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True Dough

(25,849 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:54 PM Apr 2025

Scientists put a number on the years heavy drinking takes off your life

Researchers looked at the brain autopsies of 1,781 people with an average age of 75. After family members answered questions about the participants’ drinking habits, they divided them into four groups: people who never drank, moderate drinkers (fewer than seven per week), heavy drinkers, and former heavy drinkers.

Scientists looked at brain mass and signs of injury, including tau tangles, a buildup of a protein linked to Alzheimer’s disease, and vascular brain lesions, which are signs of damaged blood vessels that restrict blood flow and can impair memory and cognition over time.

Researchers also found heavy and former heavy drinkers had greater risk of developing the Alzheimer’s biomarker—41% and 31% higher odds, respectively.

When adjusting for other factors that may affect brain health—such as aging, smoking, and physical activity—researchers found that heavy drinkers had 133% higher odds of having vascular brain lesions compared to those who never drank. Former heavy drinkers had 89% higher odds and moderate drinkers had 60% higher.


https://fortune.com/well/article/alcohol-brain-health-lifespan/
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Scientists put a number on the years heavy drinking takes off your life (Original Post) True Dough Apr 2025 OP
moderate 7 a week? bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #1
That was my thought. callous taoboy Apr 2025 #4
Canadian health recommendations are now 2 drinks a week or less. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #21
Well...I'm fucked... FirstLight Apr 2025 #2
How about a more environmentally friendly end? Easterncedar Apr 2025 #3
true.... and I actually prefer the tree-option. FirstLight Apr 2025 #6
Yeah. I would prefer to feed birds to worms, but Easterncedar Apr 2025 #7
And you are korrect with your hyperbole! Easterncedar Apr 2025 #9
I noted in my H2O Man Apr 2025 #17
Ha! Easterncedar Apr 2025 #19
They should also investigate fatty diets Ritabert Apr 2025 #5
My guy died of PSP Easterncedar Apr 2025 #8
Sorry to hear about that. Sometimes you don't know what does it. Ritabert Apr 2025 #13
There's plenty of research out there PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2025 #10
My doctor said to "not eat fatty." Melon Apr 2025 #18
That alcohol shit will kill you. republianmushroom Apr 2025 #11
OTOH, my mom is 94 Maeve Apr 2025 #12
"When adjusting for other factors that may affect brain health..." GenThePerservering Apr 2025 #14
Your DNA is 50% while environmental BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #15
Yeah, like if you are in group A twice a week would be too much & in group B twice a day would be fine Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #22
Have to think that's very much an estimate AZJonnie Apr 2025 #27
It turns out to be 4 yrs less than you lose Johonny Apr 2025 #16
Most of these studies are useless as there is no direct causality established Meowmee Apr 2025 #20
Yeah, piss on those kind people using science to try to help you improve your health Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #23
Sorry you feel that way... putting you on ignore- have a nice day 😁 Meowmee Apr 2025 #24
Funny thing about Ignore, it makes whole large subthreads invisible regardless of who posts on it Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #25
Oh, the statins! A pharmacist called me and wondered if I'd ask my doctor about it. mucholderthandirt Apr 2025 #29
My BFF from college is experiencing crippling memory issues. no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #26
Same here bif Apr 2025 #30
I know! A completely differently person! no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #31
Hangovers, I remember reading one time, are callous taoboy Apr 2025 #28

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
2. Well...I'm fucked...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:07 PM
Apr 2025

I'm a former heavy drinker, and Dad had dementia (also a former heavy drinker)...so I guess I get to look forward to being as bad as he was. Then again, I'm sober earlier in life, and NO smoking/drinking at all now. AND I am still working and teaching and writinig so I think I am using my brain every day

Shit, I told my kids if I ever got a terminal diagnosis, I'd just rent a Mustang supercharger, get a gas can in the back seat, and Thelma& Louise into the Grand Canyon!

Easterncedar

(5,535 posts)
3. How about a more environmentally friendly end?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:16 PM
Apr 2025

A big oily soot smear on the canyon is no good legacy.

I am myself looking forward to a long walk into the winter woods.

Easterncedar

(5,535 posts)
7. Yeah. I would prefer to feed birds to worms, but
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:30 PM
Apr 2025

I have booked a shallow hole in a conservation trust burial ground.

H2O Man

(78,647 posts)
17. I noted in my
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:20 PM
Apr 2025

Last Will & Testicle that I want to be cremated, and my ashes spread on our icy driveway in the winter. I've already fallen on the ice and spent more hours laying there than I can remember. So my ashes will feel comfortable, I think,

I also plan to hold my calling hours while still alive. I practice my corpse position X3 per week. I want to hear what people are saying. Then pop up.

Ritabert

(1,999 posts)
5. They should also investigate fatty diets
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:27 PM
Apr 2025

Obese brain plaque syndrome leads to Alzheimers too.

