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PA Democrat

(13,417 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:25 AM Apr 2025

'It's already in the cards': Trump impeachment urged by WSJ editorial board member

In a column published late Friday, a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board claimed it would be "desirable" to subject Donald Trump to a third impeachment to make up for the damage he has done to the U.S. economy with his "ill-founded" trade war.

According to longtime columnist Holman W. Jenkins Jr., Trump's on-again, off-again tariff threats almost makes it appear he wants to be impeached, with Jenkins writing, "A future Trump impeachment seemed all but guaranteed by last Wednesday morning. It seems only slightly less likely now. It may even be desirable to restore America’s standing with creditors and trade partners."



"No consensus or even significant coalition exists for trying to force into existence a new American 'golden age' with tariffs, which anyway is like asking a chicken to give birth to a lioness. He invented this mission out of his own confused intuition," he accused.

"Nobody in Mr. Trump’s orbit actually shares his belief in the magical efficacy of tariffs because it makes sense only in a world that doesn’t exist, where other countries don’t retaliate," he pointed out before concluding, "The founders never anticipated today’s instantly responsive trillion-dollar financial markets. And yet these markets neatly adumbrate the founders’ scheme of checks and balances, also known as feedback. Mr. Trump, still sane enough to appreciate what’s good for Mr. Trump, listened this week to their feedback."


