times that the Predict program was “just one component of USAid’s global health security efforts and accounted for less than 20% of our global health security funding”. A new initiative to help prevent the spread of diseases from animals to humans is due to start later this year.

MadameButterfly

(3,743 posts)
60. In a podcast, Dr. Bandy Lee said exactly that:
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 05:34 PM
Dec 16

that Trump's presidency is a trauma to the American people, that it is abuse.
She is the author/editor of the Dangerous Case of Donald Trump which includes many psychiatrists who have come forward.
This is a well-informed professional analysis by people at the top of their field.

Irish_Dem

(79,727 posts)
64. Yes it is just like an abusive relationship.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:06 PM
Dec 16

And we are trapped and cannot escape the insanity and abuse.
It is very damaging.

Yes the mental health experts have been warning and warning the American people
who refused to listen.

For many years, I have been posting on DU information about Trump's severe mental illnesses and
that he is quite dangerous. I keep getting poo-pooed that he is too stupid to be dangerous.
People did not want to listen.

Now there is a steep learning curve.

vapor2

(3,717 posts)
2. Every day I dread his sadism, cruelty, ignorance etc
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:37 PM
Dec 15

but we cannot let him take our souls or our happiness, I remind myself of his failing health to balance his evil shit

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
5. Yes.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:44 PM
Dec 15

And when he is gone we need to figure out how to disempower the Thiels and the Musks and the Voughts, and the others.

Hey Joe

(403 posts)
32. You got that right
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 11:13 PM
Dec 15

These conservative think tank/tech bro sociopaths are the worst things ever to happen to our democratic republic.
They know price/cost of everything but the value of nothing.

yardwork

(68,960 posts)
3. I felt sadder today than I have since last spring.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:42 PM
Dec 15

Last spring when Musk and RFK, Jr. destroyed medical research I cried every day. Then I got a little bit numb to it all. Today was really sad.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
7. Indeed.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:48 PM
Dec 15

I was profoundly affected by the events of the weekend, because it hit so close to home.

And I am so fucking sick of the guns! Two young people at Brown have survived previous school shootings.

appmanga

(1,380 posts)
6. I used to watch hours of MSNOW...
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:47 PM
Dec 15

...but since they've proven to be averse to having hosts who are women of color I only watch Nicolle, Rachel, and Lawrence.

Nicolle and Glaude have shed tears before for what's essentially the same news story: a mass shooting at a school. I appreciate they don't seem to be able to get used to it, but after we didn't do anything of substance after 20 6-year-olds got massacred, I knew I'd better make an adjustment to my reactions.

electric_blue68

(25,796 posts)
26. Ok, Not sure bc i saw the image quickly (i listen to MSNOW on ITunes) three photos...
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 10:02 PM
Dec 15

Last edited Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:52 AM - Edit history (1)

one possibly of a different Black woman host, the right side image.

It was quick, I could be wrong!

malaise

(292,679 posts)
13. Let me put it this way
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:57 PM
Dec 15

Back in the day I used to write “fugg” here.
Mad as hell is right.
That is all😀

PatSeg

(52,106 posts)
14. Oh yes
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:57 PM
Dec 15

I heard Ari's voice break talking about Rob Reiner and it started the tears flowing. I rarely ever watch his show these days, but I decided to check him out today. A truly emotional day for anyone who is decent and sane.

PatSeg

(52,106 posts)
40. Same here
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:46 AM
Dec 16

It is hard enough losing so many people as they get older, but most of the deaths were because of predictable, natural causes, rarely ever murder.

MustLoveBeagles

(14,711 posts)
42. You got that right
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:06 AM
Dec 16

I never would've predicted this in a million years. I'm just glad his parents weren't alive to see it.


PatSeg

(52,106 posts)
44. Same here
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:12 AM
Dec 16

Though unfortunately their two other children have to live with this tragic, senseless loss. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through.

eppur_se_muova

(40,947 posts)
58. He wasn't on camera, but there were a number of unusually long pauses. It was obvious he was having trouble ...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 05:25 PM
Dec 16

... just finishing reading through the script while maintaining a "stiff upper lip", or however you want to put it.

PatSeg

(52,106 posts)
62. Yes, his voice clearly gave away his emotion
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 05:44 PM
Dec 16

Apparently Rob Reiner is someone who has had a profound effect on many people. The world was a better place because he was in it, which makes this a great loss for us all.

