they can ALL go fuck themselves

“ they can ALL go fuck themselves”

Could easily be replaced with,….” they can ALL go fuck themselves with a red hot poker stick until the cauterize their asshole.”

They can fuck themselves with a pitchfork, heating is optional. And a rusty pitchfork smeared with farm animal feces lends a nice bouquet to the Americana Motif. But that’s just me.

yes INDEED

you get it

show half an ounce of political courage, decency or morals
when and if they finally do
(especially since it is so rare in these times!)

BUT FUCK ANY KUDOS FOR THEM FINALLY WAKING UP TO WHAT HAS BEEN OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE

and forgiving after all the times they rubber-stamped this man's lunacy, especially knowing that they are aware of what a monster he is. They could see him destroying everything we are supposed to stand for over and over again, yet they still bowed down to him.

Oh, I knew eventually they'd have to start to push back, but unfortunately in my eyes it is far too little too late. They could do us all a favor and retire and go home hanging their pathetic heads in shame. They'll get no sympathy from me.

time and time again they have put the interests of Donald Fucking Trump or themselves above the interests of America......DISGUSTING

that they behaved holier than thou as they waved their pocket constitutions and acted like THEY were the true patriotic party. They sure paid a lot of lip service to our vets, but now they don't even do that anymore.

Remember when they raised hell because Obama wasn't wearing a flag pin? They certainly were deferential to all the symbols of democracy, but now it is clear, it was always a sham. They are just shallow, empty vessels, absolutely worthless.

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while proving themselves to be anything but

they routinely judge the morals of others while regularly behaving like truly vile, despicable people

I will never cave one inch in caring about these assholes and the stupid fucking idiots who voted for them

know reality will be the opposite. Bottom line - they are opportunists first and foremost. They are the reason people hate politicians.

At least old school republicans would draw the line as to what they wouldn't do. With this batch, anything goes. I can't imagine a single one of them going to the White House and telling Trump he has to resign because he will be impeached if he doesn't.

About what we DUers think, unfortunately.

they are ASSHOLES

statements on the Evil Derangement Spewings regarding Rob and Michelle Reiner.

Bring them on.

Doesn't count if you just finger wag or send a strongly worded letter, then vote for him again.

But please don't ask me to like, love, trust, approve of any of these wretched souls.

...of the Chris Rock bit where he talked about guys who don't have the kids in their household bragging how they take care of their kids. His response: "So you want a cookie? You're supposed to take care of your kids". Do we need to throw a parade, or even dish out a bunch of praise for simply having decency?

They have had plenty of chances to do better. Screw them.

I prefer having them turn on him.

To each his or her own I guess

but they can still all go fuck themselves

Trump is just a reflection of his supporters thinking.

But if you don't give the enemy a chance to change course, you end up with a cornered foe who doesn't care if the world ends - they know you have no place for them in it. You gotta make it easy for them.

One option is to give them a chance to change leadership, if their leadership is dead set on burning the ships. Many of the enemy may not like their leadership's approach. Let them express it. If rank and file see rocks coming, and you don't allow opportunities for betrayal, mutiny or sedition against their leadership, they have no opportunity to adopt a new position.

By NOT hanging the ultimate traitor Jefferson Davis, we have suffered under the remnants and descendents ever since.

Focus groups told her to dial back the MAGA. This is a person who made her political career filming herself harassing young people who survived the Parkland school shooting.

She's lucky to get a meh.

Will worry about her after Trump’s support starts fracturing.

these disgusting fucking conservatives only "care" when it somehow affects THEM - they can NEVER, EVER be trusted

FUCK THEM ALL

We can disagree about that.

but they deserve no fucking KUDOS for it, FUCK THEM

it's usually due to getting hurt by Trump either directly or indirectly, and then bitching about it. They only complain when the leopard eats their face.

they are self-serving assholes who never care if it affects others, just THEM

he doesn't get a prize.

I'm just suggesting we should be happy when republicans fight with each other.
Apparently a lot of people here would have preferred Liz Cheney to be quiet rather than go up against Trump.

So be it.

Are you saying that Republicans should be given yet more slack than they have already been given?

I think it's more in the nature of rats jumping off a burning ship. They probably know some things we don't.

MTG might sound like a reasonably normal and even empathetic person in the moment, but that means she was either lying before about who she was, is she is lying now.

Why must we encourage repubs to speak out?

They can't see what's been happening for years, or recognize the blatant corruption and endless cruelty and endless grift?

They need their hands held to do the right thing?

After everything every MAGAt republican has enabled and encouraged, I'm not feeling too charitable.

IMO, they need to prove themselves to us!!

And why do we dream of the day when the repubs will block Trump from doing something if we don't care whether they do?

I don't dream of the day repubs block Piggy. They won't.

Extend your olive branch if you want but don't be surprised if they yank it out of your hand and beat you with it.

Anyway I guess it would be okay if I still don't like them or welcome them with open arms while they stab me in the back.

Let me know when a MAGAt actually fights for us, and not with a self serving, useless social media post.

but it depends. There are opportunities.

My position is if someone is going against Trump and supports us on some things then take that support to get what we want.

But don't expect that to mean they are on our side politically .

at Nuremberg.
Life was good until it wasn't?
Resign en masse and disappear!

What one group within a fold may want may be different from what another group may want. Some may want the white nationalists to stand up to trump while others think they should all fuck off regardless. I have never personally had expectations of courage among republicans. So when one stands up to him on one issue while going along with all the rest and I still consider them trash, it doesn't make me a hypocrite.

In the long run, all of us here are on the same side, but we aren't a monolith.