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'It's already in the cards': Trump impeachment urged by WSJ editorial board member (Original Post) PA Democrat Apr 2025 OP
I learned a new word today: "adumbrate". Wingus Dingus Apr 2025 #1
Short for "Corporate McPravda failed to show traitor Trump is a dumb ingrate." Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #4
I read A DUMB BRAT! cornball 24 Apr 2025 #16
I read A DUMB RAT speak easy Apr 2025 #19
I looked the word up, but I prefer your definition. LOL!, thanks. nt ShazamIam Apr 2025 #45
Me, too! Very cool word! DU is exquisitely educational! wordstroken Apr 2025 #58
I had to look that one up too. Amaryllis Apr 2025 #80
Trump and Project 2025 are too disruptive to law, business, trade, civil society. bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #2
..not to mention my sanity...... AZ8theist Apr 2025 #22
Seriously!!! I feel I have aged years in these past few months. n/t yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #53
I believe several billion would concur. It is global. GreenWave Apr 2025 #79
Really orangecrush Apr 2025 #43
Project 2025 bdamomma Apr 2025 #49
And many of us read... or at least skimmed it enough slightlv Apr 2025 #75
And yet they loudly and willingly set Trump/Musk up. ananda Apr 2025 #57
Financial incompetence isn't an impeachable offense. Frasier Balzov Apr 2025 #3
A blow job wasn't/isn't a high crime and misdemeanor. Yet the republicans jrthin Apr 2025 #5
What is impeachable is using fslsehoods/lies to enact an Emergency Order resulting in tariffs c-rational Apr 2025 #8
This is impeachable. It could be considered treasonous jrthin Apr 2025 #9
The House had the opportunity to renounce the emergency. Frasier Balzov Apr 2025 #14
Agree. But, as we've seen before, he will never be convicted, so why bother? wnylib Apr 2025 #52
Would think the way deportations are being carried out could be allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #68
I would agreee...denying an individual of their due process. In this case I was sticking wiith the c-rational Apr 2025 #69
Also done to facilitate insider trading which is a crime Meowmee Apr 2025 #76
He's supposed to faithfully execute the laws of the land unblock Apr 2025 #21
The only bdamomma Apr 2025 #50
Insider trading is.... AZ8theist Apr 2025 #24
You can impeach for any reason really. Buckeyeblue Apr 2025 #27
High crimes & Misdemeanors can mean anything William769 Apr 2025 #36
He and Musk have also broken many laws. I would think those represent high crimes snd misdemeanors. Lonestarblue Apr 2025 #42
"But Frasier Balzov says financial incompetence isn't an impeachable offense --- and Frasier Balzov struggle4progress Apr 2025 #56
Right. Republicans in Congress could end this madness very quickly Buckeyeblue Apr 2025 #6
All they have to do is honor their oath of office BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #11
But who among them will be the first? (It IS a big ask.) dchill Apr 2025 #37
The one who wants to be the next leader of the Republican party BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #47
That would take courage and initiative. I'm dubious. dchill Apr 2025 #59
I agree and it may not happen BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #60
Recursion to "who among them will be the first?" dchill Apr 2025 #62
I'm 70 and almost optimistic BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #63
LOL.....repukes and "HONOR" Skittles Apr 2025 #72
This is all on Republicans in Congress. sop Apr 2025 #12
Every time congress goes along with the menace they own all of what he does. lindysalsagal Apr 2025 #29
"Not Trump" seems extremely desirable, but Vance also Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2025 #71
And it will be third time malaise Apr 2025 #7
the number of flow et tu Apr 2025 #18
All we can do is dream, hope and pray the repukes realize that the orange Hitler is a madman and will kimbutgar Apr 2025 #10
They and their wealthy donors will wait until the billionaires mwmisses4289 Apr 2025 #31
Great! JD will become president. What an improvement that will be! Arggghhh! Wonder Why Apr 2025 #13
That's why this is called "In the cards". This was part of the script. Replace tfp with JD Vance erronis Apr 2025 #20
Then comes Moses Mike Traildogbob Apr 2025 #38
Another distracting circus that will come to naught. jalan48 Apr 2025 #15
Just think how terrible it would have to get for Republicans to actually impeach and convict Trump gulliver Apr 2025 #17
human lifespan- if he lives to 100 et tu Apr 2025 #28
This orangecrush Apr 2025 #44
There's nothing Trump could do that would result in his impeachment and removal from office. patphil Apr 2025 #23
Imagining all the monuments that will be built or renamed in honor of that martyr is nauseating. 🤢 Dave Bowman Apr 2025 #35
Oh yes there is, Gordcanuck Apr 2025 #81
'Adumbrate' ToxMarz Apr 2025 #25
Mine, too. I rarely learn such an elegant new word. My last one was "latifundia" or "latifundista". SharonAnn Apr 2025 #40
Abuse of Power crazylikafox Apr 2025 #26
impeachment without conviction is bullshit and only makes him stronger harumph Apr 2025 #30
Doesn't the WSJ understand the Art of the Deal? Fil1957 Apr 2025 #32
It may be "in the cards" but nothing will come of it sakabatou Apr 2025 #33
We have to get rid of him, one way or another. Impeachment and conviction would be ideal. Jim__ Apr 2025 #34
This is the back story to Trump's Tariff obsession (hope you are sitting down) Dem4life1970 Apr 2025 #39
Go! UTUSN Apr 2025 #41
Nobody should talk about impeaching Trump Aristus Apr 2025 #46
I agree. Waste of time Raven123 Apr 2025 #51
Well well well Ollie Garkie Apr 2025 #48
His intentions were printed and repeated endlessly. usonian Apr 2025 #54
We would be better of recalling congressional Republicans that are vulnerable. 33taw Apr 2025 #55
Yet Murdoch's other paper, the dailymail, still pumps up trump Demovictory9 Apr 2025 #61
The DM is a BM. Boomerproud Apr 2025 #67
Removal would be a more necessary action. Clouds Passing Apr 2025 #64
Oops! He messed with the donor class too soon Ruby the Liberal Apr 2025 #65
"invented this mission out of his own confused intuition" Beartracks Apr 2025 #66
I said before the election that Vance is scarier. He's sober live love laugh Apr 2025 #70
Trump is the least of it, as horrid as he is. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #73
Whatever works, just get rid of him asap Meowmee Apr 2025 #74
All I can say is: sandyd921 Apr 2025 #77
Yeah right. Like that will ever happen. C Moon Apr 2025 #78
There will be no impeachment before the midterms unless the GOP fears losing the senate Fiendish Thingy Apr 2025 #82

Kid Berwyn

(22,889 posts)
4. Short for "Corporate McPravda failed to show traitor Trump is a dumb ingrate."
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:33 AM
Apr 2025

