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speak easy

(12,595 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 05:06 PM Apr 2025

Should Mahmoud Khalil be deported? No. but.

Last edited Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Was Mahmoud Khalil an organizer, negotiator and spokesman for CUAD, an anti-Semitic student group at Columbia University? Yes. Certainly.

You have to go pretty far to convince me that an organization like CUAD, is anti-Semitic. Opposing Israel’s existence as a state is not sufficient proof for me, personally. But celebrating the October 7 murders as the Hamas Leaders ‘crowning achievement’ leaves no room for doubt.

CUAD REMAINS COMMITTED TO OUR DEMANDS | A TRIBUTE TO SINWAR [Leader of Hamas]

Yahya Sinwar later became the architect of two of the greatest moments of Palestinian resistance in the past decade: 2018's Great March of Return and last year's Operation Al-Aqsa Flood. He understood, maybe better than anyone else, that there was a time and a necessity for all forms of resistance. The Great March of Return was, for him, a message to those resisting in "the free and civilised world"; it was an instructional display of mass action and protest that we continue to make use of here in the imperial core. Al-Aqsa Flood, conversely, was an acknowledgement of the limitations of the 'peaceful' methods on display in the Great March. That "the Zionist war machine continued to target our sons and daughters with occupation army snipers" — that the violently imposed facts of Palestinian life remained, so intractably, in place — meant that the intifada would need to escalate into resistance by any means necessary. Sinwar's crowning achievement, Al-Aqsa Flood was the very essence of what it is to resist with "with what we have".

ttps://cuapartheiddivest.substack.com/p/cuad-remains-committed-to-our-demands

If the terrorism, rape and murders of October 7 is the ‘very essence of resistance’, it is not a cause I would want an association with. 'By any means necessary?' Not in my book.
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Should Mahmoud Khalil be deported? No. but. (Original Post) speak easy Apr 2025 OP
'Pawns': Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #1
"But" his speech is vile, you say. The point is, it's still protected. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #2
Yes, this is the inconvenient truth peggysue2 Apr 2025 #23
Is there any evidence to support the claim he was a leader in CUAD? AloeVera Apr 2025 #3
Mahmoud Khalil has never denied that. speak easy Apr 2025 #4
He has. AloeVera Apr 2025 #6
"[Mahmoud Khalil] took on a role as a negotiator representing CUAD" speak easy Apr 2025 #7
They have footage calling for violence against America Melon Apr 2025 #8
I do not say deport speak easy Apr 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Apr 2025 #10
He has "wrong" beliefs? It's exactly what Rubio said!! AloeVera Apr 2025 #11
"You believe the doxxing informant groups and Rubio." speak easy Apr 2025 #12
So, speech you don't like Bettie Apr 2025 #19
Evil minds believe they can deport those with Arab names and few will care or even notice. kentuck Apr 2025 #5
Remember when Asscrotch was rounding up people with Arabic names RazorbackExpat Apr 2025 #13
And we thought that repukes were weird back then: Dave Bowman Apr 2025 #26
If he was saying and writing disagreeable things, he should be allowed to stay. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #14
Try as they might, they couldn't charge him with an actual crime. AloeVera Apr 2025 #21
If he were a citizen, he should not be deported. gulliver Apr 2025 #15
"Anything that, for example ... blocks traffic" speak easy Apr 2025 #17
John Lewis expected he was going to get arrested (and was arrested many times) Arazi Apr 2025 #18
John Lewis was born in the US Polybius Apr 2025 #25
Grossly insulting to civil rights heroes for you to draw that equivalence! gulliver Apr 2025 #20
I was making the obvious point that a march is going to block traffic. speak easy Apr 2025 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author WorkingClassMan Apr 2025 #16
Typos and/or awkward machine translations that the edit did not correct. lapucelle Apr 2025 #24

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,824 posts)
1. 'Pawns': Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 05:14 PM
Apr 2025

The "judge" who issued this order is an immigration "judge" who was appointed by trump after trump purged all competent immigration judge. This judge is doing what he was ordered to do by trump and knows that if he rules against trump on this or any other issue, he will be removed.

This ruling will be appealed to a real judge who is not controlled by trump.

‘Pawns’: Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist https://twp.ai/4imR4c

#TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-04-11T21:41:23.000Z



https://www.rawstory.com/mahmoud-khalil-2671753774/

A federal immigration judge’s ruling on Friday that allowed the Trump administration to move forward with the deportation of former Columbia University student Mahmoud Khalil was roundly criticized by legal observers stunned by the decision.