I chose that name back in 2006 when I stopped lurking and joined up. I guess I just thought of the silliest thing I could at the moment. "Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."

Do us a solid and let us in on it next time, okay? I’m not superstitious, but at this point I’ll take whatever I can get, and the universe handed you a random gift all those years ago, and now when you see that kid, DU will come to mind.

and lunch will come back up to my mouth. The gross gene is dominant in that clan.

help make it safe for them to jump ship and criticize the "great leader".

Quite frankly, this complicit group of sycophants, enablers, traitors and liars needs to show me more than one performatively outraged comment before I take them at all seriously. My response would be, "FINALLY!!! Now what, exactly, are you going to do about him to begin to clean up the mess YOU helped to create?"

I love you, but..Sir, I support you but..Please blah, blah. Seems so insincere and timid coming from some of the most rapid Trumpers.

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along with all your coworkers if they ever voted for Trump. No matter what.

I mean, it would be great to live in a universe like that, where your entire family and everyone you work with is either an informed liberal or 100% apolitical but that’s not real life for a very large number of us. Don’t let the peanut gallery squish your vibe.

it may not be an ideal situation for everyone. I have no Republican, let alone maga, relatives or friends. But our family is dying out, less than a dozen people and our youngest generation will not be having children. And I have Asperger's and I'm retired so it bothers me not at all to only have three friends.

These kinds of attitudes and statements leak over to others who are not the target, and they form opinions based on who the messenger is and how it was delivered.

The family, friends, community members see that condemnation and they take it to heart as an attack on them and theirs. They know their friend and neighbor as a decent person who helps when they need help, most likely. So they resent the attack and the person who did the attacking and reject the message. As we would in a reverse situation. That’s human.

Plus, they broaden their view of who was doing the attacking to all of us. That’s why I believe it’s divisive and harmful. It hardens enmity, often creating it where none existed before. It deepen our divisions and it feeds stereotypes each side has about blue state liberals as well as conservatives. Exactly as Russia wants.

of the electorate we have reached a place where the only real issue is whether or not we keep the, very flawed, democracy that we have.

Because about one third of the electorate is so ignorant and apathetic that they couldn't even be bothered to vote, and the other two thirds are almost divided equally, we might be able to fight off the authoritarian takeover with just the voters in the "middle".

But we might not. Those people who are apathetic or ignorant enough to not have voted against Trump last fall may not wake up quickly enough in the numbers that we need. Indeed, because many have absolutely no idea what is going on, many of them may vote for authoritarianism.

I think that if there is a sliver of the Republican party who value keeping democracy we need to ally with them for that. It isn't as if Democratic politicians haven't allied with Republicans on other issues for decades. In Europe many times parties to the left of our Democratic party ally with right wingers strategically.

they are more terrified of their very unhappy constituents voting them out of their cushy jobs than they are of Trump’s threats to primary them … but their defiance will be short lived once Trump references them by name in one of his lunatic posts..

Republicans turning against Trump, it's also only logical to take into consideration why they didn't stand up to him earlier, and their motivation behind doing so now.

I am skeptical that the majority of them are doing it because they suddenly realized he is the epitome of evil, they had to know that before. As a pundit pointed out they see his poll numbers slipping astronomically, and see Democrats winning in places Democrats have rarely if ever won. They only have the "courage," to stand up to him now because he is weaker, and they think it will save themselves politically if they appear to oppose tsf.

I was also always taught that you do the right thing to do because it's the right thing to do not because you want credit for it. I will give Massie credit because his opposition to tsf seems to have been consistently and genuinely anti DT. The rest are just like rats trying to scurry of a sinking ship at the last minute so they don't go down with it.

"I know! I know!" says the most obnoxious forum member in response. And as tedious as I usually am, I will make this brief.

It's a good thing when republicans in DC publicly disagree with the felon. That does not mean we want to exchange body fluids/DNA with them. Or stand on the same side of the street as them at a rally, in the context of a Marginally Taylor Greene. It does not mean we should be expected to break bread with them -- unless we are an elected Democrat who gets paid for communicating with them.

These cracks might seem small, unless one looks at recent polling or talks with others while grocery shopping. First of all, they don't have to be big to make a huge difference. This isn't to pretend that somkething as small as the president's penis is sure to make a difference, but I for one loved South Park's eforts,

Republicans cannot afford to lose many voters. Will they try to pretend to almost stand up to te felon before the mid-terms? The answer is simple: NO. In boxing we say someone born square doesn't end up round. They will pretend to the exact amount of nothing significant. They are aware of the influence of independents, the majority "party," is a ball & chain on their chances for re-election. Thus, more will decide to spend more time with their families.

Kamala Harris used Liz Cheney, who endorsed her for president, for a day and a half of events together to get Never Trumpers support. OH NO! Democrats are handing over the keys to Republicans!

With MTG, OH NO! don't trust her!

Democrats do what people say they want them to and then it's always "meh" and well, why didn't they do it before (not having votes or power and facts are automatically rejected as reasons).

Newsom did what people said they wanted, fighting back dirty against Trump, and now it "meh." Pelosi was bashed endlessly about having some sort of plot not to impeach Trump. Then he was, twice. She was accused of clinging to power and not providing a "pathway" for her replacement, but now Jeffries is constantly bashed too. It doesn't even matter who the person is or what they do, the negative caricature created to punch down at and blame is there.

So condescending. Like the broken record I am, I will say again that Democrats never get the benefit of the doubt and motivation is assumed to be stupidity or corruption.

Comments about MTG, Massie, Liz Cheney, Romney made here when they have been critical of Trump.