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Was Mahmoud Khalil an organizer, negotiator and spokesman for CUAD, an anti-Semitic student group at Columbia University? Yes. Certainly.
You have to go pretty far to convince me that an organization like CUAD, is anti-Semitic. Opposing Israels existence as a state is not sufficient proof for me, personally. But celebrating the October 7 murders as the Hamas Leaders crowning achievement leaves no room for doubt.
CUAD REMAINS COMMITTED TO OUR DEMANDS | A TRIBUTE TO SINWAR [Leader of Hamas]
ttps://cuapartheiddivest.substack.com/p/cuad-remains-committed-to-our-demands
If the terrorism, rape and murders of October 7 is the very essence of resistance, it is not a cause I would want an association with. 'By any means necessary?' Not in my book.
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,824 posts)The "judge" who issued this order is an immigration "judge" who was appointed by trump after trump purged all competent immigration judge. This judge is doing what he was ordered to do by trump and knows that if he rules against trump on this or any other issue, he will be removed.
This ruling will be appealed to a real judge who is not controlled by trump.
âPawnsâ: Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist https://twp.ai/4imR4c
— #TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-04-11T21:41:23.000Z
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/mahmoud-khalil-2671753774/
The ruling greenlighting the deportation of the 30-year-old legal U.S. resident came at the end of a hearing in Louisiana as Immigration Judge Jamee E. Comans concluded that the government established by clear and convincing evidence that he is removable, according to The Associated Press.
But not all were swayed by the judges legal reading of the case, which marked the first in a string of arrests at universities nationwide of students living in the U.S. as permanent residents in an escalation of the Trump administrations immigration crackdown......
The fake judge (a DOJ Immigration Judge) ruled this, and he is only empowered to interpret immigration law, not the Constitution, Cato Institute immigration expert David Bier wrote on X.
Civil rights attorney Scott Hechinger told his own X followers that it was really critical to understand 2 things about the Mahmoud Khalil ruling.
1. Immigration judges are *not nominated & confirmed.* They are political appointees of the Executive. 2. Trump purged all immigration judges he didnt like at the outset of his admin. Theyre all pawns, he said.
This ruling will be appealed
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,259 posts)peggysue2
(12,381 posts)This isn't simply about Mahmoud Khalil--whether we like him or not, whether we agree or disagree with his political positions and/or approve of his affiliations.
His speech is protected. As is ours.
We deny him freedom of speech and due process, we deny our own rights which opens the door for any and all abuse.
Slippery slope, something Agent Orange and his Flying Money Brigade are more than happy to extend to anyone critical of their lawless actions.
AloeVera
(3,988 posts)He denies it.
The only "evidence" I've seen are accusations by pro-Israel activists.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)link?
AloeVera
(3,988 posts)Activists supporting Israel have accused Mr Khalil of being a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (Cuad), a student group that demanded, among other things, the university to divest from its financial ties to Israel and a ceasefire in Gaza.
Mr Khalil has denied that he led the group, telling the Associated Press (AP) that he only served as a spokesperson for protesters and as a mediator with the university.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj5nlxz44yo
So again - where is the evidence he was part of CUAD? Certainly the Trump Admin did not produce any evidence of any crime.
The only place I've seen the accusation was by "Canary Mission" - an abominable, doxxing pro-Israel group serving as informants on the students for the Trump Regime and its fake "battle" against anti-semitism.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)Khalil was CUAD's spokesman and negotiator but not a leader?
I Was a Columbia Student Journalist. Heres What to Know About Mahmoud Khalil.
Khalil is Palestinian and was born and raised in Syria. At the time of protests in April 2024, he was in the U.S. on an F-1 student visa as a graduate student at Columbias School of International and Public Affairs, according to Al Jazeera. He took on a role as a negotiator representing CUAD, which also made him relatively public compared with many of the other protesters who were conscious about obscuring their appearances. In May, he told Al Jazeera he was concerned that if he faced disciplinary action by the university, he could lose his student visa.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/13/columbia-student-journalist-mahmoud-khalil-00226729
Melon
(1,074 posts)His organization is for the downfall of the West. I say deport.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)unless an individual has committed an indictable criminal offense.
