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Last Friday, I came for my somewhat annual April trip to the USA. After all the horror stories, I was ready for almost anything. There are no nonstops from Düsseldorf to Washington, so I changed planes in Amsterdam. The line for passport control to leave the EU was huge, a half hour wait, but I endured it. I was expecting all sorts of interrogations before boarding the flight to Dulles, but nothing. Zip. Een prettige vlucht, mijnherr. Have a nice flight sir. The food was great, entertainment blah, but the KLM crew was pleasant and professional. Their English was fluent, although they appreciated an American who spoke Dutch.
At Dulles, there was another half hour line at immigration. Since my wife was not with me this trip, I went to the US citizens line. It moved rather slowly, and I had the misfortune to be just behind a trio of foreigners. Presumably one was a US citizen, as they werent taken to the Visitors line. But the one was interpreting for the other two, and the immigration officer was getting frustrated by not getting his questions answered, or valid US passports presented. He called for backup, looked at me and held up a hand in a wait gesture. I nodded, and held up my hand in what I hoped was a no problem gesture.
Soon, another CBP guy appeared and took the three people away. It didnt necessarily mean they were trying to gain entry illegally, but it did mean something was off, and the guy wasnt going to hold up fifty other passengers on their account. When he came back, he gave a thanks for your patience nod, and only asked one of the usual questions. They are: how long were you gone, where did you visit, do you have $10,000 or more in cash or negotiables, and are you bringing any food. He only asked, are you bringing any food? I said I did this often enough to know not to bring anything that would raise Agricultures eyebrows. He smiled, said, welcome home, and that was it.
The line had taken enough time that my luggage was already there. My brother had already been circling outside in his car for half an hour, and huge limos for VIPs or with DIPL plates that abused their untouchable status were clogging the curbs, so that normal mortals like us couldnt easily find our rides.
But all in all, it was a fairly routine trip over. The plane from Amsterdam to Washington was jammed, not a free seat in the entire plane. My initial impression was that the passengers were half Americans, half not, although I wasnt about to conduct a poll. But if there is any boycotting of the USA going on, it wasnt apparent at the international arrivals area of Dulles Airport last Friday. Full planes and long lines.
Maybe the summer will tell a different story. Incidents of individual Europeans or Australians being mistreated by US authorities may only get minor mention in our media, but in the countries where these people originate, they are front page headlines, and there will be a perceptible ripple effect sooner or later.
hlthe2b
(112,850 posts)Canadian leisure travel is down 20% already and I can only assume that from Europe is even lower. Delta Airlines has had to tell their stockholders (off record) to expect a very bad year after predicting the opposite in January.
So, US citizens who are not POC or whose social media, laptops, cell phones, and other devices are not deemed anti-administration will probably continue to pass through with zero issues. But, I have gotten warnings from everyone from AAA to AARP on how to protect oneself against the latter, so this is no longer some Minority Report film plotline, and I feel no discomfort discussing what I'd have guessed to be silly paranoia and conspiracy theory even a year ago.
I hope you and others traveling will keep us apprised at what you are experiencing AND witnessing.
DFW
(59,753 posts)I cant imagine what things will be like for an Otavaleño that I met on the streets of Boston last summer. He was a full-blooded Quichua from Ecuador busking with his pan pipes and haunting Andean folk music. During a break, I asked him in Spanish where he was from. When he said Ecuador, I immediately guessed his home town, which was Otavalo. He was stunned, wondering how some random Gringo on the street in Boston could ever guess what town he was from in rural Ecuador.
But not all of us gringos are totally ignorant of the world outside of our borders, and a few of us are even aware that Otavalo is a famous home town to street buskers of Andean music, and that they end up on street corners in many lands, especially in North America and Europe. We probably talked for over half an hour. He is exactly the kind of person I am proud to welcome as a visitor, and appalled that he is likely to be the kind of guy that would now get refused a visa.