The ruling greenlighting the deportation of the 30-year-old legal U.S. resident came at the end of a hearing in Louisiana as Immigration Judge Jamee E. Comans concluded that the government “established by clear and convincing evidence that he is removable,” according to The Associated Press.

But not all were swayed by the judge’s legal reading of the case, which marked the first in a string of arrests at universities nationwide of students living in the U.S. as permanent residents in an escalation of the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown......

“The fake judge (a DOJ Immigration Judge) ruled this, and he is only empowered to interpret immigration law, not the Constitution,” Cato Institute immigration expert David Bier wrote on X.

Civil rights attorney Scott Hechinger told his own X followers that it was “really critical to understand 2 things about the Mahmoud Khalil ruling.”

“1. Immigration judges are *not nominated & confirmed.* They are political appointees of the Executive. 2. Trump purged all immigration judges he didn’t like at the outset of his admin. They’re all pawns,” he said.

This ruling will be appealed

peggysue2

(12,381 posts)
23. Yes, this is the inconvenient truth
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:05 PM
Apr 2025

This isn't simply about Mahmoud Khalil--whether we like him or not, whether we agree or disagree with his political positions and/or approve of his affiliations.

His speech is protected. As is ours.

We deny him freedom of speech and due process, we deny our own rights which opens the door for any and all abuse.

Slippery slope, something Agent Orange and his Flying Money Brigade are more than happy to extend to anyone critical of their lawless actions.

AloeVera

(3,988 posts)
3. Is there any evidence to support the claim he was a leader in CUAD?
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 06:28 PM
Apr 2025

He denies it.

The only "evidence" I've seen are accusations by pro-Israel activists.

AloeVera

(3,988 posts)
6. He has.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:16 PM
Apr 2025
Mr Khalil's role in Columbia's 2024 protests placed him in the public eye. On the front lines of negotiations, he played a role in mediating between university officials and the activists and students who attended the protests.

Activists supporting Israel have accused Mr Khalil of being a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (Cuad), a student group that demanded, among other things, the university to divest from its financial ties to Israel and a ceasefire in Gaza.

Mr Khalil has denied that he led the group, telling the Associated Press (AP) that he only served as a spokesperson for protesters and as a mediator with the university.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj5nlxz44yo

So again - where is the evidence he was part of CUAD? Certainly the Trump Admin did not produce any evidence of any crime.

The only place I've seen the accusation was by "Canary Mission" - an abominable, doxxing pro-Israel group serving as informants on the students for the Trump Regime and its fake "battle" against anti-semitism.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
7. "[Mahmoud Khalil] took on a role as a negotiator representing CUAD"
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:05 AM
Apr 2025

Khalil was CUAD's spokesman and negotiator but not a leader?

I Was a Columbia Student Journalist. Here’s What to Know About Mahmoud Khalil.

Khalil was a lead negotiator representing the student protesters to the Columbia administration during the school’s “Gaza Solidarity Encampment” last spring. The student group behind the encampment — Columbia University Apartheid Divest, or CUAD — had two main demands: that Columbia cut all its ties to Israel, including divesting and halting plans to build a “global center” in Tel Aviv, and that the protesters themselves receive amnesty for their actions. During the whole political firestorm, Khalil and administrators, including at least two deans, were literally at the negotiating table day and night, though they never came to an agreement.

Khalil is Palestinian and was born and raised in Syria. At the time of protests in April 2024, he was in the U.S. on an F-1 student visa as a graduate student at Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs, according to Al Jazeera. He took on a role as a negotiator representing CUAD, which also made him relatively public compared with many of the other protesters who were conscious about obscuring their appearances. In May, he told Al Jazeera he was concerned that if he faced disciplinary action by the university, he could lose his student visa.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/13/columbia-student-journalist-mahmoud-khalil-00226729

Melon

(1,074 posts)
8. They have footage calling for violence against America
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:17 AM
Apr 2025

His organization is for the downfall of the West. I say deport.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
9. I do not say deport
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:28 AM
Apr 2025

unless an individual has committed an indictable criminal offense.

Response to Melon (Reply #8)

AloeVera

(3,988 posts)
11. He has "wrong" beliefs? It's exactly what Rubio said!!
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:03 AM
Apr 2025

You agree with him.

You do know what free speech is, right??!

