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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm starting to think these deportations are human trafficking. Explain to me how it is not
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We accuse the cartels of doing that, but if this bastard of an administration are forcing people to go to these prisons, our own citizens, mind you, without rights, how is that different from human trafficking?
Update: The basic premise on this is, if we are doing this, what gives the US the right to complain about what other countries are doing? We can't claim we are for democracy and yet we do stuff like this. We are no better than the countries we accuse of.
Walleye
(43,844 posts)I guess we have some information they dont. Its called the US Constitution. Since W, they muddled up terrorism and criminal activity so they could be these kinds of fascists. Just saying national security is not the excuse they think it is. We have not been attacked.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)I saw an article the other day about Rumeysa Ozturk, the Tufts University student. They couldn't prove that she was involved in any of the things that she is accused of. So what gives us the right to dictate what other countries do when we are doing the very things we accuse them of? I don't say human trafficking lightly, I am all out accusing this administration of doing that.
Walleye
(43,844 posts)At any given time, weve only just barely had the moral high ground anyway. Now all that is gone, gone forever
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)Let me tell you, some of the prisons they are in are in bad countries. Many of the countries they go to have very draconian laws in regards to certain things, and you often have no rights there. That is what the US is heading towards if it has not done so already.
Walleye
(43,844 posts)tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)They say you're known by the company you keep, and his base and administration reflects that.
Walleye
(43,844 posts)gab13by13
(31,259 posts)Waiting for a Democratic state AG to charge someone.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)But what I see seems very much like one. We accuse other countries of doing it, but yet, we're sending people to El Salvador with no rights. By the way, the US is not innocent when it comes to El Salvador and MS-13. They supported the junta the caused the civil war, and thus, a lot of the people who fled El Salvador became MS-13, mostly to protect themselves. I'm not excusing what MS-13 does, but the US is not innocent when it comes to the rise of it.
Wounded Bear
(63,857 posts)I don't see a profit motive in these deportations, at least not a financial one. There does seem to be a political "profit" in that the move seems to be popular with a certain class of our fellow citizens, and is good for removing potential political adversaries.
Nacht und nebel is big in the Authoritarian Handbook. Good for instilling fear among the populace and silencing voices.
Walleye
(43,844 posts)tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)Bukele is a businessman just like Trump, so there would be a good reason to keep people there. So there is a financial reason, thus I think it is human trafficking. He obviously is paying ICE to do that.
Qutzupalotl
(15,663 posts)essentially outbid Trump? Pay Bukele $9 million to return them to a U.S. state prison? Or just Garcia?
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)I would not be surprised if he is just like Trump.
Irish_Dem
(79,889 posts)We just don't know the details yet.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)Follow the money in regards to the donors that Trump is getting money from
Irish_Dem
(79,889 posts)I imagine it is all quite a bit of money.
Bukele had a huge smirking grin on his face during the entire visit to the Oval Office.
He cannot believe his good luck.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)He loves dictators, that is no surprise. We could have stopped all this, but corruption in the government and all these delays ended up meaning he got away just like his mentor Putin
Irish_Dem
(79,889 posts)Even federal officers are thrilled to act like the Gestapo.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)It shows that the CECOT place looks like it might have human remains. She can't definitively prove it, but if it is true, then that is a red flag for human rights.
pandr32
(13,797 posts)WarGamer
(18,256 posts)tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)Do you remember when, Brittany Griner and I believe Paul Whelan, were imprisoned in Russia, the GOP didn't like the fact that Brittany Griner was released? Russia has secret trials, and they often don't have rights there. They were all up in arms that Paul Whelan was not released. Now, all of a sudden, whether it be legal US citizens or students for crimes they didn't commit, and had no due process, they are so silent about it. That is why I am questioning them. They were all up in arms that Whelan was abandoned, and that when Biden was president. Now their king is in power, and not a word from them. They would be up in arms demanding release if a country like Turkey, Brazil, or Iran took one of their guys in prison. Basically, I am calling out the hypocrisy. They accuse other countries of human trafficking, but yet they are doing the very things that they accuse them of.
tornado34jh
(1,521 posts)When we are doing the very things we accuse them of.