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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:12 PM Apr 2025

Whoever is elected the 48th president won't be able to easily rebuild what Donald Trump is busy destroying.

Whoever is elected the 48th president won’t be able to easily rebuild what Donald Trump is busy destroying. Countries can and will move on without the United States. Their firms will establish new supply chains and pursue other markets. Even if the U.S. were the ultra-dominant trading partner it used to be, the credibility of the nation’s promises, its treaties, its agreements, and even its basic rationality has evaporated in just weeks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/trump-tariff-chaos-unfixable/682419/

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Whoever is elected the 48th president won't be able to easily rebuild what Donald Trump is busy destroying. (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2025 OP
The rest of the world can't wait around to see what the voters in Wisconsin do every year. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #1
agreed. the world won't forget that the people of the USA voted for this monstrosity. Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #2
It IS all on tmp; most had no idea he (and mk) would go so far. elleng Apr 2025 #5
Trump has a 32% base of voters that back him no matter what. Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #9
until his actions are actually FELT; elleng Apr 2025 #12
Agreed Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #42
Voters, congress, courts, supreme court, media, law firms, Trump Gestapo federal officers. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #7
That is true. Much is lost forever. It cannot be like it was. taxi Apr 2025 #10
Decades of relentless ruthless GOP propaganda has been devastating to the US. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #13
The straight, white, Christian, males are a very big portion of the Venn diagram. taxi Apr 2025 #18
Speaker Johnson is a menace to going forward. He believes women should be at allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #22
He is a worm. Nothing but a worm. taxi Apr 2025 #26
We have to decide if we want to live in a democracy, rule of law, bill of rights, constitution. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #23
Let us present them as the minority government. taxi Apr 2025 #29
Yes the USA is under minority rule. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #30
The time has come to tell the public. taxi Apr 2025 #32
I know, it is a mystery. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #34
CLEARLY won't be 'easy' to rebuild, elleng Apr 2025 #3
President of what? tavernier Apr 2025 #4
Our,... our,... our,.... done in collaboration,.... magicarpet Apr 2025 #6
that prez would need a massive congressional majority to get things set right nt msongs Apr 2025 #8
Right. HOPING for sanity within Congress. elleng Apr 2025 #14
I keep hearing that but I just, perhaps hopefully, don't agree. Trump and Trumpism is just such a complete aberration.. FadedMullet Apr 2025 #11
YES! elleng Apr 2025 #15
Thank you. Let's remain hopeful now and a little contrite later. FadedMullet Apr 2025 #21
Agree. But it will take all of us. Not just Congress. delisen Apr 2025 #17
Could not agree more. Heck, I'm up for the state's doing a Constiutional Convention to bypass Congress and.... FadedMullet Apr 2025 #24
"We're not villains..." but B.See Apr 2025 #20
You're right, of course. Trump has enabled America's "dark side" and the battle will continue once he is gone. FadedMullet Apr 2025 #27
It's going to take a generation to rebuild America after tangerine toddler destroys it. aeromanKC Apr 2025 #16
We need to concentrate on getting Trump out first. hadEnuf Apr 2025 #19
I KNOW!!!!!!! a kennedy Apr 2025 #25
People are still blaming Reagan for all sorts of things MichMan Apr 2025 #28
Couldn't stand him, but he seems mild by comparison, now. nt allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #33
Take some doing Timewas Apr 2025 #31
You mean whomever ascends to the White House when Trump dies misanthrope Apr 2025 #35
No, but they'll be blamed if they can't do all of it, and more, in only 3 years chowmama Apr 2025 #36
We'll have experienced a moonscape Apr 2025 #37
If we don't want another Trump - we need to acknowledge the damage propaganda is doing to this county. Initech Apr 2025 #38
Especially as climate change gets worse Kaleva Apr 2025 #39
Yes. 45 could be seen as an aberration. But he was elected again. The U.S. "brand" might recover... pat_k Apr 2025 #40
True and they are already considering Don jr as political heir Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #43
It seems like it but... Dem4life1970 Apr 2025 #41
Yes but 4 years of resource starvation of science, universities, cultural infrastructure is gonna hurt Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #44
Whoever is elected the 48 President of the United States will have to be magnanimous William769 Apr 2025 #45