And btw it has not been proven that he is a member of any organization. He certainly didn't say what you reference. But you do not take him at his word. You believe the doxxing informant groups and Rubio.

Wow.

Bettie

(19,260 posts)
19. So, speech you don't like
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:18 AM
Apr 2025

should result in deportation?

Does that go for US citizens as well? If they say things you don't like, out with them? Or it is only speech about Israel that you don't like.

Just curious how far this goes.

kentuck

(115,092 posts)
5. Evil minds believe they can deport those with Arab names and few will care or even notice.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 09:45 PM
Apr 2025

There are evil people that think that way in this world.

RazorbackExpat

(893 posts)
13. Remember when Asscrotch was rounding up people with Arabic names
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 11:33 AM
Apr 2025

during Dubya's Reign of Error?

Dave Bowman

(6,621 posts)
26. And we thought that repukes were weird back then:
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:54 PM
Apr 2025


It was nothing compared to the current madness.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,594 posts)
14. If he was saying and writing disagreeable things, he should be allowed to stay.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:08 PM
Apr 2025

If he was part of physical property destruction, or physically preventing Jewish students from attending classes, then "adios".

But, he deserves "due process"

gulliver

(13,713 posts)
15. If he were a citizen, he should not be deported.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:49 PM
Apr 2025

However, the whole citizenship process that culminates in citizenship is designed to weed out "weeds."

If Kahlil wasn't honest in the application process, my understanding is he loses his green card and can even be charged with the crime of perjury. So, if he gets due process and he wasn't honest in his application, I say throw him in jail for the perjury and then deport him after he serves his sentence.

This is separate from the charge by Rubio that Kahlil is an anti-Semite and harms U.S. foreign policy. I do think the SoS should be able to deport people who do that, and an immigration judge has currently ruled that. But let's see the due process play itself out.

Some Palestinian protests should, in my opinion, be protected as long as they are mere speech and signs, and as long as there is no incitement to crime or intimidation of the innocent. Anything that, for example, blocks students from getting to class, blocks traffic, creates undesired encampments on private property, etc., should result in the book being thrown at each and every perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

Also, with friends like the some of the charmless idiots I saw in these protests, the Palestinians don't need enemies. These protests hurt the Palestinian cause fairly clearly and hurt the Dems too. As speech it should be protected. Politically it was bad for Palestinians, bad for the Democratic Party (compounded by unforgiveable betrayal), and a boon to Trump, imo.



speak easy

(12,595 posts)
17. "Anything that, for example ... blocks traffic"
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 07:24 AM
Apr 2025

Like a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, for example (?)

Arazi

(8,689 posts)
18. John Lewis expected he was going to get arrested (and was arrested many times)
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:20 AM
Apr 2025

It was called “civil disobedience” for a reason.

Iirc, he and other civil rights leaders often carried personal items like a toothbrush to every march including the Selma to Montgomery march knowing they were illegally blocking roads and would be arrested.

https://www.history.com/articles/john-lewis-civil-rights-arrests

gulliver

(13,713 posts)
20. Grossly insulting to civil rights heroes for you to draw that equivalence!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:54 AM
Apr 2025

Your take is interesting as sophistry and mischief. But I'm essentially certain no Dem would make the equivalence you are making. It's the sort of position a Republican would falsely accuse Dems of holding in order to attack the Democratic Party and undermine the good things we stand for.

Of course, anyone who blocks traffic in violation of the law for any reason is subject to the law. That's the price of civil disobedience, and, hopefully, the people who pay that price are doing it for something good.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
22. I was making the obvious point that a march is going to block traffic.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:55 AM
Apr 2025

You expressed yourself so broadly: Anything that, for example ... blocks traffic ... should result in the book being thrown at each and every perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.

My cousin participated in anti-Vietnam war sit-ins that impeded students getting to class. It was trouble, but to this day I believe, mostly Good Trouble. Governor Reagan would have thrown the book being at each and every student if he had the chance.

I thought I had made myself clear enough in the OP. The CUAD protests were pro-HAMAS, pro-terrorism, while remaining dismissive of their war crimes: rapes, murders and taking hostages - they said so. It was not a peace protest. Their demand for an immediate, permanent ceasefire was to keep HAMAS in power in Gaza. It was an indictment of the Palestinian cause.

Nevertheless, as the Government conceded, Khalil has not been charged with any crime. On that basis, as a permanent resident, he should not be deported IMO.

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