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tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:32 PM Apr 2025

I'm starting to think these deportations are human trafficking. Explain to me how it is not

Last edited Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:06 PM - Edit history (1)

We accuse the cartels of doing that, but if this bastard of an administration are forcing people to go to these prisons, our own citizens, mind you, without rights, how is that different from human trafficking?


Update: The basic premise on this is, if we are doing this, what gives the US the right to complain about what other countries are doing? We can't claim we are for democracy and yet we do stuff like this. We are no better than the countries we accuse of.

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I'm starting to think these deportations are human trafficking. Explain to me how it is not (Original Post) tornado34jh Apr 2025 OP
"Terrorism" Is not a valid reason. They have committed crimes not terrorism. And we should give them due process. Walleye Apr 2025 #1
What I am saying is, you need proof that they did the alleged stuff tornado34jh Apr 2025 #3
Absolutely. Another one of Putin's goals, make America hostile to human rights. Walleye Apr 2025 #6
I used to watch a series called Locked Up Abroad tornado34jh Apr 2025 #10
This is how he solves the immigration problem? Makes it so awful here. Nobody wants to come here. Walleye Apr 2025 #12
His cult wants a white, Christian, theocratic, heterosexual, nativist view tornado34jh Apr 2025 #15
They know it's impossible to get what they want. They just wanna make us miserable for making it impossible. Walleye Apr 2025 #16
It is kidnapping gab13by13 Apr 2025 #2
As I said, human trafficking is a serious accusation I am throwing at, and I don't take it lightly tornado34jh Apr 2025 #8
Human trafficking is usually for profit, things like prostitution and slave labor... Wounded Bear Apr 2025 #4
Politics and profit making are all the same to Trump. To him, they are all part of the same thing. His greed. Walleye Apr 2025 #7
But he's paying a lot of money to do flights to El Salvador, and he just met Bukele tornado34jh Apr 2025 #9
I'm speculating here, but could someone with deep pockets Qutzupalotl Apr 2025 #11
That I don't know, but again, there is a history with the US supporting right-wing governments in Latin America tornado34jh Apr 2025 #13
Somebody is making money from this enterprise. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #14
I'm betting it is someone shadowy tornado34jh Apr 2025 #17
Trump is giving US tax payer money to Bukele who probably gives Trump a kick back. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #18
Two peas on a pod tornado34jh Apr 2025 #19
Yes the corruption is across the board: congress, media, courts, judges, supreme court. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #20
A friend of mine that I used to know put something on Facebook tornado34jh Apr 2025 #23
It is human trafficking. pandr32 Apr 2025 #5
What US citizens? WarGamer Apr 2025 #21
Just anybody, regardless of who it is tornado34jh Apr 2025 #22
Updated the post for the basic premise of why we have no right to accuse other countries of their transgressions tornado34jh Apr 2025 #24

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
1. "Terrorism" Is not a valid reason. They have committed crimes not terrorism. And we should give them due process.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:36 PM
Apr 2025

I guess we have some information they don’t. It’s called the US Constitution. Since W, they muddled up terrorism and criminal activity so they could be these kinds of fascists. Just saying national security is not the excuse they think it is. We have not been attacked.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
3. What I am saying is, you need proof that they did the alleged stuff
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:41 PM
Apr 2025

I saw an article the other day about Rumeysa Ozturk, the Tufts University student. They couldn't prove that she was involved in any of the things that she is accused of. So what gives us the right to dictate what other countries do when we are doing the very things we accuse them of? I don't say human trafficking lightly, I am all out accusing this administration of doing that.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
6. Absolutely. Another one of Putin's goals, make America hostile to human rights.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:45 PM
Apr 2025

At any given time, we’ve only just barely had the moral high ground anyway. Now all that is gone, gone forever

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
10. I used to watch a series called Locked Up Abroad
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:54 PM
Apr 2025

Let me tell you, some of the prisons they are in are in bad countries. Many of the countries they go to have very draconian laws in regards to certain things, and you often have no rights there. That is what the US is heading towards if it has not done so already.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
12. This is how he solves the immigration problem? Makes it so awful here. Nobody wants to come here.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:02 PM
Apr 2025