I am waiting to hear more horror stories from acquaintances who get harassed or detained (hoping my wife will not be one of them this year). Im sure there will be some. I dont know which of my EU, Canadian or East Asian colleagues, if any, are canceling plans to come to the USA this summer. If they are, I dont blame them. If not, I hope they are not harassed or worse. My worst treatment at an American airport was at the hands of a despicable team of American Airlines employees, whose airline I will never fly again.
Im sure there will be one or more ugly incidents to report in the near future. This past Friday just happened not to be one if them.
hlthe2b
(112,850 posts)Americans are not total a'holes-- as well as disinterested in the rest of the world.
Be safe in your travels. I'd imagine we are engendering at least a modicum of disdain among Europeans and others right now--even while most undoubtedly know the score...
DFW
(59,753 posts)And Europeans, having gone through the 20th century, are far less inclined to ask, "how could you let this happen?" They know from their own experience: when too many people are too complacent, the ones who thought, "it could never come to that!" look on in dismayed amazement when it does, too, come to "that."
For decades, I have been, next to my day job, of course, been using what language skills I have to impress upon Europeans, as well as resident Africans and Asians, that we Americans who dissent forcefully from our dark, ugly side (i.e. the Republicans) are at least as full of conviction in our views as the extremist right, even if, as Unamuno mentioned when addressing the Spanish Fascists in 1936, we do not always have "la fuerza bruta" (brute force) equal to theirs to counter it to the extent we wish. Most in Europe understand.
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,153 posts)Hope your visit goes smoothly.
And best of luck to any foreign visitors.
DFW
(59,753 posts)He now has a legal residence in Poland, EU. Ill let you know if he is given a hard time or not (remind me if I forget! April 24th or so).
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,153 posts)ecstatic
(35,013 posts)When it comes to the international returns / customs area. The main tip I have is to be super alert and pay attention to all orders that are barked out because there is zero tolerance for confusion / ADHD (and that was before trump's anti-immigrant / anti-visitor crackdown).
DFW
(59,753 posts)My wife has been detained twice in Atlanta by idiot CBP agents. The first time by some younger guy looking to prove how tough or thorough he was. He claimed she was planning to overstay her allotted 90 days (out of 180) that she could stay visa-free. We (I wouldnt leave her side) were detained in a waiting area for an hour, and then called before a panel of three uniforms who examined her passport and tickets, saw she was within the rules, apologized and let her go. The second time, the CBP guy was himself an immigrant (Dutch Caribbean, from his appearance, accent and nameplate. This jerk claimed that my wifes fingerprints didnt match, despite our insistence that she had not replaced her fingers since the last time she had entered the USA. We had to wait 45 minutes, got called before the three man panel, all of whom looked at the problem, rolled their eyes, and apologized profusely for the first agents stupid attitude before sending us on our way. Atlanta for us is usually either smooth as silk or like walking in hot coals.
GenThePerservering
(3,146 posts)searched, frisked, questioned, "taken aside", the last time I was taken "Downstairs" at Heathrow. Once I thought customs at Tullamarine in Melbourne wasn't even going to let me in.
I can't even imagine what is going to happen when I fly to England this winter. Or back in the spring.
DFW
(59,753 posts)It happened to me twice in Amsterdam and once in Frankfurt on the way to the USA. The one time the TSA came close to harassing me was at Logan Airport in Boston when I was on my way to Dallas. Single male passenger with a beard, must be Taliban, right?. After the security check, as TSA guy approached me and said I had been chosen for a random (suuure it was) additional security check.
But I knew immediately what was going on, and these guys are nothing but bureaucrats trained by other bureaucrats. They are told what to expect (objections and protest) and how to react (with firmness and force if necessary). So, what does one do in this situation? Give them the opposite of what they are expecting. I immediately assumed the voice of a Southern Drill Sergeant from a Marine boot camp, and said, as if I were the one giving orders, "alright, sir, let's get it done!" The TSA guy was so surprised, he ran a hand up my leg while I stood rigid and cooperative, and he quickly said, OK, thank you, and got lost.