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Miles Archer

(21,783 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:46 PM Apr 2025

Explain to me why there aren't hundreds of lawsuits in the queue with Musk's name on them.

DOGE Goons Physically Drag Social Security Worker From Desk

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doge-goons-physically-drag-social-security-worker-from-desk/

A senior executive at the Social Security Administration was physically dragged from his office this week after clashing with the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), according to The Washington Post.

Greg Pearre, a career civil servant who led an IT team working on the agency’s data systems, was removed over his opposition to a DOGE plan to cut off immigrants from key financial services, three people told the Post.

The scheme cooked up by Elon Musk’s DOGE squad falsely lists thousands of migrants as dead in a Social Security database known as the “death master file.”

Being entered into the death database cuts a person off from crucial financial services, like the ability to receive government benefits and access a bank account or credit card. The goal was to push migrants who were granted a temporary legal status under former President Joe Biden to “self deport.”
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Explain to me why there aren't hundreds of lawsuits in the queue with Musk's name on them. (Original Post) Miles Archer Apr 2025 OP
Kick dalton99a Apr 2025 #1
Because he's largely immune FBaggins Apr 2025 #2
But is he? Metaphorical Apr 2025 #5
When did he become a government employee? DODGE is not an official gov. agency Autumn Apr 2025 #6
On inauguration day FBaggins Apr 2025 #7
Excellent question. dchill Apr 2025 #3
There are at least fifty lawsuits naming Musk as a defendant. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #4

FBaggins

(28,629 posts)
2. Because he's largely immune
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:51 PM
Apr 2025

You generally can’t sue government employees for their actions on the job

Metaphorical

(2,596 posts)
5. But is he?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:04 PM
Apr 2025

He isn't a civil servant. He has neither budgetary nor hiring authority from Congress. He receives no salary. He was not vetted or approved by the Senate. As near as I can tell, he has no real standing as a government agent.

Basically, I think the reason you haven't heard about lawsuits yet is because they have not advanced far enough into the pipeline to be visible. The biggest question right now is just a question of standing. Right now, the lawsuits that you're hearing about were the earliest ones, and they didn't have a sufficient period of time to show that the plaintiffs were materially harmed by Musk's actions. That's beginning to shift, and I notice that Musk has been conspicuously more quiet in the last few weeks.

FBaggins

(28,629 posts)
7. On inauguration day
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:17 PM
Apr 2025

We may not like the specific example, but presidents do have the power to create parts of the executive branch by executive order.

DOGE is technically just a renaming and reorganizing of the "United States Digital Service" (which itself was created by executive order by President Obama).

Ocelot II

(129,083 posts)
4. There are at least fifty lawsuits naming Musk as a defendant.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:02 PM
Apr 2025

There are some procedural rules governing who can be a named defendant in a claim against the government. When you sue a government agency for non-monetary relief, for example to compel an official to interpret a statute in a particular way or an action for an injunction, you would name the head of the agency as the defendant. However, DOGE isn't a real government agency and he isn't even the appointed head of whatever it is. Nevertheless, he's named as a defendant, along with DOGE and others in 50 cases so far. https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/ Whether he can be sued personally if acting in an official capacity is a different question. Normally the government assumes responsibility for an official acting on its behalf.

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