BigmanPigman

(54,561 posts)
15. I watched a crying Stephanie Miller with Malcom Nance
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 08:57 PM
Dec 15

on her show today. She was crying the whole time. I guess I'm not alone. I need to get more tissues.

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Skittles

(169,486 posts)
17. I keep thinking of Romy
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 09:05 PM
Dec 15

to find your parents murdered, and to know it was her own brother who killed them - it's hard to fathom

Jack Valentino

(4,338 posts)
29. if they try to put troops into polling places,
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 10:40 PM
Dec 15

there WILL be BLOOD.

(unless the troops do the right thing, and get the hell out of there!)



angrychair

(11,663 posts)
30. I really have fucking had it
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 10:58 PM
Dec 15

I'm done. Done with these fucking billionaires, ALL OF THEM, and Mango Mussolini and his toe sucking band of sycophants and I'm done with anyone that is not laser focused on voting all these truly horrible people out of office and grinding the billionaire class into dust.

I heard an interesting observation on a video earlier today. At some point companies changed from referring to people as "customers" to "consumers" and that distinction is more important than some realize.

When we are just "consumers" we are just cattle. Just keep feeding us cheap, shitty products that have to be replaced all the time, very expensive things, shiny things, that must be replaced every year or two (smartphones come to mind).
I mean Apple is the worst or the best, depending on your perspective. Each new "version" of the iPhone is only marginally different than the one before. But they convinced you that you must have it, so much so that people will stand in line for hours to spend a thousand dollars to replace a perfectly functional phone for another device that will, in turn, be replaced by a "new" device in another two years.

Companies look at us as walking bags of cash to be marketed and ridiculed and made to feel insecure and worthless without their cool new thing that everyone has and wants but you. Without their new gizmo everyone will hate you and think you ugly and stupid.
That is capitalism in the modern era.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
31. I believe boycotting should be more a part of the reistance.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 11:07 PM
Dec 15

Yes - the obvious big stores.

But how about all the apps and ways they "own" you?

angrychair

(11,663 posts)
33. Exactly dahlia
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 11:18 PM
Dec 15

We, as a society, should have higher expectations of ourselves and the products and services we use.
Despite what billionaires and corporations think, we were not put on this Earth to make them rich while we all, collectively, become poorer.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
34. OMG. Don't look at my recent OP.
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 11:33 PM
Dec 15

I almost held back, because two emotional OP's in one day seemed extreme. But! They have to be called out.

Response to angrychair (Reply #30)

Wiz Imp

(8,906 posts)
35. Whoopi Goldberg had a tough time talking about Rob Reiner on the View today.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 12:05 AM
Dec 16

Last edited Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:34 AM - Edit history (1)

She held it together but you could tell she was having a hard time with it. Same for Ana Navarro.

sop

(17,400 posts)
37. Who benefits the most from the broken social contract and the chaos that ensues?
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:46 AM
Dec 16

I look at the corporate fascist takeover of America, and the immense influence corporations have on U.S. politics and society.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
54. One of my obsessions is - we need to inform people.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:56 AM
Dec 16

They need to know what is going on with the Thiels and Palantir and the Ellisons and private equity and so on.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
53. It's a collective cry, right now.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:45 AM
Dec 16

From those of us with thought and care.

Thanks for linking it to me.

Paladin

(32,265 posts)
45. Stay OUTRAGED and ANGRY, everybody.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:17 AM
Dec 16

We are entitled to be furious, regarding the daily shitshow that trump is forcing upon us. I think his ugly comments about the Reiner murders may have been a last straw, for lots of people.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
52. I resent that I have to live with such anger and outrage.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:37 AM
Dec 16

It is outside my comfort zone. And yet it is important to hold onto it, rather than fall into complacency.

Happy Hoosier

(9,398 posts)
48. To quote James T Kirk, "I NEED my pain!"
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:26 AM
Dec 16

Honestly, we've been too anodyne about this. We've wanted to avoid hyperbole and catastrophizing. There have been people on the fringes with the proper emotional orientation, but too many have treated this as if it's an aberration. But it's not. It's a shift. The shitgibbons on the other side are changing the game and if we don;t understand that, they will just roll over us. They are relying upon our basic decency to allow them to take over completely before we can even respond.

Roc2020

(1,741 posts)
51. I can't imagine what it is
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 11:17 AM
Dec 16

like having a job right now where you have to report on the news or worse report on political news or a WH correspondence. It has to be traumatic. I really only seek headlines on BBC, threads, sites like DU for my news. Since last year, to sit and watch 24hr cable news almost seems like punishment. I don't know how some people do it.

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