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DetlefK

(16,670 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 05:58 AM Apr 2025

Why the US stopped Europe from building an army, yet demands they spend more on weapons.

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Europe tried to build their own army outside of NATO-influence. The Clinton administration put a stop to that.

The US is the only multi-purpose army in NATO. All other european countries were urged by the US to specialize their armies and to forego things like proper logistics and a proper mix of martial options for all scenarios. For the sake of cost-savings and efficiency, because Europe's national armies don't all need to be capable of everything, because the US will always be ready to help out....

And now, Trump has badgered Europe into spending more money on their armies. And the EU has obliged: In early April 2025, the EU has greenlit $150 in arms-deals......... with the caveat that the money be spent on military-manufacturers in Europe.
Lil' Marco immediately protested that this discrimination against the US military-industrial complex is outrageous.



So, why is the US interested in Europe having multiple small inefficient armies that buy US weapons yet depend on the goodwill of the US military infrastructure to properly use them?
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Why the US stopped Europe from building an army, yet demands they spend more on weapons. (Original Post) DetlefK Apr 2025 OP
Is Trump destroying the American military industrial complex? Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #1
Eet ees hees weesh. Eet ees hees command. EYESORE 9001 Apr 2025 #2
Yes interesting isn't it? Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #3
It sets off alarm bells in my head EYESORE 9001 Apr 2025 #4
You raise a good question. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #5

EYESORE 9001

(29,449 posts)
2. Eet ees hees weesh. Eet ees hees command.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 06:24 AM
Apr 2025

Sounds better with a Russian accent. Vladdy Daddy certainly approves, I think.

Mind you, I’ve had issues with the MIC going way back, but I never advocated for its complete demise. It’s the unbridled power and outsized influence that bother me. Frankly, I’m surprised the major players haven’t been more outspoken.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
3. Yes interesting isn't it?
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 06:30 AM
Apr 2025

Yes the MIC is a greedy and corrupt entity.
Forcing the American taxpayer to fund out of control projects and obsolete weapons.

It should be clipped but not destroyed.

Of course, all of it has Putin's fingerprints on it.

EYESORE 9001

(29,449 posts)
4. It sets off alarm bells in my head
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 06:45 AM
Apr 2025

As if it weren’t noisy enough already.

In these paranoiac times, is it wrong to ponder why power brokers surrounding the MIC haven’t been running around with their hair on fire? It makes me wonder why there’s complacency in the face of financial withering on the vine. If there’s a ‘big fix’, and if it’s ‘in’, it’s beyond the scope of this forum and belongs rightfully in fiction or speculative politics.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
5. You raise a good question.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:02 AM
Apr 2025

Why isn't the MIC making noises about their possible decline and loss of European customers?
The world is not interested in buying weapons/aircraft controlled by the US military who could
cut off aircraft or weapon capability in mid air.

Perhaps the MIC knows that US taxpayer dollars will always be funneled to them.
No questions asked.

Or perhaps Putin has bought off the US MIC like he has bought off everyone else?

BTW asking good questions and speculating based on data and observations are the basis of science.
It is not fiction and it is not conspiracy to ask questions and speculate.

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