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angrychair

(11,693 posts) Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:49 PM Apr 2025

Justice delayed is justice denied

From the hearing today on Garcia it appears they are doing discovery and will reconvene in two weeks.
So at least two more weeks of delays. Likely a lot more.
Why didn't this judge demand immediate compliance with the SCOTUS order to bring him back home and instead we get this bullshit?

Sorry, I get the law can work slowly but somehow it only ever does when it's to the advantage of the wealthy and affluent.

Reference:

HAPPENING NOW: At the federal courthouse in Greenbelt, Maryland, Judge Paula Xinis is set to begin a hearing on the governmentâ€™s efforts â€“ or lack thereof â€“ to â€œfacilitateâ€ the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland resident who was wrongly removed to El Salvador.

Follow along for updates â¬‡ï¸
— Anna Bower (@annabower.bsky.social) 2025-04-15T19:56:54.261Z

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Justice delayed is justice denied (Original Post) angrychair Apr 2025 OP

According to experts... the SCOTUS order doesn't order his return. WarGamer Apr 2025 #1

That doesn't appear to be conventional wisdom angrychair Apr 2025 #5

I find myself agreeing with you. I understand from a legal expert who is Mike 03 Apr 2025 #2

Gee, just what defendant Donny did when he wasn't;t prez rurallib Apr 2025 #3

The Judge got more and more pissed off at Ensign, the more he talked. Wiz Imp Apr 2025 #4

I get that aspect of it angrychair Apr 2025 #6

Meanwhile Mr. Garcia..... spanone Apr 2025 #7

WarGamer

(18,249 posts)

1. According to experts... the SCOTUS order doesn't order his return.

Reply to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 03:56 PM

Apr 2025

Roberts scolded the lower Court Judge and she modified her response to the DoJ.

There is no legal requirement for him to be returned... Roberts inserted the right "weasel word"

angrychair

(11,693 posts)

5. That doesn't appear to be conventional wisdom

Reply to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:18 PM

Apr 2025

There is no legal requirement for him to be returned

Most of the stuff I've read or seen clips of from legal experts on news programs all say it is a 9-0 order to return him to the US.

To be clear to say anything other than "bring him home" is to say the 4th, 5th and 14th amendments no longer apply...to anyone. (Because I either it applies to everyone or no one at all)

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)

2. I find myself agreeing with you. I understand from a legal expert who is

Reply to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:03 PM

Apr 2025

tweeting that this judge is carefully building a case for contempt, but I'm worried this guy may not survive because I doubt Trump wants him coming back to the United States and giving hundreds of interviews about what just happened to him, and the president of El Salvador seems not to give a shit about him either.

I wish the judge would order his return tonight and worry about contempt, etc... after he's back on American soil.

rurallib

(64,554 posts)

3. Gee, just what defendant Donny did when he wasn't;t prez

Reply to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:33 PM

Apr 2025

and it worked - he got away with huge crimes! justice delayed IS justice denied.

Wiz Imp

(8,991 posts)

4. The Judge got more and more pissed off at Ensign, the more he talked.

Reply to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:01 PM

Apr 2025

Might not be an overly satisfying immediate result, but she's clearly building a rock solid case for a contempt ruling.

angrychair

(11,693 posts)

6. I get that aspect of it

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:23 PM

Apr 2025

But I also know that that poor man and really all the people we sent there, are suffering and suffering a fate that has nothing to do with them personally. It's just a political game they are playing.

spanone

(141,014 posts)

7. Meanwhile Mr. Garcia.....

Reply to angrychair (Original post)

Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:25 PM

Apr 2025

JFC

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