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
15. His cult wants a white, Christian, theocratic, heterosexual, nativist view
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:08 PM
Apr 2025

They say you're known by the company you keep, and his base and administration reflects that.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
16. They know it's impossible to get what they want. They just wanna make us miserable for making it impossible.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:22 PM
Apr 2025

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
8. As I said, human trafficking is a serious accusation I am throwing at, and I don't take it lightly
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:48 PM
Apr 2025

But what I see seems very much like one. We accuse other countries of doing it, but yet, we're sending people to El Salvador with no rights. By the way, the US is not innocent when it comes to El Salvador and MS-13. They supported the junta the caused the civil war, and thus, a lot of the people who fled El Salvador became MS-13, mostly to protect themselves. I'm not excusing what MS-13 does, but the US is not innocent when it comes to the rise of it.

Wounded Bear

(63,857 posts)
4. Human trafficking is usually for profit, things like prostitution and slave labor...
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:41 PM
Apr 2025

I don't see a profit motive in these deportations, at least not a financial one. There does seem to be a political "profit" in that the move seems to be popular with a certain class of our fellow citizens, and is good for removing potential political adversaries.

Nacht und nebel is big in the Authoritarian Handbook. Good for instilling fear among the populace and silencing voices.

Walleye

(43,844 posts)
7. Politics and profit making are all the same to Trump. To him, they are all part of the same thing. His greed.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Apr 2025

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
9. But he's paying a lot of money to do flights to El Salvador, and he just met Bukele
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:51 PM
Apr 2025

Bukele is a businessman just like Trump, so there would be a good reason to keep people there. So there is a financial reason, thus I think it is human trafficking. He obviously is paying ICE to do that.

Qutzupalotl

(15,663 posts)
11. I'm speculating here, but could someone with deep pockets
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:59 PM
Apr 2025

essentially outbid Trump? Pay Bukele $9 million to return them to a U.S. state prison? Or just Garcia?

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
13. That I don't know, but again, there is a history with the US supporting right-wing governments in Latin America
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:04 PM
Apr 2025

I would not be surprised if he is just like Trump.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
17. I'm betting it is someone shadowy
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 04:58 PM
Apr 2025

Follow the money in regards to the donors that Trump is getting money from

Irish_Dem

(79,889 posts)
18. Trump is giving US tax payer money to Bukele who probably gives Trump a kick back.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:05 PM
Apr 2025

I imagine it is all quite a bit of money.

Bukele had a huge smirking grin on his face during the entire visit to the Oval Office.
He cannot believe his good luck.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
19. Two peas on a pod
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:27 PM
Apr 2025

He loves dictators, that is no surprise. We could have stopped all this, but corruption in the government and all these delays ended up meaning he got away just like his mentor Putin

Irish_Dem

(79,889 posts)
20. Yes the corruption is across the board: congress, media, courts, judges, supreme court.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:30 PM
Apr 2025

Even federal officers are thrilled to act like the Gestapo.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
23. A friend of mine that I used to know put something on Facebook
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:53 PM
Apr 2025

It shows that the CECOT place looks like it might have human remains. She can't definitively prove it, but if it is true, then that is a red flag for human rights.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
22. Just anybody, regardless of who it is
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 05:46 PM
Apr 2025

Do you remember when, Brittany Griner and I believe Paul Whelan, were imprisoned in Russia, the GOP didn't like the fact that Brittany Griner was released? Russia has secret trials, and they often don't have rights there. They were all up in arms that Paul Whelan was not released. Now, all of a sudden, whether it be legal US citizens or students for crimes they didn't commit, and had no due process, they are so silent about it. That is why I am questioning them. They were all up in arms that Whelan was abandoned, and that when Biden was president. Now their king is in power, and not a word from them. They would be up in arms demanding release if a country like Turkey, Brazil, or Iran took one of their guys in prison. Basically, I am calling out the hypocrisy. They accuse other countries of human trafficking, but yet they are doing the very things that they accuse them of.

tornado34jh

(1,521 posts)
24. Updated the post for the basic premise of why we have no right to accuse other countries of their transgressions
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:07 PM
Apr 2025

When we are doing the very things we accuse them of.

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