No foreshadowing allowed.

bucolic_frolic

(54,000 posts)
2. Trump and Project 2025 are too disruptive to law, business, trade, civil society.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:30 AM
Apr 2025

Who could have guessed?

bdamomma

(69,164 posts)
49. Project 2025
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:39 PM
Apr 2025

was out there for all to read, we were warned too by numerous past and present politicians.

slightlv

(7,438 posts)
75. And many of us read... or at least skimmed it enough
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:08 AM
Apr 2025

to know what evil it would unleash. We worked like hell to make sure it didn't happen... which is one of the reasons why I don't trust the numbers, the people behind the numbers, and the people digitizing those numbers. Not when one pumped billions into the race and had an entire network of satellites with which to do whatever evil was demanded to attain this result. I feel as opposed to this "win" as I was when the SCOTUS appointed our president back in 2000. And that one was pretty cut and dried when the ending was allowed to be attained.

Frasier Balzov

(4,854 posts)
3. Financial incompetence isn't an impeachable offense.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:31 AM
Apr 2025

Though I can understand why WSJ views it that way.

jrthin

(5,215 posts)
5. A blow job wasn't/isn't a high crime and misdemeanor. Yet the republicans
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:35 AM
Apr 2025

managed to push through impeachment. In this climate, if the political wind is behind it, you could impeach a president for sneezing.

c-rational

(3,131 posts)
8. What is impeachable is using fslsehoods/lies to enact an Emergency Order resulting in tariffs
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:45 AM
Apr 2025

which have seriously hurt this coutry financially...like a loss of 6.4 trillion.

jrthin

(5,215 posts)
9. This is impeachable. It could be considered treasonous
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:49 AM
Apr 2025

because he's undermining and destabilizing the US.

Frasier Balzov

(4,854 posts)
14. The House had the opportunity to renounce the emergency.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:57 AM
Apr 2025

And by declining to do so, the majority chose to cede the tariff power to Trump.

Impeaching him for something they are complicit in can't be a serious call for action by this WSJ contributor.

But these days I'll welcome dissent from any so-called conservative media.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
52. Agree. But, as we've seen before, he will never be convicted, so why bother?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:10 PM
Apr 2025

There are other places where we could put our energy and efforts more productively, like supporting organizations and individuals who are challenging presidential orders, ICE, etc. in the courts. At least we get some wins there occasionally.

allegorical oracle

(6,165 posts)
68. Would think the way deportations are being carried out could be
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 04:54 PM
Apr 2025

impeachable. Can't just snatch people off the street and fly them to another country and lock them up in a horrible prison. That's Russia's specialty.

It's sadly a moot point as long as we lack majorities in the House and Senate.

c-rational

(3,131 posts)
69. I would agreee...denying an individual of their due process. In this case I was sticking wiith the
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:10 PM
Apr 2025

financial aspect per the OP.

unblock

(55,903 posts)
21. He's supposed to faithfully execute the laws of the land
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:05 PM
Apr 2025

He's abusing the law that gives him the tariff powers he's exercising only in an emergency. He lied and declared an emergency that doesn't exist to activate those powers.

That's certainly an impeachable offense, if congress cared to act on it (I'm not holding my breath.)

Oh, and of course, he's violating trade treaties as well. Supreme law of the land. Also impeachable, though again, congress doesn't care.

William769

(59,147 posts)
36. High crimes & Misdemeanors can mean anything
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:43 PM
Apr 2025

Bringing this Country to it's knees, I'd say. fits the bill.

Lonestarblue

(13,221 posts)
42. He and Musk have also broken many laws. I would think those represent high crimes snd misdemeanors.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:17 PM
Apr 2025

Stock manipulation is a crime, as is deporting people here legally to torture facilities.

struggle4progress

(125,327 posts)
56. "But Frasier Balzov says financial incompetence isn't an impeachable offense --- and Frasier Balzov
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:19 PM
Apr 2025

is an honourable man"

Buckeyeblue

(6,190 posts)
6. Right. Republicans in Congress could end this madness very quickly
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:36 AM
Apr 2025

But they won't. Therefore they are complicit. We need to remind everyone of that.