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
1. The rest of the world can't wait around to see what the voters in Wisconsin do every year.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:15 PM
Apr 2025

Even if we get a good president, some of the damage will take many years to heal, if ever.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
2. agreed. the world won't forget that the people of the USA voted for this monstrosity.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:17 PM
Apr 2025

it's not all on Trump. He was voted in.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
7. Voters, congress, courts, supreme court, media, law firms, Trump Gestapo federal officers.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:20 PM
Apr 2025

Many people created and maintain the Trump fascist monster.

taxi

(2,676 posts)
10. That is true. Much is lost forever. It cannot be like it was.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:24 PM
Apr 2025

Maybe our concerns need to become laser focused on keeping what the Democrats have built. Maybe the shift in our message needs to include, Fine. Tear your own shit apart. Take away anything you want from your own people, your compliant republicans. They are not our problem. We are fighting for our beliefs, and if the idea of democracy isn't part of your plan, we're fine with that. Don't f' with us.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
13. Decades of relentless ruthless GOP propaganda has been devastating to the US.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:28 PM
Apr 2025

They have been taught to hate all Americans who are not straight white GOP christian males.
They sold our country down the river to the Russians.

taxi

(2,676 posts)
18. The straight, white, Christian, males are a very big portion of the Venn diagram.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:40 PM
Apr 2025

They are 4 overlapping demographics, each with their own following and followers. Honestly, if we continue to isolate sector by sector we will never win. They'll just keep splitting into this sect or that sect. Chamilions all of them. Our strongest message has to be Us. We are the defenders.

allegorical oracle

(6,165 posts)
22. Speaker Johnson is a menace to going forward. He believes women should be at
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:01 PM
Apr 2025

home, preferably pregnant, and silently supporting the "head" of the household. He is a remnant of another generation.

taxi

(2,676 posts)
26. He is a worm. Nothing but a worm.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:06 PM
Apr 2025

Owns a pied-a-terre. Do you know where? HHS. In the head of HHS. In a literal way.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
23. We have to decide if we want to live in a democracy, rule of law, bill of rights, constitution.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:04 PM
Apr 2025

Or under fascist and white male christian minority rule.

White males only make up 30% of the US population but they have most of the power.

taxi

(2,676 posts)
29. Let us present them as the minority government.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:13 PM
Apr 2025

We need to stop beating around the bush by letting them claim what they don't have.
In the 1950's they were the king-of-the-hill. As long as we let them hold that honor they will do as republicans always do - they will deny losing. They have lost. Pound that message home. This isn't the first Rocky movie where by shear will power they save the day. They have lost. They are losers.

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
30. Yes the USA is under minority rule.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:15 PM
Apr 2025

If it was any other country, the UN and other global groups would red flag us.

We are now under minority and fascist rule.

taxi

(2,676 posts)
32. The time has come to tell the public.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:26 PM
Apr 2025

Tell them.
Ask them.
Ask them to find out for themselves.
Ask what happens when they try to speak with their elected puppets. Ask them what answers they get. Ask them why they lie down and accept excuse after excuse why their wants and need dreams always have to wait.
Ask them why they put up with it.
Tell them to open their eyes and to think.
Why is it that the people, the reporters, and the papers tell you that the Democrats are so bad? Is it because the Democrats are the ONLY ONES fighting. Everyone else is gutless

Irish_Dem

(79,734 posts)
34. I know, it is a mystery.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:17 PM
Apr 2025

We are experiencing a fascist take over of our country.
And most every one just goes about their daily business and ignores it.

But there have recently been mass protests.
But they will change nothing?

elleng

(141,926 posts)
3. CLEARLY won't be 'easy' to rebuild,
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:18 PM
Apr 2025

which is why we need/will need LOTS of creative thinking and action.

tavernier

(14,262 posts)
4. President of what?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:19 PM
Apr 2025

Surely can’t they see that by 2028 this country will be renamed (do we truly think that his ego won’t make him put the name Trump on it in some form) - and that it will bear no resemblance to either an American democracy or republic?

magicarpet

(18,457 posts)
6. Our,... our,... our,.... done in collaboration,....
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:20 PM
Apr 2025

Is light years upon light years in distance from djt's ability to comprehend.

Me,... me,.. me,.... mine,... mine,... mine,... is all his mind can disgest.