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AloeVera
(3,988 posts)You agree with him.
You do know what free speech is, right??!
And btw it has not been proven that he is a member of any organization. He certainly didn't say what you reference. But you do not take him at his word. You believe the doxxing informant groups and Rubio.
Wow.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)Fail.
Bettie
(19,260 posts)should result in deportation?
Does that go for US citizens as well? If they say things you don't like, out with them? Or it is only speech about Israel that you don't like.
Just curious how far this goes.
kentuck
(115,092 posts)There are evil people that think that way in this world.
RazorbackExpat
(893 posts)during Dubya's Reign of Error?
Dave Bowman
(6,621 posts)It was nothing compared to the current madness.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,594 posts)If he was part of physical property destruction, or physically preventing Jewish students from attending classes, then "adios".
But, he deserves "due process"
AloeVera
(3,988 posts)So you have your answer.
gulliver
(13,713 posts)However, the whole citizenship process that culminates in citizenship is designed to weed out "weeds."
If Kahlil wasn't honest in the application process, my understanding is he loses his green card and can even be charged with the crime of perjury. So, if he gets due process and he wasn't honest in his application, I say throw him in jail for the perjury and then deport him after he serves his sentence.
This is separate from the charge by Rubio that Kahlil is an anti-Semite and harms U.S. foreign policy. I do think the SoS should be able to deport people who do that, and an immigration judge has currently ruled that. But let's see the due process play itself out.
Some Palestinian protests should, in my opinion, be protected as long as they are mere speech and signs, and as long as there is no incitement to crime or intimidation of the innocent. Anything that, for example, blocks students from getting to class, blocks traffic, creates undesired encampments on private property, etc., should result in the book being thrown at each and every perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.
Also, with friends like the some of the charmless idiots I saw in these protests, the Palestinians don't need enemies. These protests hurt the Palestinian cause fairly clearly and hurt the Dems too. As speech it should be protected. Politically it was bad for Palestinians, bad for the Democratic Party (compounded by unforgiveable betrayal), and a boon to Trump, imo.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)Like a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, for example (?)
Arazi
(8,689 posts)It was called civil disobedience for a reason.
Iirc, he and other civil rights leaders often carried personal items like a toothbrush to every march including the Selma to Montgomery march knowing they were illegally blocking roads and would be arrested.
https://www.history.com/articles/john-lewis-civil-rights-arrests
Polybius
(21,505 posts)gulliver
(13,713 posts)Your take is interesting as sophistry and mischief. But I'm essentially certain no Dem would make the equivalence you are making. It's the sort of position a Republican would falsely accuse Dems of holding in order to attack the Democratic Party and undermine the good things we stand for.
Of course, anyone who blocks traffic in violation of the law for any reason is subject to the law. That's the price of civil disobedience, and, hopefully, the people who pay that price are doing it for something good.
speak easy
(12,595 posts)You expressed yourself so broadly: Anything that, for example ... blocks traffic ... should result in the book being thrown at each and every perpetrator to the fullest extent of the law.
My cousin participated in anti-Vietnam war sit-ins that impeded students getting to class. It was trouble, but to this day I believe, mostly Good Trouble. Governor Reagan would have thrown the book being at each and every student if he had the chance.
I thought I had made myself clear enough in the OP. The CUAD protests were pro-HAMAS, pro-terrorism, while remaining dismissive of their war crimes: rapes, murders and taking hostages - they said so. It was not a peace protest. Their demand for an immediate, permanent ceasefire was to keep HAMAS in power in Gaza. It was an indictment of the Palestinian cause.
Nevertheless, as the Government conceded, Khalil has not been charged with any crime. On that basis, as a permanent resident, he should not be deported IMO.
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lapucelle
(20,946 posts)Interesting...