We'd get JD but I don't see him doing a whole lot. I mean his policies would suck. But he wouldn't be Trump.

BOSSHOG

(44,730 posts)
60. I agree and it may not happen
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:05 PM
Apr 2025

But many 18 year olds volunteered to join the Army, ended up storming Omaha Beach got injured or killed. That takes courage. Thinking enough Is enough, choosing to do the right thing and standing up to a bully and being a republican(s) is the courageous thing we need now.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
62. Recursion to "who among them will be the first?"
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:39 PM
Apr 2025

I wish I could have more faith in my fellow humans. But I am old enough to know better.

BOSSHOG

(44,730 posts)
63. I'm 70 and almost optimistic
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:43 PM
Apr 2025

One or many will come to the conclusion that change is a must. For them.

sop

(17,400 posts)
12. This is all on Republicans in Congress.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:56 AM
Apr 2025

Everyone knows Trump hasn't the foggiest notion of what he's doing, yet they continue allowing this maniac to run amok.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)
71. "Not Trump" seems extremely desirable, but Vance also
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:18 PM
Apr 2025

has the demeanor of a petty tyrant. All the worst people in the country have coalesced around Pissolini.

et tu

(2,387 posts)
18. the number of flow
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:03 PM
Apr 2025

karma- we can also thank murdoch for
all his 'help' in getting krasnov elected
brainwashing, gaslighting, and soooo many lies

kimbutgar

(26,792 posts)
10. All we can do is dream, hope and pray the repukes realize that the orange Hitler is a madman and will
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:51 AM
Apr 2025

destroy the country they say they love so much !

mwmisses4289

(3,207 posts)
31. They and their wealthy donors will wait until the billionaires
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:18 PM
Apr 2025

portfolios start dropping into the millions before they will even begin to talk about doing something.

erronis

(22,638 posts)
20. That's why this is called "In the cards". This was part of the script. Replace tfp with JD Vance
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:04 PM
Apr 2025

after tfp had done the bull-in-the-china-shop damage. Vance will carry on with thiel's vision.

Traildogbob

(12,561 posts)
38. Then comes Moses Mike
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:51 PM
Apr 2025

As VP, lose Vance, then comes Moses Mike as Pres with Jesus as VP. Don’t get excited, it will be white supremacy Jesus, no brown one that does not speak English. Oh hell no. MTG as house leader.
Maybe real Jesus will come out of the cave next week, and let all his rage out on fake Christian’s.
With a bunny and eggs to feed the masses. Plus a loaf of bread. Whole wheat brown. MAGA will never eat brown bread. Gotta be as white as press room Barbie. Turn all my water to wine, hopefully a great Pino Noir.
Megan Kelly will stroke at brown Jesus. What the hell. Bring out a Black Santa to celebrate the mascot of the birth of brown Jesus.
The greatest Easter EVER!!!!! I mean, as long as we are dreaming, why not go all in?
Impeachment will need to cover all traitors and Putin worshippers. Drain the fucking swamp.

gulliver

(13,713 posts)
17. Just think how terrible it would have to get for Republicans to actually impeach and convict Trump
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:01 PM
Apr 2025

The Dow could lose all value, and we could all be crawling around searching for scraps of rotting food in radioactive rubble. And Republicans would still say he's a genius and we just need to give him time.

et tu

(2,387 posts)
28. human lifespan- if he lives to 100
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:10 PM
Apr 2025

that is still 20+ years,
lo what he has done in just 90 days
seriously congress people and the supremes-
wake up and save our country!!!

patphil

(8,721 posts)
23. There's nothing Trump could do that would result in his impeachment and removal from office.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:07 PM
Apr 2025

A simple majority to impeach him in the House is possible, albeit unlikely. But, a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict him is downright impossible.
There's a far better chance that, once his purpose of transforming the US into a fascist dictatorship is accomplished, he'll get martyred by the 2025 crew.
A dead martyr is more useful than a live, uncontrollable, megalomaniac.

