horrible

Let’s rationalize and parse words. . Fuck all these Nazis who want Jews dead. That’s my statement. I stand by it

Why do you think Israel all but annihilated Gaza? 10/7. That’s why. It’s enough of the “we are better than they are” -look what that did for us Democrats.

These were not Nazis

This is another horrific act of violence

You don’t know that actually and as far as I’m concerned, the philosophy which pertains to the extermination of any race, creed, or color is Nazism. I have lived among these people. I know them all too well.

See, they don’t parse words: they don’t care if a Jew is reform, Conservative, or Orthodox: we are all the same. They also look to eradicate gays and lesbians and people of color if that were possible. Outrageous behavior needs to be met with same.

It seems that way to me.

Nothing justifies the murder of innocent people. Jews or Muslims or anybody. Descending to the laws of the jungle and indiscriminate killing of children and civilians in an eye for an eye (or worse, 100 eyes for an eye) is not where we should be heading - October 7th notwithstanding. This is where that will always lead to.

Just my opinion of course. But I haven't stayed silent for over two years on the slaughter of innocents, killed for who they are. Now that more innocents are murdered, though of another creed and ethnicity, I can condemn that too without appearing hypocritical, tribal or lacking self-awareness.

I felt this needed to be said.

Yeah, Germany was mistreated at Versailles ...

Nazis did not commit this horrific act.

and Nazis

That is all

That the movement that these terrorists belong to has acknowledged that they derived much of their rationale and belief system concerning Jews and Jewry from when the Nazis occupied this region. Their “religious” ideology which is another thing entirely has adopted the propaganda dissemination favored by those such as David Duke and those who preceded him and his ilk and the reason is: THE REASON IS….
That it is effective.

Never again. Every attack against us will be met with hundred-fold response.

If there were 100 attackers who killed 1 initial victim, then you might perhaps see it as justified. But if, as in this case, 2 (or 3?) attackers killed 11 people (current figures), where are you finding the 1,100 people to kill in response?

With all due respect: you don’t have to kill 1100 people, you can make the perpetrators and their supporters miserable for the rest of their lives, instead of just one Sunday morning.

I would remind you that not too many years ago. We would often awaken on Sunday morning and hear about bombing in Tel Aviv at cafés post-Shabbat . I didn’t see a whole lot of posted outrage in those days from the left… It is obvious we have to take care of ourselves. And we will do so.

but perhaps you're a dual citizen.

Was there ever a time when more Israeli citizens were being killed than West Bank inhabitants?

a "what about" response?

If PCIntern wants to talk about killings in Tel Aviv (after invoking a "hundred-fold" response), when the subject is killings in Australia, then killings by the IDF become relevant. It's less of a jump, literally, than Sydney to Tel Aviv.

Well, they are now. And they’re everywhere.

A temporal bias to a group that showed up about a hundred years ago isn't very inclusive of a long history of jew hatred, oppression, and killing. Why was a nazi flag not left on the hood?

The word "Nazi" had taken on a broader meaning than just the Nazi party.
You know that. Why pick at details and not respond to actual act and intention?

Would you prefer he use the word "Muslilm?"
After all the perpetrator does seem to have an Islamic name - at least Middle Eastern.

Anything to distract from the real issue ......

And a lot of prominent Arab leaders embraced their message, becoming at the very least Nazi adjacent.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler

Suggesting their opposition to what Israel did in Gaza as if that justifies killing innocent Jewish people half a world away?

I called it what it is - a horrific act of violence.
I merely pointed out that the act was not committed by Nazis.

The chances that a 24 year old in Australia named Naveed Akram was a National Socialist are pretty much zero.

Maybe I missed it. But if not, I would expect in the future you will be be consistent.

There's a very thin veil to the game being played.

It's not about vocabulary at all. It's about getting those licks in, but just under the radar enough (so they think) to avoid sanction.

It's been years of this. I'm shocked it continues to be homed here.

had gotten rid of Isis.
No?

I considered it, but thought that it would be obvious.

It's in North Africa and West Africa, as well.

US troops have been in Syria straight along. When a politician a few years back declared we had no troops in active theaters of operations, that politician was completely in error as far as the truth was concerned. Perhaps knowingly, perhaps out of ignorance.

There is no place on Earth that is safe for Jews. No place on Earth. I'm just so tired of this. Just leave us the fuck alone already. We're less that one half of one percent of the world's population. Leave us the fuck alone.

that have a history of invading, colonizing, forceful conversions and just spreading their violence across the world. But they are always blaming the Jews for everything. Always spreading conspiracy.

These 2 groups also play victim the most .

but the Nazi certainly did.

Ahmed al Ahmed, a Lebanese Muslim who owns a Sydney fruit shop, who risked his life to disarm one of the Bondi Beach shooters. Such courage.

ITS MURDER.....THERE SHOULD NOT BE JUSTIFICATION. no rationale. IT'S MURDER.
MURDER
Call it Nazi or whichever 'ism . It's MURDER.