FadedMullet

(693 posts)
11. I keep hearing that but I just, perhaps hopefully, don't agree. Trump and Trumpism is just such a complete aberration..
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:26 PM
Apr 2025

.......from the norm, that I think that, once he is gone, our friends will look for some corrections, but will want to go back to a system of relationships that (mostly) worked and (mostly) benefited everyone. Our country has done some dumb stuff, but we're not villains.

delisen

(7,212 posts)
17. Agree. But it will take all of us. Not just Congress.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:37 PM
Apr 2025

We need to make dramatic internal changes in our own governance

FadedMullet

(693 posts)
24. Could not agree more. Heck, I'm up for the state's doing a Constiutional Convention to bypass Congress and....
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:04 PM
Apr 2025

.......get rid of the Electoral College. This compact of several states to honor the popular vote is a good start too.

B.See

(7,751 posts)
20. "We're not villains..." but
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:51 PM
Apr 2025

unfortunately there are villains aplenty. Evil, TRUE evil is very real. And it is (THEY are) currently stabbing at the heart of Democracy.

FadedMullet

(693 posts)
27. You're right, of course. Trump has enabled America's "dark side" and the battle will continue once he is gone.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:09 PM
Apr 2025

I trust that our friends will stick by us long enough.

hadEnuf

(3,520 posts)
19. We need to concentrate on getting Trump out first.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
Apr 2025

At this point there is no promise that he will even go when it's time. He's had 2 months, only 46 more to go. What do we think the country will look like by then? Maybe the next POTUS will be Putin.

Anything is possible. Like armed Trump goons in the streets. We need to be ready to defend ourselves and have a plan to stop this somehow. Right now we are being slow boiled.



a kennedy

(35,285 posts)
25. I KNOW!!!!!!!
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:06 PM
Apr 2025

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 and those gawd damn Repubs with no GOLL damn spines!!!!! I despise them all!!!!

MichMan

(16,623 posts)
28. People are still blaming Reagan for all sorts of things
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:13 PM
Apr 2025

And he has been out of office 36 years

Timewas

(2,637 posts)
31. Take some doing
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:20 PM
Apr 2025

If the people get pissed enough and we can get a majority Dem congress.both houses, it will take some serious time to repair things. Probably never get back to what we were. The rest of the world will never trust us to the extent they did.

chowmama

(997 posts)
36. No, but they'll be blamed if they can't do all of it, and more, in only 3 years
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:28 PM
Apr 2025

While after the first 2 years, they'll be faced with a Congress dedicated to stopping them in their tracks. They'd be blocked from helping an old lady cross the street. If they defenestrated themselves, their corpse would be charged with felony littering, impeached and deported to El Salvador.

Of course, during the 4th year, they'll be running for office again while being blamed for being unable to perform miracles by illegal and unconstitutional executive orders, which wouldn't work anyway.

moonscape

(5,635 posts)
37. We'll have experienced a
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:33 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)

massive brain drain on top of everything else.

It will take decades if not generations …

Initech

(107,399 posts)
38. If we don't want another Trump - we need to acknowledge the damage propaganda is doing to this county.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:35 PM
Apr 2025

And groups like the Heritage Foundation. They've gone totally mad with power.

pat_k

(12,665 posts)
40. Yes. 45 could be seen as an aberration. But he was elected again. The U.S. "brand" might recover...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:49 PM
Apr 2025

in 50 years or so. But maybe not.

A coalition of Christian Nationalist, racist, women-hating, xenophobic, America isolationists, and brainwashed people manipulated by immoral and greedy billionaires elected a blatantly criminal psychopath, not just once, but twice.

Who would ever trust that it couldn't happen again?

Dem4life1970

(1,047 posts)
41. It seems like it but...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:36 PM
Apr 2025

So much of what he has done has been done through executive orders. Those can be reversed on day one of a new president's administration. They have not codified into law their 2025 craziness so it can be undone literally overnight.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
44. Yes but 4 years of resource starvation of science, universities, cultural infrastructure is gonna hurt
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:44 PM
Apr 2025

William769

(59,147 posts)
45. Whoever is elected the 48 President of the United States will have to be magnanimous
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:47 PM
Apr 2025

Someone like Jimmy Carter.

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