Dave Bowman

(6,618 posts)
35. Imagining all the monuments that will be built or renamed in honor of that martyr is nauseating. 🤢
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:34 PM
Apr 2025

Gordcanuck

(150 posts)
81. Oh yes there is,
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:35 AM
Apr 2025

watch how he is drummed out in disgrace when the creditors holding the cards ($24 trillion worth of bonds) play their hand and your country’s borrowing power evaporates. Debtor nations would sooner have roubles, yuan, or zloty etc.
Impeachment is not required, martyrdom is for saints, not sinners.

SharonAnn

(14,141 posts)
40. Mine, too. I rarely learn such an elegant new word. My last one was "latifundia" or "latifundista".
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
Apr 2025

Jim__

(15,064 posts)
34. We have to get rid of him, one way or another. Impeachment and conviction would be ideal.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:27 PM
Apr 2025

UTUSN

(76,856 posts)
41. Go!
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:05 PM
Apr 2025

So first the House has to be won. Say the Senate is, too, and actually convicts. Long row to hoe. If only.




Aristus

(71,634 posts)
46. Nobody should talk about impeaching Trump
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:28 PM
Apr 2025

unless they include a comprehensive plan to secure a conviction afterwards. Otherwise, this whole thing is just dinner theater.

He's been impeached twice already, and yet, here we are.

Ollie Garkie

(332 posts)
48. Well well well
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:35 PM
Apr 2025

A repuke president has just one job...to not piss off Wall Street too much, and he couldn't even do that.

usonian

(23,513 posts)
54. His intentions were printed and repeated endlessly.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:13 PM
Apr 2025

He was just joking? Right.

Damn fools.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,599 posts)
65. Oops! He messed with the donor class too soon
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 04:21 PM
Apr 2025

Guess he figured they'd all buy the dip so that he could continue to destroy the economy for the rest of us without any chatter.

Beartracks

(14,344 posts)
66. "invented this mission out of his own confused intuition"
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 04:23 PM
Apr 2025

That broadly also describes much of what passes for rightwing Republican policies and priorities at both the state and federal levels.

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live love laugh

(16,186 posts)
70. I said before the election that Vance is scarier. He's sober
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:23 PM
Apr 2025

and educated and he is just as vile.

A 40-something puppet with presidential immunity is not a good thing.

valleyrogue

(2,567 posts)
73. Trump is the least of it, as horrid as he is.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:33 PM
Apr 2025

He simply made the aims of the clinically insane P25 crowd visible for all the world to see.

He gets forced out through impeachment, death, or resignation, the rot will still be there. Mike Johnson, an outright Christian reconstructionist fanatic of the Rushdoony type, himself is completely repellent. There are too any others just like him in the GOP. They are, in fact, the debased base of the party.

In other words, the worst of it isn't just the billionaire "libertarian" (read fascist) backers like Eloon and Thiel but the religious right nutjobs who want to destroy the entire country because of the completely false belief, whether its leaders actually subscribe to it or not, that bringing about a theocratic government on Earth will help facilitate Christ's second coming. It is a complete misreading of the Bible, but millions of people actually believe in the bullshit promise we need to return to "simpler times" when men were men and women (and minorities) knew their "place."

sandyd921

(1,570 posts)
77. All I can say is:
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:33 AM
Apr 2025

The sooner the better. Let’s get it over with so we can get back to some productivity and doing good for the people of our nation.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,999 posts)
82. There will be no impeachment before the midterms unless the GOP fears losing the senate
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:36 AM
Apr 2025

Currently, the GOP is favored to retain control of the senate, with only 2-3 seats being viewed a competitive for Dem pickups.

However, if Trump’s continued erratic and impulsive orders on tariffs damages the economy badly enough to the point where the suffering is so severe and widespread that there is a real chance republicans could lose the senate (Dems regaining the house is a foregone conclusion), then you might start to see some significant movement towards impeachment or 25th amendment.

I’m not holding my breath.

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