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mahatmakanejeeves

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Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:17 AM Dec 13

Trump's new Air Force One jet from Boeing is delayed again

Aerospace & Defense

Trump's new Air Force One jet from Boeing is delayed again

Published Fri, Dec 12 2025 7:03 PM EST
Updated 5 Hours Ago
Reuters


A model of a proposed design for a new Air Force One plane sits on the table as US President Donald Trump meets with Prime Minister of Norway Jonas Gahr Store in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC, on April 24, 2025.
Saul Loeb | AFP | Getty Images

The U.S. Air Force said on Friday the delivery of the first of two new Air Force One jets from Boeing has been delayed by another year to mid-2028, the latest in a series of delays.

The latest delay risks further upsetting President Donald Trump, who said he wants to fly in the new planes before the end of his term in January 2029.

The cost for Boeing's current effort to build the two new jets is over $5 billion. The current Air Force One airplanes entered service in 1990.

The Air Force One program, which involves converting two 747-8 aircraft into specialized jets equipped with advanced communications and defense systems to serve as the next generation of U.S. presidential air transport, would be four years behind schedule with a 2028 delivery.

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Trump's new Air Force One jet from Boeing is delayed again (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 13 OP
Maybe It Will Be Ready in Time for His Last Flight as President, MineralMan Dec 13 #1
Maybe sooner, to fly his remains to Florida. nilram Dec 13 #6
Yes, well... MineralMan Dec 13 #7
Boeing has been going down hill for years now... Mark.b2 Dec 13 #2
Is the US president going to fly in a European plane? newdeal2 Dec 13 #3
POTUS should fly only American planes... Mark.b2 Dec 13 #5
They have competition. That doesn't seem to help. Bluetus Dec 13 #8
Did the architect quit on that too? C_U_L8R Dec 13 #4

MineralMan

(150,641 posts)
1. Maybe It Will Be Ready in Time for His Last Flight as President,
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:37 AM
Dec 13

on the day before Inauguration Day of the new Democratic President.

Mark.b2

(720 posts)
2. Boeing has been going down hill for years now...
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:38 AM
Dec 13

How in the damn world can they announce an almost three year delay in a project?

They need competition.

newdeal2

(4,778 posts)
3. Is the US president going to fly in a European plane?
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:48 AM
Dec 13

Or a Chinese one?

I do hope this president tries his luck in a SpaceX rocket.

Mark.b2

(720 posts)
5. POTUS should fly only American planes...
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 12:00 PM
Dec 13

747’s can fly for decades, so AF1 should be good for a while.

It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for an upstart to put competitive pressure on Boeing. It’s too bad we don’t have a McDonnell-Douglas around, notwithstanding the MD-80.

Airbus has given them plenty in the commercial airline space. It seems 3/4 of the planes I ride are Airbus.

Bluetus

(2,296 posts)
8. They have competition. That doesn't seem to help.
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 05:06 PM
Dec 13

They have competition 737 and up from Airbus.

They have competition below 737 from Embraer.

I think the issue is that with Exec competition 1000X the pay of line workers, there is no longer any sense of team, because, in fact, the exec are 100% in it for their own personal gain, and every decision is driven by how they can screw workers and maximize their stock options.

It isn't just the airframe industry. It is most large industries, but the aeronautics industry is the most vivid of cases. This industry is almost exactly 100 years old. And without any notable exceptions, the first 50 years were led by people with dreams and vision of achieving something revolutionary. And the last 50 years have been owned by the spreadsheet junkies with no vision at all.

The exceptions are so rare as to count on one hand. Burt Rutan for one. And more recently we have a couple of companies trying to re-commercialize supersonic travel with a new wave of tech. Personally, I am very interested in what Jetzero is trying to do, refining and scaling the flying wing designs (think B2 bomber). I flew nearly 2 million miles during my working career, and most of them were uncomfortable, if not miserable. The Jetzero approach replaces those narrow, claustrophobic tubes with wide, open cabins. The engines are mounted above the body, making them quieter around airports, and easier to pilot in the event of an engine failure (because both engines are near the center axis.) I hope they succeed, but they may not be employing enough spreadsheet junkies to make it is these late-stage capitalism years.

After all those years of almost daily flying, I have only boarded planes a dozen times in the past 15 years, and will be happy to never fight my way through another one of those narrow tubes. I hope Jetzero succeeds.

https://www.jetzero.aero/

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