IT'S JUST CRIME!

over and OUT

I do feel we misanthropic Green animal rights types are the most neutral when it comes to human wars.

Yes we are never very popular having no culture or group and mostly secretly only sympathising with the planet. We are also not particularly unpopular since we support whoever is getting clobbered more or clobbered in a specific instance. We just exist outside human war that way.

My sympathy was with Palestine in the war, because as horrific as Oct 7 was, that was in no way a proportionate response. And Palestine has been on the receiving end of unfair treatment for a long time. It wasn’t even good for Jewish people or Israel. Otoh it isn’t a reason to imply that every antisemitic attack for ever more is because of that. Nick Fuentes and MTG etc are not antiwar for any reason but antisemitism. Nor are various theocrats of any religion any good.

The dynamics of all these intragroup wars are making this accelerating nightmare worse and a gimme to these Trumpy grifters. I considered whether to shut up or not. But this is a dynamic destroying everything where it’s emotion driven for non malicious people and exploited by the war and terror machine. The war machine is controlled by various elites and the worst type of pushback is mob violence and stochastic terror like this. This fits the description of stochastic terror at any rate.

I have equal sympathy for all groups and equal lack of sympathy as well wrt violence. Really I do..it’s because I prefer animals yes but still ;-/.

King Lear comes to mind wrt the kinds of friends who support anything you do whichever group you belong to. Beware false friends. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind..

And acts of violence should not be somehow justified and the math and numbers of this is tiresome. How about shooting for an amnesty re all intragroup hostilities at least on the left over backlash after backlash after backlash into eternity dredging up more and more history over current priorities like climate change?
No? War is better? Oh well..

I have reason to get how the internet and similar technologies manipulate emotions in the worst ways possible. Even Yasha Levine, a staunchly anti-war voice and one I respect a lot, has started focusing more on how the internet ends up stoking war rather than the reverse even when your are taking the left view. Or at least that’s how I interpreted it and it fit a thesis I had along the same lines that the disempowered persons seemingly left internet use can sometimes help the same war machine.

The point is not that having a position is bad but seeing how it manipulates reality should be understood with more sophistication than this in a web built by Palantir, Google and a bunch of defense contractors where the last thing they want is an end to any war.

I find it tiresome to see an unspoken “they had it coming” dynamic in these types of events.
An implicit “Yes it is unfortunate, but you can understand why..” No..it’s stochastic terror.

And I don’t mean it the muscular national security war mongering ad way. I mean that machine thrives on all this while pretending to condemn it.

There is nothing left about stochastic terror. I am well to the left but that is about thinking critically. The web polarizes the world towards war. Totally makes sense that it was built by defence contracting.

Nathan Robinson (who is well to the left) recently wrote about how alarming it is that outright nazis like Fuentes are getting normalised. And way too much real antisemitism is rising thanks to that wretched war. The worst possible reaction and then

I can’t stand Larry Ellison and object to hatred of Jewish people being coupled to attacks on Ellison.

I have felt sympathetic toward both the (left) Jewish community and the (left) Muslim community and all the people getting clobbered in war zones as we comment about it safely from our homes.

But this is a cancer on society and its dynamics are a nightmare and I don’t trust researchers of the net in bed with the security state to call it out and feel compelled to. It will kill us all-this eye for an eye crap.

Somehow the madness must stop.

Perhaps the shooters were "triggered", y'know by this...



Maybe they were triggered by this:



I mean, how triggering to see a group of Jews together, celebrating!

Also, expect the Hypercacher response too.

Of course, we are reminded how some are "horrified" by this when in fact, like Trump, it is nothing more than a means to an end.

When "Hannukah anti-Semitism" morphs into "Purim anti-Semitism"!!!

argue about this particular ideology was responsible for any particular act of killing Jews, especially when there are close ties between the factions.

https://gnet-research.org/2021/08/24/connecting-the-fringes-neo-nazi-glorification-of-salafi-jihadi-representations-online/


They are both far-right religous extreemists with anti-sematism as a central pillar of their belief. I find defending one the same as defending the other.

A friend of mine follows the anti-fascist researcher Dave Emory who have looked at extensive ties between various extremist and hard right movements which make surprising bed partners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Emory

If you look at his wiki, he does sound like a conspiracy theorist. But from what little I followed of it, it is generally not based in bullshit or lies as opposed to say Candace Owens.Though his thesis or lens may not be one more mainstream people agree with, he isn’t a conspiracy theorist. And some of it is solid like the stuff you posted.

You can see it even with Andre Behring or Savitri Devi etc-a certain attraction fringe rightists have to each other. And the stuff you pointed out.

Genuine extremists generally have more in common with each other than with the mainstream. Generally they are all in conflict mostly as each backs their own brand of theocratic crazy not others. But now and then they cross pollinate.

Dwelling as I do farther to the left than many and not above tongue in cheek references to the Scum Manifesto etc, I think it is important to know and avoid all the violent and crazy stuff.