Easterncedar

(5,535 posts)
8. My guy died of PSP
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:33 PM
Apr 2025

They think it’s tau tangles, but no single cause for those. Not a drinker, healthy outdoors active lifestyle and a pretty hideous few years of decline.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,459 posts)
10. There's plenty of research out there
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:36 PM
Apr 2025

along those lines.

Research like this looks at one thing at a time.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
18. My doctor said to "not eat fatty."
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:34 PM
Apr 2025

I said “ So I can’t eat food high in fats?”
He said “ No….don’t eat, Fatty.”

Maeve

(43,337 posts)
12. OTOH, my mom is 94
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:08 PM
Apr 2025

Took care, never drank, smoked, or ate heavily, moderately active until the pandemic....she had a heart attack @50 but is otherwise without major issues, no dementia...and no life.
She has few interests, no hobbies, isn't sick enough to die but isn't really living, either. I don't want to go like that. Slainte!

GenThePerservering

(3,146 posts)
14. "When adjusting for other factors that may affect brain health..."
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:55 PM
Apr 2025

You're gonna die of something. I'd rather enjoy life.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
22. Yeah, like if you are in group A twice a week would be too much & in group B twice a day would be fine
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 02:32 AM
Apr 2025

You make a good point. More studies would be helpful.

Plus there are probably more factors they could adjust for, like daily mental agility activity (be it job or recreation), social connectedness.

If a person derives pleasure from 5 drinks a week it might be healthier than someone who gets morose from 3 drinks a week.

AZJonnie

(2,839 posts)
27. Have to think that's very much an estimate
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 04:07 AM
Apr 2025

Pretty sure a bullet to the noggin will make it 100% environmental, or something like Huntington's when your mother also passed from it is 100% genetic. Just sayin

Johonny

(25,493 posts)
16. It turns out to be 4 yrs less than you lose
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:13 PM
Apr 2025

Electing a convicted felon president, so drink heavily.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
20. Most of these studies are useless as there is no direct causality established
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:52 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Sun Apr 13, 2025, 02:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Also they have changed the standards now for what is considered moderate and heavy drinking etc. - I think more than 3 drinks a week is considered moderate... that is what I found when I looked it up.

Some doc's offices now interrogate you about this, the nurses on a physical do it. Next time I will tell them to myob etc. I'm so sick of these idiots. I rarely drink, maybe a glass of wine or champaign a few times a year. Sometimes it might be more often for me near holidays so I told them I don't fit into your categories etc.

Now, if women drink 8 drinks per week it is considered heavy drinking, which is crazy to me.

Kind of like when they changed all the cholesterol standards so they could try to force everyone onto statins.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
23. Yeah, piss on those kind people using science to try to help you improve your health
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 02:40 AM
Apr 2025

Granted, there is way too much drug prescription writing in the US, and that probably is part of lower life expectancy despite paying twice as much per capita than healthier longer lived nations.

But you might benefit seeing someone re your conspiracy theory about "changing the standards" to "force" everyone on to some medication.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
25. Funny thing about Ignore, it makes whole large subthreads invisible regardless of who posts on it
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 02:43 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:16 AM - Edit history (2)


lol, as if I'm the person who was expressing the problem lol

I have zero people on my ignore list and it's been that way for over a decade, I think. (editing was delayed because I was testing the operation)

But enjoy.

mucholderthandirt

(1,753 posts)
29. Oh, the statins! A pharmacist called me and wondered if I'd ask my doctor about it.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:31 AM
Apr 2025

Thought I should really be on them, for reals. I told him my doctor didn't agree, so I wasn't going to get more pills I don't need. Why the hell is this pharmacist privy to my medical results anyway? I didn't agree to that.

It's bad enough I'm having to shoot myself up with insulin every night now. And on four pills. I'm going to be working to get rid of that stuff, too, whether they like it or not. Already lost fifteen pounds in a month, just from getting back to low carb.

no_hypocrisy

(54,307 posts)
26. My BFF from college is experiencing crippling memory issues.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:18 AM
Apr 2025

It started at age 64.

Combination of abuse of prescribed medication for sleep coupled with heavy wine-drinking for years. She can remember some past personal history, not so much recent events. She knows her family and me.

It's disconcerting for us as she has a different personality along with the memory issues. She seems to be searching for words. And she's easily irritated.

bif

(26,674 posts)
30. Same here
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:30 AM
Apr 2025

One of my best friends from high school has terrible short-term memory. I think it's mainly from 50 years of alcohol and drug abuse. It's really sad to witness.

callous taoboy

(4,766 posts)
28. Hangovers, I remember reading one time, are
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 04:40 AM
Apr 2025

very similar to what it feels like when one is dying. I am 60 and I’ve kept it pretty chill over the years with alcohol because I cannot stand hangovers. I rarely drink now.

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